have any of you guys tried prohormones or prosteroids?

**matt_T** · 10-02-2002, 11:58 AM

I know this isn't the supplement section, but I just wanted to know if any of you guys have tried them and would recomend them. I know p0w3r will say "just use 'roids", but I have a wife and 3 kids and cannot jeopardize them or their safety. Any input will be appreciated.

later and heavy lifting
Matt

**Gaash** · 10-02-2002, 12:23 PM

nah, p0w3r will say, "just make your own roids"... I haven't tried them, though 1-test looks awfully tempting, as it doesn't aromatize and supposedly gives pretty good gains.

**Deejay_Spike** · 10-02-2002, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by matt_T
but I have a wife and 3 kids and cannot jeopardize them or their safety.
later and heavy lifting
Matt

k, i suppose you are talking about roid rage...

honestly, i dunno what to say.

i'm against roids. and prohormones and stuff falls in the same category for me. so i'd just say :

if you wanna do it, do it good immediately.
but if i were you, i would eat another burrito and get back under that barbell....

**matt_T** · 10-02-2002, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Deejay_Spike

but if i were you, i would eat another burrito and get back under that barbell....

so i could **** my pants?j/k

no, in my state steroids are in the same class as heroin and if i'm raided while i'm not home the wife goes to jail. can't risk it.

**Antaeus** · 10-02-2002, 01:09 PM

PHs are pretty tame compared to the real thing, so I've heard, but they're perfectly legal. I personally don't like the side effects, illegality and injectibility of juice, hence I don't use. I would only entertain the thought if I had reached the limit of my natural potential, and my test levels had dropped drastically ~ age 35.

**14powerlift** · 10-02-2002, 01:10 PM

I've tried Androstenedione by Weider. I also tried Androstat Poppers. While I did kinda feel a little agression an hour after taking them, I don't feel the cost is worth it. I also don't feel that they make that much of a difference. Yes I think a guy who uses roids would win over the natural lifter most of the time. But I feel the natural lifter and the prohormone lifter are on the same playing field. I think the whole prohormone rage is just a marketing thing, and not worth the money. But if money is not an issue, go ahead and try them.

**p0w3rlift3r** · 10-02-2002, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Gaash
nah, p0w3r will say, "just make your own roids"... I haven't tried them, though 1-test looks awfully tempting, as it doesn't aromatize and supposedly gives pretty good gains.

you guys know me all to well

prohomrones won't help that much unless your 30 or older, i would stay away from them until then

i'm coming along way in learning how to make my own aas, my chem classes are helping alot only if i knew what my teacher knows, only a few things i don't understand atm (thats bonding and esters) ive yet to read the section on them...right now were learning about naming coumpounds :roll eyes:

i wouldn't take prohormones there bad

**Deejay_Spike** · 10-02-2002, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by p0w3rlift3r
i'm coming along way in learning how to make my own aas

how old were you again?

**p0w3rlift3r** · 10-02-2002, 01:48 PM

i'm not taking them now

**Gaash** · 10-02-2002, 01:50 PM

While ambition is a good thing, p0w3r, it took many years of top scientific researchers work to develop steroids, not to mention it is probably much more cost effective (and more potent) to simply purchase roids rather than make them yourself, assuming you could even amass the knowledge and equipment necessary to produce steroids...

**Antaeus** · 10-02-2002, 01:57 PM

I dunno, ask herk. He hasn't been around much, tho.

**p0w3rlift3r** · 10-02-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Gaash
While ambition is a good thing, p0w3r, it took many years of top scientific researchers work to develop steroids, not to mention it is probably much more cost effective (and more potent) to simply purchase roids rather than make them yourself, assuming you could even amass the knowledge and equipment necessary to produce steroids...

i plan on bieng in the pharma. field in a few years anyways i'm just learning young, when you say it is more cost effective to make your own I ask you this, is it cheaper to make your own squat rack or to buy one, is it cheaper to build your own computer or to buy one fully assembelled things are always cheaper to do yourself then to buy them especialy if buying them comes from a chain of dealers by the time it hits the middle man its already 150% when it gets in your hands its at least 170% of the manufacturer's price, if you learn enough its not hard to do what seems immpossible to others we all know this

only a few things wrong with this, is purchising of raw materials....

**Gaash** · 10-02-2002, 02:17 PM

You are not factoring in the costs of raw materials and equipment necessary etc to produce the goods. Furthermore, making your own computer is usually more expensive because OEMs get major deals on hardware which you cannot (usually ) get as an individual. And btw, try making your own squat rack that is equivalent to one at a good gym... way more expensive to make.

Originally posted by p0w3rlift3r

i plan on bieng in the pharma. field in a few years anyways i'm just learning young, when you say it is more cost effective to make your own I ask you this, is it cheaper to make your own squat rack or to buy one, is it cheaper to build your own computer or to buy one fully assembelled things are always cheaper to do yourself then to buy them especialy if buying them comes from a chain of dealers by the time it hits the middle man its already 150% when it gets in your hands its at least 170% of the manufacturer's price, if you learn enough its not hard to do what seems immpossible to others we all know this

only a few things wrong with this, is purchising of raw materials....

**footballplaya90** · 10-02-2002, 02:52 PM

As a computer nerd / football player, a computer made by yourself will usually cost less if you make it then say if the same parts were in a OEM computer.

**Antaeus** · 10-02-2002, 03:17 PM

Computers were cheaper to build yourself up untill about 2 years ago. Now with all the "chop shop" outfits you can get a decent one real cheap. This excludes ppl with hookups or those who buy in bulk.

pow3r, would you really try to make your own squat rack? I don't have a welder, and besides, putting over 500 lbs on something I put together from scratch isn't exactly appealing

**p0w3rlift3r** · 10-02-2002, 07:44 PM

i'm a homeade do it yourself kind of person, roids would be cheaper to make yourself especially if it goes through the hands of 5 or 6 people by the time it gets to you

making your own computer (putting it together really) is much cheaper, buying discount cpu, ram, hard drive, video card, ect. and putting it together...you could probably build a 2 gig for around 500$ why buy it for 3 or 4 hundred dollars more?

and its not very hard to build a squat rack with the right pieces of metal and a good welder

**Gaash** · 10-02-2002, 08:32 PM

In general, OEM machines ARE cheaper and have been for several years already.

And don't compare expensive dell machines (actually, even if you do that comparision, you'll see it'll be hard to match their price for the same parts)

Really, why argue, someone run a test (im too lazy) go to pricewatch.com (DON'T forgeto add shipping and purchasing of a case, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc. little details that add up) and compare that to what you get from DELL (practically most expensive systems). Even if you warez all the software, the DELL will still probably cost less.

**14powerlift** · 10-03-2002, 03:10 AM

Like someone said earlier, if you know somebody or get the parts wholesale. My brother is the manager of a Best Buy. He built me a comp for 300 bucks. Not a super comp, but it has 512k ram, 40 gig hard drive, intel celeron processor, a weird looking Toshiba monitor, plus a nicely pirated version of windows XP. Did I say pirated, I meant "borrowed". So I'm going with the cheaper to make yourself, IF you have connections.

**Gaash** · 10-03-2002, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by 14powerlift
Like someone said earlier, if you know somebody or get the parts wholesale. My brother is the manager of a Best Buy. He built me a comp for 300 bucks. Not a super comp, but it has 512k ram, 40 gig hard drive, intel celeron processor, a weird looking Toshiba monitor, plus a nicely pirated version of windows XP. Did I say pirated, I meant "borrowed". So I'm going with the cheaper to make yourself, IF you have connections.

Yeah, well, I used to write hardware reviews and articles for a bunch of major sites, so I got half of my hardware for free from manufacturers, so for me, it was much cheaper to build. But that's not your ordinary case.

**footballplaya90** · 10-03-2002, 12:15 PM

Gaash, i was referring to say for example you want a system with a geforce 4 ti4600, blah blah blah. A machine you build yourself with the SAME parts as say in a OEM computer, you will generally save money. OEMS offer systems with say a fast processor, but cut on much of the rest of the system. They normally put in **** parts such as video cards, sound cards, psu's , heatsink/fan , and also cooling just so they can offer that p4 1.8ghz system for $599 or some crap.

Also, what tech sites did you work for? And my case is modded, got a window on it, with blue neon, 2 fans on window all in aluminum.

**power_just** · 10-04-2002, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by matt_T
I know this isn't the supplement section, but I just wanted to know if any of you guys have tried them and would recomend them. I know p0w3r will say "just use 'roids", but I have a wife and 3 kids and cannot jeopardize them or their safety. Any input will be appreciated.

later and heavy lifting
Matt

kid if u r gonna do that **** then u might as well get the "juice" in ya as it is far better and it works, iv just finished my 1st bread in butter stack and have completed my post cycle, and iv got alot stronger now, but do your research first b4 u get into any serious ****

**matt_T** · 10-04-2002, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by power_just

kid

how old do you think i am?

**14powerlift** · 10-04-2002, 05:49 AM

yeah, the guy did say that he has a wife and kids.

Matt T- I'll take a stab and say 28?

**matt_T** · 10-04-2002, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by 14powerlift
yeah, the guy did say that he has a wife and kids.

Matt T- I'll take a stab and say 28?

nice try, 27.

matt

**14powerlift** · 10-04-2002, 06:06 AM

Damn, I'm ALMOST psychic.

**matt_T** · 10-04-2002, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by 14powerlift
Damn, I'm ALMOST psychic.

Watch out, Miss Cleo!!

**14powerlift** · 10-04-2002, 06:09 AM

So what are you going to do? Are you gonna try the prohormones? A lot of guys at other sites are saying that
MAG-10 is supposed to kick ass. I don't know what it is, but it's supposed to be the Godfather of prohormone supps.

**matt_T** · 10-04-2002, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by 14powerlift
So what are you going to do? Are you gonna try the prohormones? A lot of guys at other sites are saying that
MAG-10 is supposed to kick ass. I don't know what it is, but it's supposed to be the Godfather of prohormone supps.

I've been looking at Mag-10, and it looks promising, but is rather expensive.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/biot/mag10.html
You can look for yourself. I know some guys who have tried real gear and they say this is the closest legal thing they have come across. I was thinking maybe 4 weeks on Mag-10, then 4 weeks on 6-oxo and heavy creatine. Here is the link for 6-oxo:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/6oxo.html

**14powerlift** · 10-04-2002, 06:23 AM

I've also heard that this 1-test thing is supposed to be a form of real test but that a lot of stores have pulled it off of their shelves. It's still available, but I don't know where. A lot of guys at Animals website were making it and a lot of other prohormones into an injectible with a kit. It's supposed to be legal and more effective than oral forms. I personally do not like needles and couldn't inject myself every day, but others do/have done it and say it's like a weaker anabolic steroid. Me, I'm just gonna eat tons of good food and train like hell.

**matt_T** · 10-04-2002, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by 14powerlift Me, I'm just gonna eat tons of good food and train like hell. [/B]

In the end, that is the smartest option. Good luck and heavy lifting.

matt

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