Arnie let me down

[spaz1810]

This will probably open up a whole can of worms but I recently lost a lot of respect for Arnie. When given the option of reducing Stanley "Tookie" Williams' death sentence to life imprisonment he decided against it. While what Williams did was horrific, it still doesn't give another human the right to decide on his life.

Even if you argue an eye for an eye, the people murdered are not those who are getting revenge, rather an unrelated third party. The death penalty is not acting as a deterrant and I don't believe it is necessary. In an infamous case, imagine if Rubin "Hurricane" Carter had faced the death penalty for his alleged crimes; the law has its faults.

My point; it's really hard to see someone that you respect doing something that you believe to be morally incorrect.

EDIT: There have been some misunderstandings in my point - please see this reply - this wasn't meant specifically about the Tookie case

[mysticlem4a1]

me too man tookie was changed and u couldnt deny that, but arnold was pressured with the ideas of change, and if he did accept the clemency that would be 'different' and out of place and others would think that anyone can just get out of the death penalty, he prolly deep down wanted to allow tookie to keep writing and so on, but it wasnt worth his gov.

[BIsTRIs]

Cmon, are you serious, lets say if he did hurt or kill a memeber of your family, even though he changed, would you want him just to have life in death. So lets say a man is charged with killing and raping 10 12 year olds. He never was caught doing it, but he was convicted. And he is put on death row, and throughout the years he changes and becomes a different man. Your telling me you would want this man not to die. What was done was done. Arnold made his choice and thats it.

[Narsis]

who do you respect Tookie or Arnie?

The dude killed four people he got off light IMO. They should have killed that bastard the way he killed his victims. They 20 something years to prove he was the wrong guy and they didnt.

It would have been better if they would have made him suffer before the injection.

[NicktheRoofer]

He was already convicted and being sentenced to death back in 1979. Arnie only carried on what justice he had coming. Its wrong to lose respect for Arnie over that, especially when MOST agree w/ his decision. I definently stand behind Arnie. The people who hate Arnie just lack comman sense. Your young, youll understand someday.

[Couldbebigga]

We're not the only one's disappointed in Arnie. His own home country is as well.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/ar...676432847.html

[JoeyDaFool]

****ing **** eating liberals. arnold did his job and did it well. arnold brought billions of kids in bettering themselves into bbing, what has tookie done to society? exactly.

[kevind53]

Originally Posted by JoeyDaFool

****ing **** eating liberals

twg

[GonnaBeFamous]

Somebody call the WAAAMMMBULANCE!!!!

[Tiger Driver]

Originally Posted by JoeyDaFool

****ing **** eating liberals. arnold did his job and did it well. arnold brought billions of kids in bettering themselves into bbing, what has tookie done to society? exactly.

I'm liberal (well, moderate-liberal), and I support his decision. If he pardoned Tookie, what's to say he shouldn't pardon any other murderer for them supposedly changing? A murderer is a murderer. A sentence is a sentence.

[MartialArtist06]

C'mon MAN Tookie was a fellow lifter.

[exbunobooga]

people only care because situations like this are all over the media. Alot worse **** goes down that no one cares about. Why are we even talking about whether or not a multiple murderer should have been let free? and why are we blaming arny for carrying out what tookie was allready sentenced to?

[Cobra5.0Jeep]

Are you ****ing serious?! Arnie didn't put Tookie to death he did himself by killing 4 people and then bragging about it. **** Murders, i hope they all die.

Scott Peterson is next!

[firer0ck]

Tookie destroyed the victim's families and friends forever, he did not deserve to get the death sentence lifted. Why because he wrote some children books he shouldnt be responsible for his past actions. thats bull****. good for arnie. he ddi the right thing. put yourself in the victim's families position.

[Wheyhem.]

Originally Posted by JoeyDaFool

what has tookie done to society? exactly.

he was helping teens steer away from the gang life, which in the long run would stop afew murders

[Wheyhem.]

Originally Posted by ericlarocque

put yourself in the victim's families position.

the famlies of the people murderd didnt want him killed

[Jailguard]

Not a deterrant........I'd like to see Tookie murder another person now that he is dead. We always say after a convict dies.....another one rehabilitated!

[Cobra5.0Jeep]

Originally Posted by Meyhem

the famlies of the people murderd didnt want him killed

they all wanted him dead.

[BuildUpNow]

a person who kills FOUR innocent people, should die. He killed them for no reason and supposely 'changed' he didnt give them a chance, y should he get a chance?

[EAE]

You shouldn't blame Arnold for the fact that California allows capital punishment.

[affy]

im so sick of tookie threads. look, all the tookie supporters should be happy that arnold even agreed to review his case. the fact that he took more than a few days to even consider tookie's plea for clemency is outrageous. he was convicted more than two decades ago. arnold simply awarded justice that was due 25 freaking years ago. so please, if you think anything less of arnold for his decision you shouldn't have even admired him in the first place. you liberal minded people really need to get your heads out of your asses and look at the big picture. if he was simply put to death 20 years ago, this wouldn't have been as big.

god i hope california doesn't make the same mistake with peterson.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by NicktheRoofer

He was already convicted and being sentenced to death back in 1979. Arnie only carried on what justice he had coming. Its wrong to lose respect for Arnie over that, especially when MOST agree w/ his decision. I definently stand behind Arnie. The people who hate Arnie just lack comman sense. Your young, youll understand someday.

Absolutely agree! The Governor didn't sentence anybody to death. He simply stood by and allowed the will of the jury and legal system (and, by extension, the people of California) to be carried out.

Blame Mr. Williams for the consequences of HIS choices in life.

[Aviationfit]

Originally Posted by Couldbebigga

We're not the only one's disappointed in Arnie. His own home country is as well.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/ar...676432847.html

That is what got me even more respect for Arnie. He did what he had to do, what was right as decreed by the people and courts of his state. The people of California have elected Arnold to represent them and he did. As far as his own country, I believe that should let them know that he is an American now.

[BIsTRIs]

Originally Posted by Couldbebigga

We're not the only one's disappointed in Arnie. His own home country is as well.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/ar...676432847.html

Maybe they should name it tookie williams stadium in honor of the changed co founder of the crips. He started a gang that has caused many problems and murders. Next thing you know well be seeing Kanye West on t.v. saying "arnold doesn't care about black people, if he was white, he would have granted him clemency".

[Mr Beer]

I'm not particularly familiar with the US criminal system, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's a State Governor's job to pardon people just because he dislikes the death penalty on principle.

[MantisShrimp]

Morals aren't for murderers. Ask any soldier.

[spaz1810]

I never even looked at this from the point of view of him being a changed man, purely from an anti-capital punishment point of view. I'm aware that many people are on death row and that this is not the only case however being in Australia we are never exposed to the other decisions.

Mr Beer, I think you have a good way of looking at this. However I think it is their job to have the death penalty taken out of the decision based on principle.

I always saw Arnie in a different way based on his life story and this has changed that a bit.

See my rep power took a downward turn from this thread.

[warriors]

Originally Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep

Scott Peterson is next!

In about 30 years maybe...

[WIP]

he got what he deserved. don't fuk with justice. eye for an eye aside, anti-capital punishment makes no sense to me....just allows the person to draw taxpayer money to keep them alive in a confined area...waste of time, space, money, and oxygen. he sure didn't have a right to decide about the victims' lives....your argument seems hypocritical to me. btw, not flaming you, you have a right to think what you want, i just can't understand your point of view....but to each his own.

edit: oh and i have to say, i'm ashamed of the way our justice system is anyway. 2 decades to get to him, just like it takes for everyone else on death row. and i also have seen the reports of much worse seeming crimes committed and they only get prison time then probation and then are back in society to possibly repeat history. i'm all for 2nd chances, but not for murderers and a few other types.

[Zabuza]

meh, I don't understand why people get so asshurt about how many people he killed, the U.S is over in Iraq killing innocents everyday for no reason really. Doesn't bother me any lol, and no, if he raped little kids I really wouldn't care, it's not me. and the fact is, he didn't kill any of my family so I can't put myself in their position so once again, I don't care. but I am happy that Arnie is doing well to stay in his position.