I was doing back today and after warming up, I started my work sets. The first two are ligther than the last two. In the second set, at about thw 9th rep I felt a sharp, horrible pain my lower back. I couldn't continue working my back and had to finish off with biceps and calves. I could barely do biceps because my lower back hurt so much and still does, I can't even move that much!!! When I sit it hurts, when I get up it hurts, when I walk it hurts!
Any advice/similiar experience..help! This **** hurts!
Well I would say you injured it. To what degree depends. I have hurt my back in a similar way you described and it went a way after a couple days with rest. I have also had sciatica before and it lasted months with careful training. Rest and don't do anything stupid like test it out. Let it heal and if you don't see any improvements short term (few days) then have it looked at. No one here will really be able to properly tell you what you did.
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Well I would say you injured it. To what degree depends. I have hurt my back in a similar way you described and it went a way after a couple days with rest. I have also had sciatica before and it lasted months with careful training. Rest and don't do anything stupid like test it out. Let it heal and if you don't see any improvements short term (few days) then have it looked at. No one here will really be able to properly tell you what you did.
thanks bro...it ****ing hurts, I cant even sit straight....anyone else had this happened/
Give it a few days and see how it feels. I had a similar thing happen a while back and my back was fully healed in about a week.
ps. what exercise were you doing?
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You probably strained your back. It could take as little as a week to fully heal or as long as a few months. Stay off of it for a few days until it gets better. If you can stretch, do so every day.
Give it a few days and see how it feels. I had a similar thing happen a while back and my back was fully healed in about a week.
ps. what exercise were you doing?
I was doing BB Rows. So was your experience as painful? I mean...I literally get off my bed or a chair and its a struggle, even to lay back down or sit back down its a struggle, my lower back is killing me!
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no u def need a belt
You don't need a belt if your training smart. A belt helps you stay safe and support your back, but you don't NEED ONE. I think this was due to the fact that it was a weight that I do for the first two sets as a work set/warm up and it's easy for me, so I went a bit too fast on it.
I was doing BB Rows. So was your experience as painful? I mean...I literally get off my bed or a chair and its a struggle, even to lay back down or sit back down its a struggle, my lower back is killing me!
I hurt my lower back squatting in a powerlifting meet. It hurt constantly and i was walking around like I had a pole stuck up by butt. Every movement I made I was in pain. Just take it easy and lay down as much as you can.
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I hurt my lower back squatting in a powerlifting meet. It hurt constantly and i was walking around like I had a pole stuck up by butt. Every movement I made I was in pain. Just take it easy and lay down as much as you can.
Will do. Hopefully its minor. And it'll go away soon. Was that the injury you mentioned that went away in a week?
By the way, I saw your picks, SICK BACK BRO. Very good development. Good job!
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Will do. Hopefully its minor. And it'll go away soon. Was that the injury you mentioned that went away in a week?
By the way, I saw your picks, SICK BACK BRO. Very good development. Good job!
BodySculpting, I strongly suggest you get your back checked. I got 2 herniated discs foolishly attempting a third rep at 510lbs in the deadlift. I got in 2 reps, ego told me to go for a third. The pain became so severe that when i sneezed, i would just collapse on the floor from the pain. It may be alleviated by rest, then again it may not. I know u had to go for a surgery. But I'm almost at 100% efficiency again. Working back up on those deadlifts. =) Do something about it. Good luck.
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I get lower back pains occationally after doing back. Had some pain about a week ago that lasted for a couple of days. It was gone a few days later, as it always is.
I'm one of those guys that firmly believes that society is far too dependent on doctors and medications, so I don't usually go for aches and pains unless they last more than 3 or 4 days (I used to go sooner, but my doc always just said 'well, just take it easy at the gym'. F that.) The body can heal itself better than any medicine, so were I in your position I'd just rest up for a couple days and see where I'm at.*
*Disclaimer: I'm no doctor, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
You never "need" a belt, but used right it is a tool that can help you get stronger and train when you otherwise could not.
Go to a powerlifting meet and see how many guys take max lifts beltless.
this isn't about "max lifts". obviously if you are going for a weight you haven't done before and are only doing 1 rep, a belt has its uses...
...but for doing reps and sets, i really don't see the purpose(unless you already have a weak back). Especially on moves such as deads or squats where its used as a crutch for people who can't safely lift the weight they want to. Can using a belt lead to a stronger upper back? yes, if it helps you do more weight on lifts like pullups, bent over rows, t-bar rows...but a stronger lower back? no.
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I get lower back pains occationally after doing back. Had some pain about a week ago that lasted for a couple of days. It was gone a few days later, as it always is.
I'm one of those guys that firmly believes that society is far too dependent on doctors and medications, so I don't usually go for aches and pains unless they last more than 3 or 4 days (I used to go sooner, but my doc always just said 'well, just take it easy at the gym'. F that.) The body can heal itself better than any medicine, so were I in your position I'd just rest up for a couple days and see where I'm at.*
*Disclaimer: I'm no doctor, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I'm a doctor but i screwed myself over by listening to my ego instead of my body. I knew something was horribly wrong when the pain didn't go away for more than 3 months even though i took rest. I had to go for the damn surgery.
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Go to a powerlifting meet and see how many guys take max lifts beltless.
You're right that practically every powerlifter wears one, but then doing a psyched up true max in a competition going for absolute broke is a little different to a 1RM attempt in the gym (for most people anyway, maybe not DW).
I know myself with enough adrenaline pumping, snorting ammonia, hearing people yelling and slapping me on the back, I'm sure my max would be at least 20lbs higher than anything I've lifted in the gym where I make no noise at all and might as well be lifting 135 for all anyone could tell.
I've only worn a belt a couple of times on deads and I hated it. Some people would have you believe heavy weights can't be lifted safely without one. Konstantinovs had no trouble pulling 860 as a junior with no belt and even today he feels they don't help much and it's mainly psychological which is why he wears it so high up.
Maxing lifts is useless other than for bragging rights. If you insist on doing it, yes use a belt, otherwise you don't need one.
Belts can be used on ANY heavy set, although most restrict their use to heavy sets of 5 or less.
Knowing your max, or at least having a good gauge on it, is essential for proper programming. This could be a 1, 5, or 8 RM max, so long as it is relevant to your training.
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You're right that practically every powerlifter wears one, but then doing a psyched up true max in a competition going for absolute broke is a little different to a 1RM attempt in the gym (for most people anyway, maybe not DW)
Not in terms of the physics that are governing the lifter/barbell system. A belt does the same job either way.
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I've only worn a belt a couple of times on deads and I hated it. Some people would have you believe heavy weights can't be lifted safely without one. Konstantinovs had no trouble pulling 860 as a junior with no belt and even today he feels they don't help much and it's mainly psychological which is why he wears it so high up.
I suppose some people feel you can't touch heavy weghts safely without one.... but I'm not one of them.
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...but for doing reps and sets, i really don't see the purpose(unless you already have a weak back). Especially on moves such as deads or squats where its used as a crutch for people who can't safely lift the weight they want to. Can using a belt lead to a stronger upper back? yes, if it helps you do more weight on lifts like pullups, bent over rows, t-bar rows...but a stronger lower back? no.
Added support. A belt is only a crutch if you use it in an inappropriate manner... as in wearing one all the time or on unnecessary exercises.
If you squat 400 in a belt, and you get your squat up to 500 in a belt.... do you not think your muscles are getting that overload?
A properly used belt won't hinder anything because almost all of your sub-maximal work should be beltless, and if you are really worried about it you woud likely do some direct core work, negating any worry.
Knowing your max, or at least having a good gauge on it, is essential for proper programming. This could be a 1, 5, or 8 RM max, so long as it is relevant to your training.
For a PL yes, for a BB, no.
To clarify I'm referring solely to 1 RM.
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If you squat 400 in a belt, and you get your squat up to 500 in a belt.... do you not think your muscles are getting that overload?
That's just perspective. I can dead lift more with a belt than without. One person could say my back is getting the load & building muscle, another could say my lower back and core strength are lower than they should be.
Not in terms of the physics that are governing the lifter/barbell system. A belt does the same job either way.
The way I understand it based on the studies I've read, a belt slightly increases intra-abdominal pressure (IAP). A small increase. We're talking about a few kPa.
Now with a maximal load, that slight difference might be enough to prevent a back injury but my point was that slight difference might only come into play on a genuine 100% lift. If my maxes in the gym are 2-3% below what I might be able to do psyched up in a meet then my reasoning is that I'll probably be okay in training. So far no problems.
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I suppose some people feel you can't touch heavy weghts safely without one.... but I'm not one of them.
Each to his own. I'm only at odds with the idea they have to be worn. I've seen a lot of people lifting much less than me who wear a belt and still get hurt.
The way I understand it based on the studies I've read, a belt slightly increases intra-abdominal pressure (IAP). A small increase. We're talking about a few kPa.
Of the few "studies" on belts that I've seen, I can't think of a reliable one. Most of them don't even describe the manner in which the squats were performed. Either way, I think the empirical evidence in terms of the benefit that can be provided by belts is staggering.
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Each to his own. I'm only at odds with the idea they have to be worn. I've seen a lot of people lifting much less than me who wear a belt and still get hurt.
Agreed.
I think that the strength that can be gained through the appropriate use of a belt is also as great an asset as any possibilty of injury prevention.
It all comes down to appropriate use, and the belt is pretty easily probably one of the most abused pieces of gym gear; but that doesn't detract from what it can do when used right. Just like straps or anything else.
I was doing BB Rows. So was your experience as painful? I mean...I literally get off my bed or a chair and its a struggle, even to lay back down or sit back down its a struggle, my lower back is killing me!
I hurt my back on bb rows too but it was during a warmup set lol. Anyway for me it hurt to do anything. Even leaning forward to brush my teeth was a struggle. That was like the 3rd time I pulled my lower back (I didnt get it diagnosed so idk what it was and of course too stupid to change my ways). Eventually it went away after 3-4 horrible months but I learned my lesson. Just rest and dont do anything that would rely on lower back stabilization. For me walking helped a lot. I know thats not true for some people with lower back aches tho. I defiantely wouldnt Dead, Squat, or BB row until I was sure it was gone (and I dont mean take a week off and go back in. I mean like a month or more depending on your severity with how long the pain lingers).
To this day I can not squat or conv dead (I can bb row tho). Its a small price to pay to ensure you are able to walk when you are 40 or 50.
I hurt my back on bb rows too but it was during a warmup set lol. Anyway for me it hurt to do anything. Even leaning forward to brush my teeth was a struggle. That was like the 3rd time I pulled my lower back (I didnt get it diagnosed so idk what it was and of course too stupid to change my ways). Eventually it went away after 3-4 horrible months but I learned my lesson. Just rest and dont do anything that would rely on lower back stabilization. For me walking helped a lot. I know thats not true for some people with lower back aches tho. I defiantely wouldnt Dead, Squat, or BB row until I was sure it was gone (and I dont mean take a week off and go back in. I mean like a month or more depending on your severity with how long the pain lingers).
To this day I can not squat or conv dead (I can bb row tho). Its a small price to pay to ensure you are able to walk when you are 40 or 50.
Yeah bro, even bending down to brust my teeth hurts. To pick up stuff I have squat down with a straight back, lol..its a struggle! But damn..3-4 months and the pain didnt even ease out a bit?
Yeah bro, even bending down to brust my teeth hurts. To pick up stuff I have squat down with a straight back, lol..its a struggle! But damn..3-4 months and the pain didnt even ease out a bit?
lol yea i forgot picking up a stuff is painful...you're in the gym and you cant even lift a 10lb plate.
yea I thought it would go away but it didnt and the months just went on by without improvement.. I couldnt bb row for 6 months. I tried to do bb squats and it was a no go. I think things started improving when I started walking for like 30-60 mins a day.
I knew something was horribly wrong when the pain didn't go away for more than 3 months even though i took rest. I had to go for the damn surgery.
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