Prepping for a cycle... M-DROL / H-DROL STACK (PH 1st timer log)

666_Jinx_999 · 12-23-2007, 01:16 PM

i am taking my first PH stack soon.

on cycle:
m-drol
h-drol
liver care
taurine
vit b5

pct:

H-bomb 4 (2 times recommended dosage) contains the following:
Deca like precusor 50mg
4-etioallocholen-3,6,17-trione 25mg
6, 17-keto-eticholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol 25mg
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene 25mg
6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) 50mg

liver care
milk thistle
taurine
vit b5

i tried getting nolvadex but i dont have a script to get some... and it seems pretty hard to get online... so i was told that h-bomb 4 has all the stuff i should need for a good pct.

in addition i will be taking lots of protien, bcaa, creatine, and multi-vits.

please if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it.

my cycle starts on jan 1st.

thanks, and advice is appreciated.

666_Jinx_999 · 12-23-2007, 02:31 PM

forgot to add i am going to be taking anabolic pump too!!!

vincehaveph8 · 12-23-2007, 04:08 PM

are you kidding?

zehn6612 · 12-23-2007, 05:08 PM

Are you for real??? Bro do some more research. Your first time and your stacking to methyls and no serm. You would be better off picking one or the other. Probably the h-drol since its not as harsh as the sd. Also a serm like nolva is very easy to obtain and alot cheaper than all the otc stuff you have listed. Not flaming you but you need to do alot more research.

666_Jinx_999 · 12-23-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zehn6612

Are you for real??? Bro do some more research. Your first time and your stacking to methyls and no serm. You would be better off picking one or the other. Probably the h-drol since its not as harsh as the sd. Also a serm like nolva is very easy to obtain and alot cheaper than all the otc stuff you have listed. Not flaming you but you need to do alot more research.

why would i be kidding???

i have done my research... have you done yours???

tell me how easy nolva is to get... pm me a link.

WantToBeStudly · 12-25-2007, 01:33 AM

good luck on these boards with that kind of attitude.....

leonidas300 · 12-25-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 666_Jinx_999

i am taking my first PH stack soon.

on cycle:
m-drol
h-drol
liver care
taurine
vit b5

pct:

H-bomb 4 (2 times recommended dosage) contains the following:
Deca like precusor 50mg
4-etioallocholen-3,6,17-trione 25mg
6, 17-keto-eticholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol 25mg
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene 25mg
6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) 50mg

liver care
milk thistle
taurine
vit b5

i tried getting nolvadex but i dont have a script to get some... and it seems pretty hard to get online... so i was told that h-bomb 4 has all the stuff i should need for a good pct.

in addition i will be taking lots of protien, bcaa, creatine, and multi-vits.

please if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it.

my cycle starts on jan 1st.

thanks, and advice is appreciated.

Stay away from research chem sites. You can get a 90 day supply of nolva legally from foreign pharmacies. Just search online a bit. You may not need nolva but it is nice to have on hand. Personally I will not use it and prefer Toremifine but that is just me.

dmangiarelli · 12-25-2007, 10:15 AM

You can do a PCT like this if you prefer to not use research chems

6 oxo tapered 4/3/2/1
DHEA 75/75/50/50
Activate Xtreme
Lean Xtreme 2.0

That should get your test restarted and keep the estrogen under control. There isn't much science out there either way to support PCT dosing or how it works, most is just bro-science. You don't "Need" a SERM but it is recommended for something like SD.

Here's a link with everything you need to read. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3296321

Read through the PCT links etc ...

666_Jinx_999 · 12-25-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

good luck on these boards with that kind of attitude.....

you're right, sorry... i am just frusterated by all this hush hush stuff about finding the right stuff for a proper pct... this is my first time and i want to make it a good experience.

btw i already found some tamox, 50ml of it. i guess i will use it up since i have it...

my pct as of now will be:

tamox 40/40/20/20
h-bomb 4 - 2/day
livercare
milk thistle
vit b5
dhea

i am going towards using h-drol only for my first cycle... them come summer use m-drol.

thanks for the input!!!

iiswtheroii · 12-26-2007, 05:38 PM

If you go hdrol, ill follow the log. Ive used other PH in the past, but nothing like hdrol. Im still reading up on this stuff seeing what else i need for my future cycle. Would you need any type of cycle support?

WantToBeStudly · 12-26-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by iiswtheroii

If you go hdrol, ill follow the log. Ive used other PH in the past, but nothing like hdrol. Im still reading up on this stuff seeing what else i need for my future cycle. Would you need any type of cycle support?

Yes, you always need cycle support. Be safe rather than sorry.

TPD01883 · 12-27-2007, 02:51 AM

I'm glad to see you decided to run only one. I think that's smart. Also if you were gonna stack 2 I personally don't think sd and h-drol would be the best to stack b/c they're both dry but thats just me. I'll be reading along. GL with your cycle bro. Also one more thing...Think about preloading hawthorn and running it through your cycle...This stuff did wonders for my bp. I made the mistake of not preloading it and suffered bad high bp for like a week and a half while i waited for it to kick in.

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TPD01883

I'm glad to see you decided to run only one. I think that's smart. Also if you were gonna stack 2 I personally don't think sd and h-drol would be the best to stack b/c they're both dry but thats just me. I'll be reading along. GL with your cycle bro. Also one more thing...Think about preloading hawthorn and running it through your cycle...This stuff did wonders for my bp. I made the mistake of not preloading it and suffered bad high bp for like a week and a half while i waited for it to kick in.

Right on

ZDub212 · 12-27-2007, 02:56 AM

Why would you use Anabolic Pump with steroids?

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

Why would you use Anabolic Pump with steroids?

wtf are you talking about

ZDub212 · 12-27-2007, 02:58 AM

What do you mean what do I mean? Exactly what I said.

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 03:03 AM

ok let me rephrase....who said anything about anabolic pump

ZDub212 · 12-27-2007, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

ok let me rephrase....who said anything about anabolic pump

Read the whole thread. Perhaps you'll find your answer then...try checking the second post.

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 03:04 AM

Never Mind

666_Jinx_999 · 12-27-2007, 12:06 PM

ok a little bit about my history:

i am 5'8" and am 197lbs @ 12.5%bf
lifting on and on for 10 years
never done any PH or AAS before

no health problems... resting pulse is 50, bp is 120/60. liver enzymes are spectacular.

i am 32 yrs old... i dont drink or smoke. i dont need to work, i am a full time college student (ex-military using gi bill). i am a trained medical professional and am a biology major two quarters away from my B.S..

i was looking around on these boards and saw this one guy that was completely stacked (huge)... he said he used both h-drol and m-drol togher. this is why i decided to do both... i know there are other products out there that have these thwo PH's in them - some with additional ones.

so i figured what the hell - balls to the walls right!!!

anyway... from my understanding anabolic pump increases nutrient flow into the muscles... if this will fascilitate an abundance of sugar and amino acids during protien synthesis then why not take it??????

to me thats like someone saying why take creatine when you're on steriods.

anyway... as stated before keep the drama for your mama... i am totally interested in solid advice... EXPERIENCE IS APPRECIATED.

thank you!!!

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 666_Jinx_999

i am 32 yrs old... i dont drink or smoke. i dont need to work, i am a full time college student (ex-military using gi bill). i am a trained medical professional and am a biology major two quarters away from my B.S..

I am getting the GI Bill and I still have to work

666_Jinx_999 · 12-27-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

I am getting the GI Bill and I still have to work

should have got the kicker bro!!!

ya cost of living is cheap and so is tuition... grants and scholorships help out too...

so "if" i took both h/m-drol together how should i dose?

dose and frequency.

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"better dead than 3rd Med" - OKINAWA (left THE ROCK in 1997), japan.

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 01:01 PM

I do get the kicker!

666_Jinx_999 · 12-27-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

I do get the kicker!

but you live in LA man... a studio is like $1200 a month lol!

i pay $400 a month for a one bedroom.

WantToBeStudly · 12-27-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 666_Jinx_999

i pay $400 a month for a one bedroom.

bitch

j/k

666_Jinx_999 · 12-27-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

bitch

j/k

LOL!!! get some!!!

what are you bitchin about anyway man tuition for community college is like $50 a crediet isnt it? unless you go to a UC or cal state then i feel for you man.

i use to live in glendale and i know how expensive it is... old town pasadena is the bomb though.... un mass chicks fina!!!!

TPD01883 · 12-28-2007, 12:19 AM

For m-drol / h-drol together I'd say go w/ something like this

Week 1: m-drol 10mg / h-drol 50mg every day
week 2: m-drol 10mg / h-drol 75mg every day
week 3: m-drol 20mg / h-drol 75mg every day
week 4: m-drol 20mg / h-drol 75mg every day

I've never taken either though so thats just from what I've read about how to dose the two. Most people would not dose m-drol over 30mg ever. and most would not dose h-drol over 100mg ever. So thats 1 less cap than max dose for each during your cycle.(you should not need to push the envelope with dose since you're taking 2 hormones) Also this 'max dose' is just kinda an average dose I've seen people end the last week of their cycles with. If I was you, I'd just run m-drol solo though. M-drol is already kinda balls to the wall by itself.

Honestly I'm stacking two methyl's right now and i'm doing ok. But I'm also monitoring my blood pressure and I'm going to have a blood test done in another week to see how long i will continue the cycle. Don't underestimate the harshness of m-drol. I underestimated how harsh pplex would be at 30mg and had some really high bp for awhile.

666_Jinx_999 · 12-28-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TPD01883

For m-drol / h-drol together I'd say go w/ something like this

Week 1: m-drol 10mg / h-drol 50mg every day
week 2: m-drol 10mg / h-drol 75mg every day
week 3: m-drol 20mg / h-drol 75mg every day
week 4: m-drol 20mg / h-drol 75mg every day

I've never taken either though so thats just from what I've read about how to dose the two. Most people would not dose m-drol over 30mg ever. and most would not dose h-drol over 100mg ever. So thats 1 less cap than max dose for each during your cycle.(you should not need to push the envelope with dose since you're taking 2 hormones) Also this 'max dose' is just kinda an average dose I've seen people end the last week of their cycles with. If I was you, I'd just run m-drol solo though. M-drol is already kinda balls to the wall by itself.

Honestly I'm stacking two methyl's right now and i'm doing ok. But I'm also monitoring my blood pressure and I'm going to have a blood test done in another week to see how long i will continue the cycle. Don't underestimate the harshness of m-drol. I underestimated how harsh pplex would be at 30mg and had some really high bp for awhile.

how would you space those doses throughout the day... btw i am also taking cycle support, along with livercare and extra milk thistle.

ZDub212 · 12-28-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 666_Jinx_999

ok a little bit about my history:

i am 5'8" and am 197lbs @ 12.5%bf
lifting on and on for 10 years
never done any PH or AAS before

no health problems... resting pulse is 50, bp is 120/60. liver enzymes are spectacular.

i am 32 yrs old... i dont drink or smoke. i dont need to work, i am a full time college student (ex-military using gi bill). i am a trained medical professional and am a biology major two quarters away from my B.S..

i was looking around on these boards and saw this one guy that was completely stacked (huge)... he said he used both h-drol and m-drol togher. this is why i decided to do both... i know there are other products out there that have these thwo PH's in them - some with additional ones.

so i figured what the hell - balls to the walls right!!!

anyway... from my understanding anabolic pump increases nutrient flow into the muscles... if this will fascilitate an abundance of sugar and amino acids during protien synthesis then why not take it??????

to me thats like someone saying why take creatine when you're on steriods.

anyway... as stated before keep the drama for your mama... i am totally interested in solid advice... EXPERIENCE IS APPRECIATED.

thank you!!!

Stacking two methyls is balls to the wall?

Balls to the small...seems more correct. Anabolic Pump + steroids is an odd combo. It's just extra money spent...also, many report lethargy on M-Drol...adding AP to this is not a good idea IMO.

If you've never done any AAS yet...don't go stacking harsh compounds which you don't know too much about. Research...after awhile, take one...not both.

WantToBeStudly · 12-28-2007, 12:34 AM

You aint in Cali anymore....where'd you skip off to

Here is an example of a double Superdrol / Phera stack I think might serve you well. I think this is preferable; less sides and longer so you have more time to build. It should also be less harsh on your liver. Remember, you only have one liver for life.....thats it!!! Also I've heard other people suggest that if you go longer like this your body becomes more used to having muscle and won't part with it so easily - of course you must still do a proper PCT. Be sure to run cycle support all through this, preferably starting two weeks early. But if you just want to jump in and start right away be sure to also order the cycle support with it; cycle support has ingredients including hawthorn berry and others which will help keep blood pressure low and stable. And if you still have some extra money lying around pick up some Thermolife liver longer. It's $40 so I don't know if you want to spend that kind of money, but if you have the extra cash just go ahead. Here is the link:

http://www.tfsupplements.com/store/c...t_detail&p=489

Good luck and get big!!!!