an explanation of the ingredients in IDS PH/DS-type products

WCC · 12-26-2007, 04:06 PM

Bulk Tabs:

3beta-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene-17-one = 1-androsterone; an isomer of DHEA with the double bond at C1 instead of C5.

Mass Tabs:

2,17-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5-androstan-1-ene-3-one = stenbolone with an extra methyl group at C17a; looks like a cross between Superdrol and M1T.

Oxodrol 12:

2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one = Superdrol

Oxodrol Pro:

2alpha, 3alpha-Epithio-17alpha-Methyletioallocholanol = Havoc/Epistane

Ripped Tabs:

1,3,7-trimethyl-1h-2,6 (3H,7H) dione = caffeine (LOL!)
5-alpha-pro stanzonol = probably Prostanozol
17 hydroxy-17-methyl-etioallocholan = incomplete nomenclature - possibly Pheraplex?

Sostonol 250:

Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol-50.

Insulin Ihsaan · 12-26-2007, 04:12 PM

bulk tabs are test? :O

jcilla26 · 12-26-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ihsaank

bulk tabs are test? :O

thats what i was wondering.....

Insulin Ihsaan · 12-26-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jcilla26

thats what i was wondering.....

i always thought they were pplex....wow was i wrong

jcilla26 · 12-26-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ihsaank

i always thought they were pplex....wow was i wrong

definitely doesnt look like phera......

Insulin Ihsaan · 12-26-2007, 04:26 PM

Green Tea, Milk Thistle, Chrysin, 6 Bromo 3, 17 Dioxoetioallcholane, Acetyl L Carnitine, 3,17 Anabol?, Epimedium Sagittatum, 3beta-Hydroxy- 5a-Androst- 1-Ene-17-One.

3,17 Anabol?,
17 Dioxoetioallcholane

What are these 2?

6 Bromo 3
thats the AI right?

leonidas300 · 12-26-2007, 04:38 PM

I have no idea if you are right but I appreciate the effort.

LCking187 · 12-26-2007, 04:40 PM

no way is bulk tabs 1 test......

The_cannibal · 12-26-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WCC

Bulk Tabs:

3beta-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene-17-one = 1-testosterone (i think)

1-test would have a keto in C3 and hydroxy in 17...this is more like DHEA, but with the double bond on C1 instead of C5.

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Originally Posted by WCC

Mass Tabs:
2,17-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5-androstan-1-ene-3-one = stenbolone with an extra methyl group at C17a; looks like a cross between Superdrol and M1T.

According to this chemical formula, it would be Superdrol with a double bond on C1, so you are right, it is like a cross between Superdrol and M1T.

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Originally Posted by WCC

Oxodrol 12:

2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one = Superdrol

Superdrol has a hydroxy in C17, so if the name is right, then it would be Superdrol without the -ol...Superdr?

The absence of a 17bol would diminish the anabolic activity.

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Originally Posted by WCC

Oxodrol Pro:

2alpha, 3alpha-Epithio-17alpha-Methyletioallocholanol = Havoc/Epistane

Ripped Tabs:

1,3,7-trimethyl-1h-2,6 (3H,7H) dione = caffeine (LOL!)
5-alpha-pro stanzonol = probably Prostanozol
17 hydroxy-17-methyl-etioallocholan = incomplete nomenclature - possibly Pheraplex?

Sostonol 250:

Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol-50.

Correct for those last ones.

WCC · 12-26-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ihsaank

bulk tabs are test? :O

no, 1-test.

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Originally Posted by ihsaank

Green Tea, Milk Thistle, Chrysin, 6 Bromo 3, 17 Dioxoetioallcholane, Acetyl L Carnitine, 3,17 Anabol?, Epimedium Sagittatum, 3beta-Hydroxy- 5a-Androst- 1-Ene-17-One.

3,17 Anabol?,
17 Dioxoetioallcholane

What are these 2?

6 Bromo 3
thats the AI right?

no, that's meant to be one compound - 6-bromo 3, 17-dioxoetioallocholane (all one word, lol). it's 6-bromo - the AI that's in Rebound Reloaded, Hyperdrol etc.
3, 17 Anabol isn't chemical nomenclature - it's a trademark name for something; maybe a secret ingredient?

The_cannibal · 12-26-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ihsaank

Green Tea, Milk Thistle, Chrysin, 6 Bromo 3, 17 Dioxoetioallcholane, Acetyl L Carnitine, 3,17 Anabol?, Epimedium Sagittatum, 3beta-Hydroxy- 5a-Androst- 1-Ene-17-One.

3,17 Anabol?,
17 Dioxoetioallcholane

What are these 2?

6 Bromo 3
thats the AI right?

3,17 Anabol ? who knows? that can be anything...this is not a chemical name.

6 Bromo 3, 17 Dioxoetioallocholane : this is all one compound, the comma is used here to separate the 3 and the 17.
"6-bromo" : means there is a brome atom on C6
"3,17 dioxo": means there is a keto on C3 and C17...most AI are diones
"etioallocholane" : 5a-androstane

EDIT: WCC beat me to it

WCC · 12-26-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The_cannibal

1-test would have a keto in C3 and hydroxy in 17...this is more like DHEA, btu with the double on C1 instead of C5.

yeah, looks like a DHEA isomer.

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Superdrol has a hydroxy in C17, so if the name is right, then it would be Superdrol without the -ol...Superdr?

The absence of a 17bol would diminish the anabolic activity.

i don't know - IDS' nomenclature is often vague/incomplete (e.g. 17 hydroxy-17-methyl-etioallocholan; i suspected this to be Pheraplex).

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Correct for those last ones.

made me laugh how they listed the nomenclature for caffeine... WTF?

Insulin Ihsaan · 12-26-2007, 05:10 PM

thanks guys, out of reps unfortunatly

Insulin Ihsaan · 12-26-2007, 05:14 PM

made me laugh how they listed the nomenclature for caffeine... WTF?[/QUOTE]

i also loled pretty hard at that

FoolontheHill · 12-26-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WCC

Bulk Tabs:

3beta-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene-17-one = 1-testosterone (i think)

Not 1-test. 1 androsterone, like cannibal said DHEA with the double bond at the 1 instead of the 5, should convert into 1 test, but not straight 1 test

leonidas300 · 12-26-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolontheHill

Not 1-test. 1 androsterone, like cannibal said DHEA with the double bond at the 1 instead of the 5, should convert into 1 test, but not straight 1 test

SO that would make it like the original 1-AD if I am correct and that is quite illegal.

FoolontheHill · 12-26-2007, 06:07 PM

no, what he listed was 1 androsterone.
The original 1AD was 1androstenediol, Bearing a hydroxy group at the 3 and 17 position.
androstenedione would have a keto at the 3 and the 17th position.
Androsterone has a hydroxy at the 3 position and a keto at the 17.

An active steroid (i.e 1 test) has a keto at the 3 and a hydroxy at the 17.

Androsterone is legal. effective? that i dont know.

Hope this helps.

WCC · 12-26-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolontheHill

Not 1-test. 1 androsterone, like cannibal said DHEA with the double bond at the 1 instead of the 5, should convert into 1 test, but not straight 1 test

edited, thanks. reps on recharge.

halcyonnight · 12-26-2007, 06:50 PM

So Oxodrol Pro is the exact same thing as Havoc/Epistane? Only cheaper?

And Sostonol 250 is a combonation of Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol-50? What would be the advantage of combining those three?

Sorry if these are noob questions.

WCC · 12-26-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by halcyonnight

So Oxodrol Pro is the exact same thing as Havoc/Epistane? Only cheaper?

yes.

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And Sostonol 250 is a combonation of Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol-50? What would be the advantage of combining those three?

Sorry if these are noob questions.

SD + PP is quite a common stack - it yields good results. not sure about the addition of Halodrol-50 though.
i personally wouldn't go anywhere near this stuff, even if i were >21. apart from the fact that it contains 3 methyls (absolute murder on the liver), it doesn't even tell you the dose. all it tells you is 80,000mcg (80mg) of a proprietary blend of these 3 compounds. proprietary blends are alright when it comes to stuff like creatine and nitric oxide supps, but we're talking about 3 methylated steroids here - i don't think it's unreasonable to want to know how much of each you're getting. i'd guess 10mg SD, 20mg PP and 50mg HD, but i wouldn't be sure enough to take it.

gisnb · 12-26-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolontheHill

Not 1-test. 1 androsterone, like cannibal said DHEA with the double bond at the 1 instead of the 5, should convert into 1 test, but not straight 1 test

Is this like AMS 1-Androsterone? Supposed to convert to 1-AD, then convert to 1-Test...supposed to.

gisnb · 12-26-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by halcyonnight

So Oxodrol Pro is the exact same thing as Havoc/Epistane? Only cheaper?

And Sostonol 250 is a combonation of Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol-50? What would be the advantage of combining those three?

Sorry if these are noob questions.

But only 60 per bottle instead of 90.

The_cannibal · 12-30-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolontheHill

Not 1-test. 1 androsterone, like cannibal said DHEA with the double bond at the 1 instead of the 5, should convert into 1 test, but not straight 1 test

Sorry to bump an older thread, but I needed to rectify this:

Androsterone has a 3alpha-hydroxy, not 3beta. Therefore, calling this 1-androsterone would be wrong. The best would be to see it as 1-dehydroepiandrosterone (1-DHEA). the epi- prefix is what makes the difference.

JBerto · 01-09-2008, 01:30 PM

Good info!

Illadelphia · 07-06-2008, 05:38 PM

Bumped for PA...

cal62887 · 03-02-2009, 10:44 PM

WCC,

Where Art Thou?

Illadelphia · 03-15-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cal62887

WCC,

Where Art Thou?

BUMP...

We need to know what is in their newest batch of ****!

Wisdom15 · 05-07-2009, 12:04 PM

bump cause i can.