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    slander & false accusations of stealing (yes serious and yes reps)

    I remember reading awhile ago that a store isn't allowed to accuse someone of stealing. Last nite I went to Toys R' Us (toy store) cause my friend had to buy a present for someone and another had to use the bathroom

    I was with 3 other people (1 white, 2 black, this is important). I walked in with my white freind cause the 2 other kids were taking awhile to come in. We waited inside at the front of the store with no problems and then the two black kids walked in. Three ladies who worked there at the front of the store stared the **** out of us, we brushed it off, sort of laughed about it. As were walking towards the bathroom, we see these ladies on walkie talkies, and there kinda followed us a bit, I just laughed and hyped up my other freinds that they were talking about us on there walkie talkies and following us.

    We got to the bathroom and the security guy kicks in the door, and starts hurrassing us saying we should "make it less obvious when we're trying to steal". He also says hes not just security but a cop (he didn't pull out a badge or anything, pretty sure it was a bluff). After him realizing were just a bunch of innocent 18 year olds trying to use the bathroom, he leaves us alone and tells us earlier they had 4 people come in and steal from them (BS most likely). My thoughts are this is pretty racist, and my other thought is that I thought you can't accuse someone of stealing inside a store, for this reason especially.

    What exactly are the rules for accusing/slandering someone like that in a store? I know if they go about it wrong they could get a lawsuit so im curious (im not going to sue).

    edit: to make it clear, I have no desire at all to sue, but I am curious on what boundaries and limits these stores have, and thats what the point of my thread is. Im not going to sue someone over something little like this.

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    - me and 3 freinds went to store for presents and use the bathroom
    - got accused of stealing as I was in the bathroom
    - what are the grounds for accusing someone in a store like that?
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    Actually you could probably have a suit for discrimination, age and race discrimination are both going on there. Though it probably would be more trouble for you.

    And they need reasonable cause to approach you if they think you are stealing, which they don't seem like they had in your case.
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    You could probably sue, gay thing to do.. but if you want money go for it.
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    There is a lawsuit if it is discriminatory or if there is false imprisonment. There is such a thing called the shop-keepers privilege, if they honestly believe you may have taken something they may detain you for a short period of time. They will be given more slack during the holiday season, when everything is hectic and they are trying to protect their asses. I'm not a lawyer, and do not construe this as legal advice. You may wish to re-read what happened at toys-r-us, it was a bit more than accusations of stealing.

    And this is not age discrimination to whoever posted that above
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    You can't do anything, that I can tell you, even if they didn't have a legal right to accuse you. Middle finger and a **** you should be a sufficient response. If you didn't do anything, that can't do anything to you. (serious)
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    I think it would be difficult to prove anything wrong was done here. On either side. Just a sad fact of life that racism still exists...
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    I was one of the black people there ( I know YL in RL). Before we left we stated that we were buying it and not taking it to make the women at the counter feel like an ass hole.
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    Where was the racism (serious)?????

    It seems like someone just thought a bunch of adolescents were acting suspicious. Nothing to do with race. Was there something specific dealing with race?
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    Originally Posted by SCDiesel23 View Post
    There is a lawsuit if it is discriminatory or if there is false imprisonment. There is such a thing called the shop-keepers privilege, if they honestly believe you may have taken something they may detain you for a short period of time. They will be given more slack during the holiday season, when everything is hectic and they are trying to protect their asses. I'm not a lawyer, and do not construe this as legal advice. You may wish to re-read what happened at toys-r-us, it was a bit more than accusations of stealing.

    And this is not age discrimination to whoever posted that above

    it seems pretty discriminatory based off age and race. We were accused of stealing and we didn't. Thanks for the response.

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    Where was the racism (serious)?????

    It seems like someone just thought a bunch of adolescents were acting suspicious. Nothing to do with race. Was there something specific dealing with race?
    I didn't dedicate the whole post to racism, but I did say it was a part of it. They were fine when it was me and my white friend in the store, and then when my black freinds walked in it became an issue. Like I said, could be becuase we were four young people, could be racist. I dont want to derail the thread, so take it as you want.
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    Actually, last year, if I remember correctly, a bunch of black people sued none other than Toys R Us for racial discrimination because security was apparently checking all the black people's receipts on their way out but not the white people's....Of course, who knows if this is true.

    I'd search for it and link it, but its almost Christmas and I'm too lazy....
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    Originally Posted by TheClips View Post
    Actually, last year, if I remember correctly, a bunch of black people sued none other than Toys R Us for racial discrimination because security was apparently checking all the black people's receipts on their way out but not the white people's....Of course, who knows if this is true.

    I'd search for it and link it, but its almost Christmas and I'm too lazy....
    This is true, it was an entirely different situation.
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    2 black guys and 2 white? Depends who they were harrasing I guess, but Toys R Us have major problems anyways, last time I went there with some friends, they made us leave our backpacks and bags at the front desk so we couldnt steal anything. Had to get some gay sticvkr with a numbr on it so we could collect them afterwards when we were leaving.
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    So...you think that store security can't question someone? And if they do, that person can then sue the store?

    Where do you guys get ideas like this?

    Then you actually went on to spend your money in the store??! You really showed them!
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    So...you think that store security can't question someone? And if they do, that person can then sue the store?

    Where do you guys get ideas like this?

    Then you actually went on to spend your money in the store??! You really showed them!
    calm down buddy, re-read my original post, i dont "think" anything, hence my thread. Did you even read right? He didnt question us, he ACCUSED us, its a pretty big difference in my books. and no one wants to sue lol what the hell did you get that from.

    once again, me and my freinds really coudln't care less, we weren't going to bust our asses to go to a different store, when it wasnt a big deal in the first place. So money spent in the store didn't bother anyone.
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    So...you think that store security can't question someone? And if they do, that person can then sue the store?

    Where do you guys get ideas like this?

    Then you actually went on to spend your money in the store??! You really showed them!
    Um why wouldn't you purchase something, thats the point of going into the store. It's not like the people at the register are making more money.

    And hes just asking what he could of done. If you don't know what discrimination means, you should look it up. Your not suppose to grab a walkie talkie and call for back up because someone is walking into Toys R US during Christmas time.
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    Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    calm down buddy, re-read my original post, i dont "think" anything, hence my thread. Did you even read right? He didnt question us, he ACCUSED us, its a pretty big difference in my books. and no one wants to sue lol what the hell did you get that from.

    once again, me and my freinds really coudln't care less, we weren't going to bust our asses to go to a different store, when it wasnt a big deal in the first place. So money spent in the store didn't bother anyone.
    Seems like you cared enough to post a thread asking if 'they could get a lawsuit', but I know you don't want to sue them...

    And i'm completely calm. I like threads like this, they give me a good chuckle.

    Originally Posted by Mrs Grudge View Post
    Um why wouldn't you purchase something, thats the point of going into the store. It's not like the people at the register are making more money.

    And hes just asking what he could of done. If you don't know what discrimination means, you should look it up. Your not suppose to grab a walkie talkie and call for back up because someone is walking into Toys R US during Christmas time.
    You were just insulted by the store's security personnel. Yet you decided that you would spend your money in the store anyway? Makes sense to me...

    And yeah, the employees don't make money because you spend money there, they get their money form the money-fairy at the end of every week...
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    i dont think you can be charged with stealing in the first place unless you actually walk out of the store with the merchandise.
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    Seems like you cared enough to post a thread asking if 'they could get a lawsuit', but I know you don't want to sue them...

    And i'm completely calm. I like threads like this, they give me a good chuckle
    Yeah, so I could expand my knowledge on the subject. It was more curiosity related, since as you can see, i made it perfectly clear I have no intentions to sue. So I still dont understand how it "seemed" like anything when in my post i stated "no intentions to sue". Also, with your post with grudge, who cares if stuff was bought there. It would be a immature thing to leave the store and buy it somewhere else, when we could just buy it there and put it behind us. Its not like they tried to kill us, its really not a big deal. Once again, my post was more about the topic as a whole, and less about the story.
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    At my store, we can't accuse anyone of stealing. We can make other remarks in hope they confess and don't leave. Hell, we can't even subdue or chase the people. If they run we have to contact security and the cops.. By then, most people are long gone and will never be caught.
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    You were just insulted by the store's security personnel. Yet you decided that you would spend your money in the store anyway? Makes sense to me...

    And yeah, the employees don't make money because you spend money there, they get their money form the money-fairy at the end of every week...
    Do you even know how security guards work? He's most likely from a firm, he has nothing to do with Toys R US. He sassed us because the women at the counter told him to. It's not like they have a special camp to train Toys R Us security guards.

    And why would people who work at the register make any money off of us buying something? They make money per hour, not base.
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    Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    Yeah, so I could expand my knowledge on the subject. It was more curiosity related, since as you can see, i made it perfectly clear I have no intentions to sue. So I still dont understand how it "seemed" like anything when in my post i stated "no intentions to sue". Also, with your post with grudge, who cares if stuff was bought there. It would be a immature thing to leave the store and buy it somewhere else, when we could just buy it there and put it behind us. Its not like they tried to kill us, its really not a big deal. Once again, my post was more about the topic as a whole, and less about the story.
    Actually, the mature thing to do would have been to leave the store and spend your money elsewhere.

    If it were me, I would have left the store and I would never spend any of my money in a toys r us again.

    But that's just me.

    Anyway, I haven't ever worked store security, but I'm sure they have their profiles. Four teenagers walking into any store are gonna get alot of attention from the security people.
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    Actually, the mature thing to do would have been to leave the store and spend your money elsewhere.

    If it were me, I would have left the store and I would never spend any of my money in a toys r us again.

    But that's just me.

    Anyway, I haven't ever worked store security, but I'm sure they have their profiles. Four teenagers walking into any store are gonna get alot of attention from the security people.

    Thats not what Im even arguing against. It is there jobs and they do have certain rights for that. But do they have a right to say right off the bat "you guys are stealing" or "make it less obvious when you steal" ? It seems you read the first paragraph of my post, and decided to come here and rip on the situation than fully read into it.
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    Originally Posted by Mrs Grudge View Post
    Do you even know how security guards work? He's most likely from a firm, he has nothing to do with Toys R US. He sassed us because the women at the counter told him to. It's not like they have a special camp to train Toys R Us security guards.

    And why would people who work at the register make any money off of us buying something? They make money per hour, not base.
    ...

    The people in the store don't make their money based on sales in the store? Strong knowledge of the retail industry?!

    So you're saying if the store has a bad year, they won't lay workers off, or close the store completely?
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    Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    Thats not what Im even arguing against. It is there jobs and they do have certain rights for that. But do they have a right to say right off the bat "you guys are stealing" or "make it less obvious when you steal" ? It seems you read the first paragraph of my post, and decided to come here and rip on the situation than fully read into it.
    I read the whole story. Basically you're angry that a security guard thought you were stealing.

    You want to know if the store can be sued for the security guard saying he thought you were stealing...

    About right?
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    I read the whole story. Basically you're angry that a security guard thought you were stealing.
    You want to know if the store can be sued for the security guard saying he thought you were stealing...

    About right?
    Not really. What I want to know is "What exactly are the rules for accusing/slandering someone like that in a store". My situation once agian really doesn't matter in what I was asking, but it was an example of what happened to me. And if you knew all of this, then what was the point of your original post in this thread. Specfically "So...you think that store security can't question someone? And if they do, that person can then sue the store?

    Where do you guys get ideas like this?" Since you clearly got that part wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    Not really. What I want to know is "What exactly are the rules for accusing/slandering someone like that in a store". My situation once agian really doesn't matter in what I was asking, but it was an example of what happened to me. And if you knew all of this, then what was the point of your original post in this thread. Specfically "So...you think that store security can't question someone? And if they do, that person can then sue the store?

    Where do you guys get ideas like this?" Since you clearly got that part wrong.
    Ahh, I see now.

    What you want to know is, can a store security guard question someone about stealing, and if they do, can that person sue the store because they feel they were insulted?

    Clearly I had it wrong in my first reply...
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    Originally Posted by The Thing View Post
    Ahh, I see now.

    What you want to know is, can a store security guard question someone about stealing, and if they do, can that person sue the store because they feel they were insulted?

    Clearly I had it wrong in my first reply...
    dictionary.com to look up the difference between questioning and statements.
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    Get his name, have him write down his accusations and sign it. Ask for any proof they have that you have stolen. Inform the store manager. Contact a lawyer and sue for profits!
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