Overtraining, the real definition

[Lintford]

The word overtrain is thrown around unnecceceraly, people in prison work out every day without supplements, are they overtrained? old school BBers hit the gym non stop until they couldnt hit no more, they were awesome, so just think for yourself, if it hurts the next day, you've done good

[user5454]

hurting does not equal good. Plus, they probally hit different body parts everyday (like 7 day splits lol doing one muscle a day instead of 2).

Anyways...ppl in prison just rest, sleep, and eat, and workout. What else is tehre to do? Its the perfect bb lifestyle.

[manley]

lol yeah, i wanna go to jail just so i can get the perfect BBing lifestyle! Im sure they could get some protein ordered in somehow

[jack_of_all]

The word overtrain is thrown around unnecceceraly, people in prison work out every day without supplements, are they overtrained? old school BBers hit the gym non stop until they couldnt hit no more, they were awesome, so just think for yourself, if it hurts the next day, you've done good

compared to what you already get from proper diet and a decent routine with ample rest, the addition of supplements will be almost negligeable on your overall results. and no, old school bb'ers did not hit the gym non-stop, that started with the modern chemically assisted bb'ers. and DOMS is not a sign of a good workout.

[Lean_and_Mean]

Um Lintford how can you only squat 155 if your legs are 24 inch?unless its fat or sumthing.

[WhiteRice]

A lot of prison's only allow access to the gym for a few days a week.. Obviously your making this assumption by watching TV shows on prison.

[OTG]

Related question:
So, if u workout 4 days a week. After how many weeks/months should u take a week off to avoid a plateau?? I really want to know.
~Thanks.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Heres the low down on overtraining......

There is no such thing as overtraining, if you get enough rest you CANNOT overtrain, it should be called underresting!!!!

[Tarkana]

^^^ that's the way to be. even "overreaching" is actually a good thing if you know what ur doing. maximizing recovery efficiency means increased w/o frequency which means faster gains. make ur recovery as effective and time efficient as possible.

[Nights]

yeah, if you eat enough and rest enough, you will grow.

a lot of people do like 10 sets for a workout because they won't want to "overtrain"

[YesMaster]

there are several things that indicates overtraining, some of those indicators are: jointpain, constant tiredness, extreme soreness which doesnt heal until your next workout, "feeling down", you hit a plateue or decrease in your lifts.

i just recently got overtrained, i decreased in most of my lifts, and i had rather extreme wrist pain which i had gotten from all heavy benchpresses.

if you believe you are overtrained just take one or two weeks off, that usually works for me.

good luck

[Lintford]

Thanks for your comments everyone, i can only squat 155 'cos I never do them, i do alot of leg presses, leg extensions etc, my squating is ****ed lol

[Iron7]

I only take a break from working when I feel sick or tired because there are times when I can the gym 3 weeks in a row and still feel energized and times when I cant go because iam sick or really exhausted and then my motavation comes back. I know when to take a break if I have ****ty workout and have no motavation even if I try my hardest to concentrate.

[lovingthepills]

Actually alot of prisons (more commonly maximum security) are no longer allowing weight rooms. The inmates were getting pretty big and strong as you can imagine and it made the guards uneasy. It is also really hard to overtrain when you arnt allowed to do anything except rest.

[nopal_juventus]

Overtraining is both possible and common, especially among young or beginner lifters.

[polishmuscle01]

I smell bs on the squat thing. If your legs are really 24 inches, you could easily do more than 155, even if you have never done them. Heck, the first time I ever did squats I could rep out 155 no problem, it was a warmup. And my quads were only 20 inches then. They are now 25, almost the same as yours, and I can squat 275 for 10. So, either you could do more but just didn't want to, or you really do just suck at squatting, or you are lying.

[USMuscle9403]

Heres the low down on overtraining......

There is no such thing as overtraining, if you get enough rest you CANNOT overtrain, it should be called underresting!!!!

If you believe this then I feel sorry for you. There is a definite point where an individual, regardless of diet and rest, no longer makes gains. You can't just add sets to a workout, sleep a couple more hours every night and expect to grow from that. Some may be able to, but most can't. Some respond very well to high volume and can do tremendous amounts of work, while some can get well over the recommended amount of rest every night, eat just to the point where they don't get fat and even on moderate volume they overtrain. I happen to be one of those people. Each person has a specific setpoint and it can take years to realize that setpoint. So yes, there most certainly IS a such thing as overtraining.

[jack_of_all]

if you get enough rest you CANNOT overtrain, it should be called underresting!!!!

translation: there is a such thing as overtraining, you avoid it by getting ample rest between workouts and not working out so much as to extend into your bodies necessary rest time.

[Ba-60]

The word overtrain is thrown around unnecceceraly, people in prison work out every day without supplements, are they overtrained? old school BBers hit the gym non stop until they couldnt hit no more, they were awesome, so just think for yourself, if it hurts the next day, you've done good

how many times are u gonna repeat this quote all over the place on the forum lol

[BB is 4 life :)]

If you believe this then I feel sorry for you. There is a definite point where an individual, regardless of diet and rest, no longer makes gains. You can't just add sets to a workout, sleep a couple more hours every night and expect to grow from that. Some may be able to, but most can't. Some respond very well to high volume and can do tremendous amounts of work, while some can get well over the recommended amount of rest every night, eat just to the point where they don't get fat and even on moderate volume they overtrain. I happen to be one of those people. Each person has a specific setpoint and it can take years to realize that setpoint. So yes, there most certainly IS a such thing as overtraining.

Yeah that is what i believe....feel sorry for me please, i ned to know how to look good and get bigger....please help me oh great one....

[tbohacker]

Yeah that is what i believe....feel sorry for me please, i ned to know how to look good and get bigger....please help me oh great one....

Good game! And we have a winner!

I agree overtraining is a word that spreads around here like a forest fire. Overtraining is easy to control. With adequate rest and a good diet you should be ok. However, if you like to train some body parts more than once a week you have to adjust the intensity in one way or another. Whether thats sets, reps, volume whatever. Overtraining is the whole purpose of bodybuilding. Muscles arent built by sitting on your couch eating cheetos. As long as you arent going high intensity everyday of the week for hours on end you should be ok as long as you have all other parts in check.


Good Luck.


O, btw the isa-test is a good choice.

[Nights]

Yeah that is what i believe....feel sorry for me please, i ned to know how to look good and get bigger....please help me oh great one....

goddamn bro, even your titties are vascular. good ****

[nopal_juventus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMuscle9403
If you believe this then I feel sorry for you. There is a definite point where an individual, regardless of diet and rest, no longer makes gains. You can't just add sets to a workout, sleep a couple more hours every night and expect to grow from that. Some may be able to, but most can't. Some respond very well to high volume and can do tremendous amounts of work, while some can get well over the recommended amount of rest every night, eat just to the point where they don't get fat and even on moderate volume they overtrain. I happen to be one of those people. Each person has a specific setpoint and it can take years to realize that setpoint. So yes, there most certainly IS a such thing as overtraining.



Yeah that is what i believe....feel sorry for me please, i ned to know how to look good and get bigger....please help me oh great one....
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So what? Being big makes you right? In that case we should all just follow Ronnie Coleman's advice... I mean, he's the biggest person in the world, so he must know the most about overtraining. You simply provide flawed and disproved logic to back up your reasoning, and when someone questions you you post your pictures in the hopes that everyone will be awed by your physique and thus agree with you. How about providing research first?

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=46seven

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301warr2

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459318

[USMuscle9403]

So what? Being big makes you right? In that case we should all just follow Ronnie Coleman's advice... I mean, he's the biggest person in the world, so he must know the most about overtraining. You simply provide flawed and disproved logic to back up your reasoning, and when someone questions you you post your pictures in the hopes that everyone will be awed by your physique and thus agree with you. How about providing research first?

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=46seven

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301warr2

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459318

Does his response surprise you? This is why half the people on here have their heads up their asses, because they aren't willing to take advice from anyone. For a bodybuilder to say that overtraining doesn't exist is one of the dumbest things that you can say. Even my saying that 'some people can do it, some can't' still lead to a sarcastic, condescending response on his part, I guess in order to 'prove himself' over an internet message board. He is obviously not one to mess with and is incredibly badass because of this.

[BB is 4 life :)]

So what? Being big makes you right? In that case we should all just follow Ronnie Coleman's advice... I mean, he's the biggest person in the world, so he must know the most about overtraining. You simply provide flawed and disproved logic to back up your reasoning, and when someone questions you you post your pictures in the hopes that everyone will be awed by your physique and thus agree with you. How about providing research first?

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=46seven

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301warr2

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459318

No, he said to me

"If you believe this then I feel sorry for you."

and i just thought that was a really dick head thing to say, so i responded accordingly......obviously my methods have worked for me, my methods have gotten me to how i am today. And he said what he said in a lame effort to make me look foolish which in turn did the opposite, as it was i that made him look stupid for being a sarcastic smart arse.

No i dont think im always right, and if you knew anything about me which absolutely no one from this board does then you would know i do not think that, but the advice i have picked up over the years and my own experience has taught me what i believe to be true when it comes to bodybuilding.
Its funny that im wrong just because im both big and i said something was incorrect....hmmmmmm this has never happened before!!! people on this board have an uncontrollable passion and need to prove anyone with any real muscle and shape wrong just to try and make them selves feel better so go right ahead.

[BB is 4 life :)]

So what? Being big makes you right? In that case we should all just follow Ronnie Coleman's advice... I mean, he's the biggest person in the world, so he must know the most about overtraining. You simply provide flawed and disproved logic to back up your reasoning, and when someone questions you you post your pictures in the hopes that everyone will be awed by your physique and thus agree with you. How about providing research first?

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=46seven

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301warr2

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459318

I used my pictures to show that it has worked for ME and that the comment about feeling sorry for me was moronic to say the least.....the research is right there in the pictures my friend, i am the 'Experiment' and it obviously works......so anyone can try it and see how they react to it. Im gonna guess that you two need plenty of rest and cant train with high volume or else your body just cant hack it......its a shame if thats the case but vent your anger somewhere else, dont direct it at me!!

[BB is 4 life :)]

Does his response surprise you? This is why half the people on here have their heads up their asses, because they aren't willing to take advice from anyone.

I've taken advice from people repeatedly in the past 6 weeks as im preparing for my first competition.......another stupid facicious comment .

For a bodybuilder to say that overtraining doesn't exist is one of the dumbest things that you can say.

Well then you had better go and argue it out with some very well known professional bodybuilders both past and present.....its not only me who thinks this way and i didnt just think it up!!!.....

Even my saying that 'some people can do it, some can't' still lead to a sarcastic, condescending response on his part,

Yes it did lead to a mirrored response of yours, mainly because i hate it when people like YOU who think they are right all the time say stupid and arrogant things to someone who doesnt think the same way as them, then i provide reason as to why i think this way (my pictures) and then im big headed blah blah the usual.....

I guess in order to 'prove himself' over an internet message board.

So who exactly am i trying to 'proove' myself to ??!! did anyone call me small/weak that would require said pictures to show otherwise and thus 'prooving' that iam indeed not weak.....no, that didnt happen, i used my pictures as reasoning for why i think my theory on this subject works. You may not agree with it.....fine dont agree with it, you keep doin what your doin.....ill keep doin my thing. But next time some one makes a comment you dont agree with, try thinkin for a little while before you post and make moronic comments like 'i feel sorry for you'.

I dont need you to feel sorry for me thats what my pictures are 'prooving' they are 'prooving' that my theory is relivant as it OBVIOUSLY works.....

He is obviously not one to mess with and is incredibly badass because of this.

This comment just makes no sense at all and means nothing to me nor anyone else.....how am i trying to be a 'badass' ???!!!

Dont mess with me ??!! where did i mention that???!!

Non-sensicle, facicious comments are funny, because more often than not, the person using them is doing so to inlisit a good response from other people .... hoping they havent noticed ttheir post is meaningless and makes very little sense when looked at properly.

[USMuscle9403]

I specifically stated in a number of words that there are exceptions to every rule and that 'some people can do this, some can't'. Go to any other bodybuilding board and ask if my statements were 'moronic'. You sat there stating that there is no such thing as overtraining, which is WRONG. Ask anyone that knows anything about bodybuilding. I'm done arguing here, you can't convince people here of anything without getting argued with.

And no, I can't train with high volume but how is that making me 'mad'? If anything, it's making you snobby and that's exactly the attitude that I was trying to argue. Apparently, overtraining doesn't exist at all because YOU can train with high volume, right? That's a good thing that high volume works for you, but you might want to look around and see that there are other bodybuilders in the world besides you and that their bodies respond differently to different things. Overtraining is a very real phenomenon. This is one of the simplest bodybuilding concepts in the book, and it surprised me that you didn't know this.

Like I said, I've been through this. I know my own body's setpoint. I am like thousands of others. I could get 12 hrs rest a night and eat like a monster but on a high volume routine I'd just overtrain, get fat and most likely lose muscle. I don't care if your body can respond well to this, mine can't. Just because yours can doesn't mean that there's no such thing as overtraining. That'd just be liek me saying that high volume absolutely doesn't work because *I* can only train with lower volume and gain. Open your eyes. Have you ever had experience with personal training? Have you ever talked toany of the better personal trainers out there? If you did, you would clearly know that there is definitely a setpoint where the body can not naturally gain any more muscle no matter how much you sleep and eat.

[BB is 4 life :)]

I specifically stated in a number of words that there are exceptions to every rule and that 'some people can do this, some can't'. Go to any other bodybuilding board and ask if my statements were 'moronic'. You sat there stating that there is no such thing as overtraining, which is WRONG. Ask anyone that knows anything about bodybuilding. I'm done arguing here, you can't convince people here of anything without getting argued with.

And no, I can't train with high volume but how is that making me 'mad'? If anything, it's making you snobby and that's exactly the attitude that I was trying to argue. Apparently, overtraining doesn't exist at all because YOU can train with high volume, right? That's a good thing that high volume works for you, but you might want to look around and see that there are other bodybuilders in the world besides you and that their bodies respond differently to different things. Overtraining is a very real phenomenon. This is one of the simplest bodybuilding concepts in the book, and it surprised me that you didn't know this.

Like I said, I've been through this. I know my own body's setpoint. I am like thousands of others. I could get 12 hrs rest a night and eat like a monster but on a high volume routine I'd just overtrain, get fat and most likely lose muscle. I don't care if your body can respond well to this, mine can't. Just because yours can doesn't mean that there's no such thing as overtraining. That'd just be liek me saying that high volume absolutely doesn't work because *I* can only train with lower volume and gain. Open your eyes. Have you ever had experience with personal training? Have you ever talked toany of the better personal trainers out there? If you did, you would clearly know that there is definitely a setpoint where the body can not naturally gain any more muscle no matter how much you sleep and eat.

I own my own personal training business

I'am a personal trainer.....a very successful one.

I cant be arsed with this its like pushina rock up a ****in mountain....your right....your so wise and clever

[USMuscle9403]

I own my own personal training business

I'am a personal trainer.....a very successful one.

I cant be arsed with this its like pushina rock up a ****in mountain....your right....your so wise and clever

Do yourself a favor. Please go post our conversation on any other respectable bodybuilding board. I'm not talking about one with a bunch of kids. Ask them if overtraining is non-existent. See what they tell you.

So you have clients, correct? Are they of all experience levels? So they all train with gross amounts of volume and gain very well, correct? Do they believe that there's no such thing as overtraining, too?