MY analysis and opinions on some proprietary blends

[HYPEBEAST]

Serving Size: 2 Vegetarian Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

Lean Green™ (Green Tea [50% EGCG]) 300 MG
Caffeine USP 250 MG
Coleus Forskholii (20% Forskolin) 200 MG †
Cayenne Pepper (40,000 HU) 150MG
Naringin 95% 20MG
Evodiamine 98% 12.5MG

Per 60 Servings:
18g GTE = $1.8
15g Caffeine = $.5
12g Forslean = $6
9g Cayenne = $.9
1.2g Naringin
7.5g Evodiamine = $7.5
Total without Naringin = $9.2

Retails for $25

[NukeDukem]

Serving Size: 2 Vegetarian Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

Lean Green™ (Green Tea [50% EGCG]) 300 MG
Caffeine USP 250 MG
Coleus Forskholii (20% Forskolin) 200 MG †
Cayenne Pepper (40,000 HU) 150MG
Naringin 95% 20MG
Evodiamine 98% 12.5MG

Per 60 Servings:
18g GTE = $1.8
15g Caffeine = $.5
12g Forslean = $6
9g Cayenne = $.9
1.2g Naringin
7.5g Evodiamine = $7.5
Total without Naringin = $9.2

Retails for $25

Lets just say your data is correct for the hell of it, if the product costs them $9.20 in RAWs a retail price of $25 is a good deal. If you understood the world of "Grown-ups", you might know that profit is neccesary to run a business.

Why are we picking apart products by alleged ingredient prices to possibly label them as scam or good deal anyway? The results and value for price (and convenience) should be the only thing that matters for a company's integrity. A pizza place re-sells cheese, is that evil? The company that produces and distributes the mozzerella is making a profit and they provide it to the pizza company, who has to make a profit, who sells it to you for that much more. This is NOT some evil ****-the-customer scheme, it is just how our supply system works in our advanced economy.

[Joel]

Lets just say your data is correct for the hell of it, if the product costs them $9.20 in RAWs a retail price of $25 is a good deal. If you understood the world of "Grown-ups", you might know that profit is neccesary to run a business.

Why are we picking apart products by alleged ingredient prices to possibly label them as scam or good deal anyway? The results and value for price (and convenience) should be the only thing that matters for a company's integrity. A pizza place re-sells cheese, is that evil? The company that produces and distributes the mozzerella is making a profit and they provide it to the pizza company, who has to make a profit, who sells it to you for that much more. This is NOT some evil ****-the-customer scheme, it is just how our supply system works in our advanced economy.

So all Supplements/Products in USA are fairly priced ?

[Nathan1]

Lets just say your data is correct for the hell of it, if the product costs them $9.20 in RAWs a retail price of $25 is a good deal. If you understood the world of "Grown-ups", you might know that profit is neccesary to run a business.

Why are we picking apart products by alleged ingredient prices to possibly label them as scam or good deal anyway? The results and value for price (and convenience) should be the only thing that matters for a company's integrity. A pizza place re-sells cheese, is that evil? The company that produces and distributes the mozzerella is making a profit and they provide it to the pizza company, who has to make a profit, who sells it to you for that much more. This is NOT some evil ****-the-customer scheme, it is just how our supply system works in our advanced economy.

plus, assuming with your example the ingredients cost $9.20 for a product which ends up retailing for $25, there are other costs which one needs to factor in.

hint: i don't want to have to travel out of state just to have someone dump some powder in my lap.

[CHUCK DIESEL]

If its going to cost u $9.20 to make something that cost $25 retail, thats actully not "getting over on the consumer."

Unless its 1/4 the price to do it ur self, or you got these formulas with 2 ingredients that are $5 to mix urself but retailing for $50 u are not being had.

Getting over on someone is NO2.

[deserusan]

Getting over on someone is NO2.

Agreed.

[HYPEBEAST]

If a product costs US $10 to make, it probably costs over 25% cheaper(minumum) for the companies, plus they buy in large quantities, and we will never know the exact purity of their products, so when you are paying 4x or more for a supplemet, I dont really see how it works out for you.
Most of the stuff they put in is just to make sure we wont make it ourselves, like filler ingredients.

[HYPEBEAST]

825mg
250mg Undecylthioacetic Acid
175mg Green Tea Extract (60% EGCG)(leaf)
150mg Caffeine Anhydrous
125mg Coleus Forskohlii (20% Forskolin)(root)
75mg Bacopa Monniera (50% Bacosides A & B)(leaf)
50mg Tyramine (96%)(root)

I have confirmed that:
Caffeine is over 100mg and under 200mg. Cakedonkey told me, too lazy to quote. It was in a log.
Forskolin needs 50mg per day of active, according to write up.

So in each bottle we have:
8g TTA = $2.4
5.6g Green Tea Extract = $.56
5.4g Caffeine Anhydrous = $.17
4g Coleous Forskohlii 20% = $2
2.7g Bacopa = $.32
1.8g Tyramine = $1.5
Total Cost: $6.95 per bottle

To keep in mind: This bottle contains about 30 servings of Delta-5 Cortisol Blocker. Going by the original Blaze's pricing, it would cost about $12, but you have to keep in mind this counts profit, resell price, labeling, capping, bottles, so my guess is a bottle costs about $10-12 to make. It sells for $27-30 online.

Here is another example, though the supplement is okay
Also, if Sesamin is going for $18.50 on some sites, and the Camp+Sesamin combo, and they still make profit..

[Scivation]

Also, if Sesamin is going for $18.50 on some sites, and the Camp+Sesamin combo, and they still make profit..

Do you have any clue what it costs to put out a supplement? Quality control, distribution, etc?

Trust me, the up-front investment to make a supplement would make you gasp.

[Nathan1]

Do you have any clue what it costs to put out a supplement? Quality control, distribution, etc?

Trust me, the up-front investment to make a supplement would make you gasp.

AMEN!


Edit: ...or anything for that matter.

[myPecsRbigger]

bump

[dwm230000]

natural selection at its best !
"what i like to do is make what i call "hardcore superdrol casein shakes" you get a kg of casein and 90 tabs of superdrol, empty the superdrol into the casein and then sip this **** everynight, expect only hardcore gains!"

ROFL! I remember that thread

[boyscouT]

dwm, you the man.

werd, dwm u rock, thx for doing this.

[dwm230000]

werd, dwm u rock, thx for doing this.

Thank you. The first 10 pages or so went pretty well.

[RobW]

Here is another example, though the supplement is okay
Also, if Sesamin is going for $18.50 on some sites, and the Camp+Sesamin combo, and they still make profit..

HYPERBEAST:

If the raw materials for a product costs $7.00, what would you assume are the costs to manufacture (blend, cap, bottle)? what is the cost of the bottle, cap, labels, boxes, freight, advertising, overhead (salaries, computers, office/warehouse space etc)...What about the mark-up the retailer takes??? Take a guess...What exactly do you think is a "fair" profit?? If the raws are $7.00 what price "should" in your opinion a company sell the product to you for?

Robert

[RobW]

So all Supplements/Products in USA are fairly priced ?

Are ANY Products (not just supplements) in USA fairly priced???

What in your opinion is FAIR???

How much profit are we allowed to make in the supplement industry....

[Slated]

Looks like he's banned again... oh well.

Who needs Maxx when PA's new watermelon wpi is only $14

[Scivation]

Are ANY Products (not just supplements) in USA fairly priced???

What in your opinion is FAIR???

How much profit are we allowed to make in the supplement industry....

All I know is that I drive a Toyota Carolla. Something ain't right.

[RobW]

Looks like he's banned again... oh well.

Who needs Maxx when PA's new watermelon wpi is only $14

WOW, well if that is true, then I can assure everyone, he is NOT going to be making much profit and retiring on that price....

[NukeDukem]

Looks like he's banned again... oh well.

Who needs Maxx when PA's new watermelon wpi is only $14

lol dude wut a ripoff i can get watermellons at the store for 39 cents a pound you guys must be making hella profits!!!11

[xJonathanx]

All I know is that I drive a Toyota Carolla. Something ain't right.

Hey, theres nothin wrong with that!

<img src = "http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g286/JonnyP_photos/car.jpg">

[Slated]

lol dude wut a ripoff i can get watermellons at the store for 39 cents a pound you guys must be making hella profits!!!11

We took the seed out of ours though !!

[Scivation]

Hey, theres nothin wrong with that!

<img src = "http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g286/JonnyP_photos/car.jpg">

Mine is a 2003 model in silver. It's all about the sport package!

How the duece can you make a Carolla a Sport car?

[RobW]

All I know is that I drive a Toyota Carolla. Something ain't right.

Yep, and last time I looked the GAS companies were making RECORD Profits...

I don't see the CEO of Exxon on Pertrol.com explaing how much oil costs, and the margin from raw material to finished goods....

[xJonathanx]

Mine is a 2003 model in silver. It's all about the sport package!

How the duece can you make a Carolla a Sport car?

ROFL. I hear ya. My econo-4 cyclinder is a real beast. Check out 9thgencorolla.com ... The kids on there make them look real nice!!!

[xJonathanx]

[Slated]

Hey now! Don't rip on the smaller engines.

I have an Evolve S60t.

My swedish 5 puts out 275hp and 285 torque

There's nothing better than watching a Volvo punk a V8 Mustang

[Skigazzi]

There's nothing better than watching a Volvo punk a V8 Mustang

I have a V8 Mustang...oh god its so on now!!

[Slated]

I have a V8 Mustang...oh god its so on now!!

Dear redheaded stepchild,

The company of your fixer upper is requested at the second light on main street after the packerland drive intersection. It will be there that Nancyboy shall be handed his ass.

Yours truly,

Yo Daddy

[Skigazzi]

Dear redheaded stepchild,

The company of your fixer upper is requested at the second light on main street after the packerland drive intersection. It will be there that Nancyboy shall be handed his ass.

Yours truly,

Yo Daddy

Oh no you didnt.