You don't need curls for big arms

[jked4life]

OMFG!

Not this **** again.


You need compounds as a backbone of your split. You absolutely need iso's as a complement to those compounds.

[stealth_swimmer]

This is like Kalt's upper body clean....... you are describing the difference between good and bad form. Your arms are not the prime mover in a row.

Relying on compound lifts for your arms DOES NOT mean that you are compromising your back training in order to do so.

Exactly, but when going too heavy on rows you tend to sacrifice form(as with most lifts). Still, going as heavy as you possibly can, while still having good form is what one should strive for. In that case....there is not way that I'd get my arms to grow from that, and neither would a lot of people I know.

Would they stay about the same? Yes, because it takes VERY little to maintain a muscle once it's developed. I could stop doing rows and still maintain my biceps development with one or two sets of DB curls or BB curls a week. But getting them to grow is another story.

With proper form on back movements, your biceps simply are not stimulated much as the goal is to use the back as much as possible with minimal biceps involvement.

[Kiknskreem]

Exactly, but when going too heavy on rows you tend to sacrifice form(as with most lifts). Still, going as heavy as you possibly can, while still having good form is what one should strive for. In that case....there is not way that I'd get my arms to grow from that, and neither would a lot of people I know.

I'm gonna spell this out real clear cause its apparent you don't get it.... I am not saying not to do direct arm work. I am disagreeing with what you are saying, which is that people who rely on compounds for arms do so at the expense of other bodyparts. This is NOT true.

With proper form on back movements, your biceps simply are not stimulated much as the goal is to use the back as much as possible with minimal biceps involvement.

No **** your arms aren't hit as hard in full body compounds as they are with direct work..... nobody is arguing to the contrary.

FYI.... with your barbell lifts at what they are... you can't expect to get any appreciable arm development from them. If you're going to rely on compounds alone (which I am not advocating) you had better be moving some real weight. Rowing half your bodyweight is a far cry from rowing 1.5 times your bodyweight.

[Dominik]

OMFG!

Not this **** again.

They haven't figured out yet that every competitive bodybuilder does direct arm work. Hmm, I wonder why? Instead of accepting that for optimal arm development you need to do isos they keep looking for a handful of exceptions to the rule with great genetics.

Sure you can build "big" arms without curls. But the chances of them being in proportion with everything else after years of training without direct work are pretty slim.

[BOLT.]

They haven't figured out yet that every competitive bodybuilder does direct arm work. Hmm, I wonder why? Instead of accepting that for optimal arm development you need to do isos they keep looking for a handful of exceptions to the rule with great genetics.

Sure you can build "big" arms without curls. But the chances of them being in proportion with everything else after years of training without direct work are pretty slim.

Yep, a back exercise can build the biceps. But it's still a back exercise and will work the back more. Eventually you have to have arm exercises to build them at an equal pace (they can handle more too because they're smaller muscles, so usually people do and equal amount of work for back and biceps so the biceps are getting more work)

[mAssholio]

[Screamin]

They haven't figured out yet that every competitive bodybuilder does direct arm work. Hmm, I wonder why? Instead of accepting that for optimal arm development you need to do isos they keep looking for a handful of exceptions to the rule with great genetics.

/HIT Jedi on

I find your lack of faith disturbing...

/HIT Jedi off

Sure you can build "big" arms without curls. But the chances of them being in proportion with everything else after years of training without direct work are pretty slim.

This is the crux of it. When you're 150 pounds soaking wet, your arms will "blow the f*ck up" no matter what you do.

Chris earlier in this thread is a prime example of a high bicep insertion which lends itself to a genetically awesome peak that looks huge when flexed but deflates like a balloon when he relaxes. How do I know? 'Cause I used to be the same way Once I added MORE direct arm work (specifically higher-rep incline curls), the difference is no longer quite as pronounced as it once was.

[miscman]

They haven't figured out yet that every competitive bodybuilder does direct arm work. Hmm, I wonder why? Instead of accepting that for optimal arm development you need to do isos they keep looking for a handful of exceptions to the rule with great genetics.

Sure you can build "big" arms without curls. But the chances of them being in proportion with everything else after years of training without direct work are pretty slim.

Competetive bodybuilder... but for a "normal" person looking to get up to 170lbs, it's definitely possible without direct work isn't it?

[Andrew69]

Competetive bodybuilder... but for a "normal" person looking to get up to 170lbs, it's definitely possible without direct work isn't it?

And so is winning the lottery, because that is exactly what it is like, winning the lottery.
Some people can build great bi's simply due to genetics. For the VAST MAJORITY (ie 99.999999% of people on this forum), need direct arm work and if you need to ask, then that includes YOU!

[gomez26]

I used to believe chins could replace curls as well for arm work. But I was wrong. Dead wrong for me at least. I saw good growth at first but my arms did eventually deflate over time. Everyone is different but I'm betting for the majority of ectos out there most will need some kind of direct arm work.

thats right, the general answer is you need direct arm work. that means on average that will be the requirement not knowing anything more about that person & will apply to most ppl. u get exceptions to every rule tho. only the foolish will use that as a basis for general assumption.

[gomez26]

I used to believe chins could replace curls as well for arm work. But I was wrong. Dead wrong for me at least. I saw good growth at first but my arms did eventually deflate over time. Everyone is different but I'm betting for the majority of ectos out there most will need some kind of direct arm work.

These guys do not curl either:





http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1214029816
have to wait until the end when he flexes (the big guy, not the skinnier guy)

i remember watchin olympics once & noticing the top 3, one had really sick arms/ delts, other was just sort of toned (could barely noticed he trained), the 3rd was somewhere in the middle. what would u conclude from this?

[exothermic]

i dont do olympic lifts and never will hence i iwll curl for life

[SomethingToSay]

Some genetically gifted individuals may develop impressive biceps without doing direct arm work but they will never know how far they could have gotten had they done direct bicep work.

Even the most genetically gifted among us can benefit from direct stimulation. It can only make them better.

True body building is all about shocking muscles from different angles and intensities to maximize the muscle's development for the best possible appearance that genetics will allow.

[ThickAsABrick]

OP, next time you think about starting a thread, just don't.

Thanks!

[gecko2424]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...6&d=1146542108

Dude's a sprinter from the post your pics section
Never curls or works arms directly
Only olympic lifts

Not saying you shouldn't do curls/work arms out directly... but living proof that you don't necessarily have to. I never really believed it. But here's proof.

You always hear people say it.. but you rarely see pictures of someone who SERIOUSLY never works out arms directly. You only hear/see pics of people who do both the olympic lifts AND direct arm work.

haha

He may just have superior bicep/tricep genetics...


Remember, not everyone is a clone of each other.

Thread should have stopped at this point...

you're right, chin ups and pullups are just as effective.

DO HEAVY COMPUND BACK EVERCISES AND WATCH THOSE BI'S GROW!!!!! ALL THoSE CURL MASTERS STILL HAVE THE SAME ARMS AFTER YRS OF CURLING..WHY? DO THEY DO HEAVY BACK COMPUND EXERCISES? No!!! THERE LIES THE ANSWER!

^ I'm beginning to suspect W8isgr8 was right

They are not performing the move differently...but muscle fiber recruitment and motor neuron recruitment will be different.

Exactly, but when going too heavy on rows you tend to sacrifice form(as with most lifts). Still, going as heavy as you possibly can, while still having good form is what one should strive for. In that case....there is not way that I'd get my arms to grow from that, and neither would a lot of people I know.

Would they stay about the same? Yes, because it takes VERY little to maintain a muscle once it's developed. I could stop doing rows and still maintain my biceps development with one or two sets of DB curls or BB curls a week. But getting them to grow is another story.

With proper form on back movements, your biceps simply are not stimulated much as the goal is to use the back as much as possible with minimal biceps involvement.

Competetive bodybuilder... but for a "normal" person looking to get up to 170lbs, it's definitely possible without direct work isn't it?

OP, next time you think about starting a thread, just don't.

Thanks!

Thick

[PureAlpha]

i'm a parrot of compound, you're parrots of isolation. cut it any way you want, you're all goddamned pussies that are afraid of the real lifts. i never said i didn't do curls, i said chins are just as good. ***s.

[BOLT.]

That's my pet parrot. My pitbull ate him though.

[PureAlpha]

i don't like green parrots...just saying. Though I do like red parrots. Those are funny.

210lbs of FAT.

[LungeManiac]

i'm a parrot of compound, you're parrots of isolation. cut it any way you want, you're all goddamned pussies that are afraid of the real lifts. i never said i didn't do curls, i said chins are just as good. ***s.

That's the problem. Chins are not just as good. They don't hit the biceps directly.

[gecko2424]

i'm a parrot of compound, you're parrots of isolation. cut it any way you want, you're all goddamned pussies that are afraid of the real lifts. i never said i didn't do curls, i said chins are just as good. ***s.

OH WAIT!

Some other posts:

Best strength exercise:

deadlift

Chest Exercises:

flat bench is completely useless.

How to get abs:

standing leg raises is the only exercise you need for abs.

Suggest lower back exercises:

deadlifts.

Wow, strong parrot.

Dom and IM1 are right. This is dangerous.

The rest of your posts are in the "Gay hate" thread and "insecure dating" thread.

[jshacker2]

for all those who don't work biceps post your pics. If you have 2% body dat any muscle will show!!! If you want to be really skinny then diet. If you want 19 inch arms then eat and work em out

[LungeManiac]

OH WAIT!

Some other posts:

Best strength exercise:


Chest Exercises:



How to get abs:


Suggest lower back exercises:


Wow, strong parrot.

Dom and IM1 are right. This is dangerous.

The rest of your posts are in the "Gay hate" thread and "insecure dating" thread.

I'll remember never to pull your hair. You go for the jugular. That was brutal!

[BOLT.]

OH WAIT!

Some other posts:

Best strength exercise:


Chest Exercises:



How to get abs:


Suggest lower back exercises:


Wow, strong parrot.

Dom and IM1 are right. This is dangerous.

The rest of your posts are in the "Gay hate" thread and "insecure dating" thread.

I asked dom about his post in the rant where he's asking about "potentially dangerous" advice and I thought he was talking about me but apparently this is what he was talking about.

[DJAuto]

The gymnastics fellow needs to:

1. Stop posting gymnastics advice on a bodybuilding website. As impressive as it is, it's inappropriate for this forum.
2. Visit this forum to satisfy your needs in that field.

[knowles.ja]

Cliffs:
- This Thread
- =
- Awesome

[mavrick77]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...6&d=1146542108

Dude's a sprinter from the post your pics section
Never curls or works arms directly
Only olympic lifts

Not saying you shouldn't do curls/work arms out directly... but living proof that you don't necessarily have to. I never really believed it. But here's proof.

You always hear people say it.. but you rarely see pictures of someone who SERIOUSLY never works out arms directly. You only hear/see pics of people who do both the olympic lifts AND direct arm work.

if you really believe this, then never do a curl again and see how you look.

[RU4A69]

Whenever I get confused about how to train, I ask an elite level olympic gymnast with genetics 1000X better than me. When that doesn't work, I ask a geared up sprinter...........

[Al Faz]

OMFG!

Not this **** again.


You need compounds as a backbone of your split. You absolutely need iso's as a complement to those compounds.

What a load of bull****!! I bet you think people should do leg extensions instead of squats.

[knowles.ja]

What a load of bull****!! I bet you think people should do leg extensions instead of squats.

Boy I sure wish you would get banned...

[Defiant1]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...6&d=1146542108

Dude's a sprinter from the post your pics section
Never curls or works arms directly
Only olympic lifts

Not saying you shouldn't do curls/work arms out directly... but living proof that you don't necessarily have to. I never really believed it. But here's proof.

You always hear people say it.. but you rarely see pictures of someone who SERIOUSLY never works out arms directly. You only hear/see pics of people who do both the olympic lifts AND direct arm work.

Great f*cking post.



Bill Gates dropped out of college.

Everyone should drop out of college-you make more money.

A bunch of lazy asses trying to justify their lazy ass workouts.

Oh and Al Faz before you even say anything...

STFU.