Jungle Warfare the True

[DR.Q]

I am a Danish doctor who works for the past 3 years in an hospital in Bangkok ,
I train in a local GYM and Bodybuilding was always my favor sport since I was a teenager,
I recently bought JW after a long consideration since all the rumors that going on ,
I got the red bottle with blue capsules ,
I added "Liver Support - Perfect Cycle" , to JW since JW has 17a-methyl structure which put him in
the C17 alpha alkylated group and that mean It absolutely will stress the liver to a
certain degree , do not confuse "methyl" and "17a-methyl" which refer to the 17 alpha position ,
structure that would be notably resistant to breakdown by the live ,
I also added Niacin (B3) to keep my HDL as high as possible.
(I attached here JW pic , and all test result but please wait and read every thing first to be able to understand the results)

Any how since I don't what to take any chances with my body I decided to run
blood test in 3 different points in the cycle and since I am a doctor it is no a problem for me to do so ,
The first (before use) and the third (at the end) will be the same test - liver enzymes(AST,ALT) and lipid profile ,
The second test after 14 days will be Total Testosterone and Estrodiol value , and that will determine if it's a steroid or not
and let me explain , if JW is a Pro hormone or a steroid , base on Testosterone structure it will increase Total Testosterone
right a way , that's mean if I take one capsule and check my Total Testosterone after 2-3 hours it will be much more
higher then the usual , how ever if it is not the exact same structure it will be undetected in the test and that's way I wanted to
wait 14 days , and let me explain here , once you present an androgenic component to the body it will suppress the production of his own Testosterone (even if it is not the same structure), so after 14 days Total Testosterone will be much less then the usual , how much less is depend on how androgenic the component is , and the dose you are taking , I didn't check my Total Testosterone right before I started because I checked it many times before and mostly it is around 5.75 ng/mL (in the US it will be equal to 575), and for example after the use of 6-OXO for 2 weeks my test was 8.4 ng/mL, after the use of Nolvedex XT for 4 weeks my test was 11.0 ng/ml , and my Estradiol value was under 20 , the usual value of my Estradiol is around 30 ,
I done the test after 12 days , I took one dose in the morning and another after 4 hours waited 2 hours and done the test ,
the results came the day after but I was so busy with my shifts in the hospital I took the results after 7 days (Day 19),
I was shock when I saw the results , I was left with quarter of my own test production , which were 1.70 ng/mL,
it was clear to me right a way that the component in JW is a strong suppressive and PCT will be needed ,
I was so pissed off , this was supposed to be clear noted from **** side , on every Website
There is no doubt here Jungle Warfare is a designer steroid !!! and PCT and other caution should be taken while using this stuff ,
I saw people's reviews and logs that saying "No PCT is needed" or "this is a good product to take between cycles"
you should understand that 8 weeks with this stuff without a good PCT can cause reduce sperm count and male fertility for good,
This is not a stuff for use between cycles and it should be treated as all AAS ,
Now I know there lots of guys will say I was not suppress and had good results with JW ,
How do you know you were not suppress ? did you do blood test ? you have to understand that testicular atrophy (testicle shrinkage)
will not necessarily occur in all cases and most likely will happen with component like Anadrol 50 or Dianabol or Test which are
super suppressive and strong , and you have to understand that good results are a point on a scale , same as bad can be good
compare to very bad this supplement show good result compare to natural Testosterone booster but compare Epistane or
Havoc or any other AAS this give very poor result and will be a poor choice to go with ,
Since **** knew that , they decided to market this as a natural booster and since Natural Supplement don't need PCT
they had no choose and to lie , this is how I see this .
Now the other test I did liver enzymes(AST,ALT) and lipid profile , (See attached file)
liver enzymes were higher by 30% & 50% then baseline and that after using Liver Support , so Liver support is absolutely needed,
and as for lipid profile my HDL (the good cholesterol) went down significantly as will happen with all oral steroids ,
it went from 50 mg/dl to 33mg/dl (below the normal range) , even that I was taking Niacin (B3) which is the best supplement
to rise your HDL , and keep you lipid profile in check ,
Please note that low HDL in long terms can lead to cardiovascular disease , so be aware ,
LDL was left at the same range 129 to 126 and my Total cholesterol went done from 182 to 168 and that probably due to a low
cholesterol diet I was on ,

Jungle Warfare is not a weak steroid , it is a steroid with weak anabolic potency ,
weak steroid will not suppress you that much , for example Anavar 10mg per day will probably give the same or better
results then JW with not suppression at all , we treat patients with wasting syndromes with 0.1mg per every body kg ,
but to be able to see mass results you will have to go with 20mg to 30mg a day but then it will suppress your own Testosterone
production , but please note that as a doctor I do not recommend using any kind of steroids , and this kind of treat is given
to patients with HIV or cancer only.

For all of you guys who used this in the past and didn't do PCT and didn't take other cautions , you should be consult with your doctor
and at least should check Total Testosterone , liver enzymes and lipid profile (HDL) , even if you used it a year ago.

If you still choose to use this then follow this :
* Take at least 5 to 6 gram of fat with ever dose you take , oral steroids need fat to be able to absorb ,
do not take it with your protein shack , especially if you mix it with water or non fat milk ,
all fats will be ok except MCTs
* Do not use Saw Palmetto or any thing that will reduce conversion to DHT , this might lead to hormones imbalance
and can end in gynecomastia , Jungle Warfare have 5A in his structure which mean 5-Alpha reduced ,
lack the capacity to interact with DHT convert enzyme , in other word it should not convert to DHT , and when shout down occur
you might be left with too low DHT compare to Estradiol which can lead to hormones imbalance .
* Take Liver Support
* Take Niacin (B3) with multi vitamin or B complex , with your meals
* Take at least a 1000mg of Vitamin C
* Plenty of good Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs)
* Up your calories slowly by +500 or +1000 from complex crabs
* PCT is absolutely needed.

Choose your PCT wisely , in those days you might need a PCT to your PCT , and it is not a joke !

Hope that helps
Dr. Q.

[fmrazoroller]

interesting and well written post

[Ases]

Interesting post!

[AronP24]

strongest 1st post of all time

[rub81]

I want coments by the gurus on this

[1st RD TKO]

Originally Posted by AronP24

strongest 1st post of all time

and that's an understatement

[ObedEdom]

Originally Posted by rub81

I want coments by the gurus on this

me too...man, I appreciate the insight doc...reps for that

[Musclefever]

so bascially its better to go with havoc or any other ds instead of jw..

[jeremyleinen]

wow... sounds like i probably wont be taking that again.

[Fitsho]

this unfortunately reiterates what most of us here on bb.com already knew about JW. But it is an eye-opener to many none the less. Good post!

[purefitness]

sticky?

[fitnfirm]

Dr. Q you should post that here as well http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...splay.php?f=51

You may get some answers from **** as that is the only forum they frequent nowdays.




Thanks for the interesting information.

[BigBen85]

makes me wonder whats actually in all of the other **** ive taken....

[BigBen85]

make me wonder whats in everything else ive taken...

[Insulin Ihsaan]

very imformative post, definatly epic first post material

[Xander]

Interesting read!

[JGiannotti]

lol @ complex crabs

[Fitsho]

Originally Posted by JGiannotti

lol @ complex crabs

he's Danish, give him a break

[jeremyleinen]

to anybody in the know...

I just finished the remainder of a bottle I had(about 2 and a half weeks worth) about 2 weeks ago.

What steps do I need to take now? Restore? A liver support formula? Powerfull?

[Coolio10]

great post...very informative

[kanny]

is it true that the stuff that makes jungle warfare so good is the ingredient called "stinging nettle root"? and u can purchase it separately in health stores and get pretty much the same effect?

[BigBen85]

Originally Posted by kanny

is it true that the stuff that makes jungle warfare so good is the ingredient called "stinging nettle root"? and u can purchase it separately in health stores and get pretty much the same effect?

i work at a GNC and the only ppl i see coming in to get it are old guys (at least 50) saying how it is good for the prostate im not sure what its other uses r tho

[DinoT1985]

Originally Posted by kanny

is it true that the stuff that makes jungle warfare so good is the ingredient called "stinging nettle root"? and u can purchase it separately in health stores and get pretty much the same effect?

Also known as Urtica Dioica, the divanil compound of it is the important bit. Though I wouldn't say its the only thing. Divanil is a very good ingredient.

[Xander]

Just curious, I know a lot people suggest to start with a light ph cycle as your first cycle. Would this be something now that one would take as a light cycle?

[FORCE RECON]

awesome

[fitnfirm]

Originally Posted by VPXSports

he's Danish, give him a break

Hmmmmm a danish sounds good right now

[Gmoney112]

Originally Posted by kanny

is it true that the stuff that makes jungle warfare so good is the ingredient called "stinging nettle root"? and u can purchase it separately in health stores and get pretty much the same effect?

No. it's the steroid that's in it

[cal62887]

Awesome read


Scribed

[Ace28]

Originally Posted by DR.Q

I am a Danish doctor who works for the past 3 years in an hospital in Bangkok ,
I train in a local GYM and Bodybuilding was always my favor sport since I was a teenager,
I recently bought JW after a long consideration since all the rumors that going on ,
I got the red bottle with blue capsules ,
I added "Liver Support - Perfect Cycle" , to JW since JW has 17a-methyl structure which put him in
the C17 alpha alkylated group and that mean It absolutely will stress the liver to a
certain degree , do not confuse "methyl" and "17a-methyl" which refer to the 17 alpha position ,
structure that would be notably resistant to breakdown by the live ,
I also added Niacin (B3) to keep my HDL as high as possible.
(I attached here JW pic , and all test result but please wait and read every thing first to be able to understand the results)

Any how since I don't what to take any chances with my body I decided to run
blood test in 3 different points in the cycle and since I am a doctor it is no a problem for me to do so ,
The first (before use) and the third (at the end) will be the same test - liver enzymes(AST,ALT) and lipid profile ,
The second test after 14 days will be Total Testosterone and Estrodiol value , and that will determine if it's a steroid or not
and let me explain , if JW is a Pro hormone or a steroid , base on Testosterone structure it will increase Total Testosterone
right a way , that's mean if I take one capsule and check my Total Testosterone after 2-3 hours it will be much more
higher then the usual , how ever if it is not the exact same structure it will be undetected in the test and that's way I wanted to
wait 14 days , and let me explain here , once you present an androgenic component to the body it will suppress the production of his own Testosterone (even if it is not the same structure), so after 14 days Total Testosterone will be much less then the usual , how much less is depend on how androgenic the component is , and the dose you are taking , I didn't check my Total Testosterone right before I started because I checked it many times before and mostly it is around 5.75 ng/mL (in the US it will be equal to 575), and for example after the use of 6-OXO for 2 weeks my test was 8.4 ng/mL, after the use of Nolvedex XT for 4 weeks my test was 11.0 ng/ml , and my Estradiol value was under 20 , the usual value of my Estradiol is around 30 ,
I done the test after 12 days , I took one dose in the morning and another after 4 hours waited 2 hours and done the test ,
the results came the day after but I was so busy with my shifts in the hospital I took the results after 7 days (Day 19),
I was shock when I saw the results , I was left with quarter of my own test production , which were 1.70 ng/mL,
it was clear to me right a way that the component in JW is a strong suppressive and PCT will be needed ,
I was so pissed off , this was supposed to be clear noted from **** side , on every Website
There is no doubt here Jungle Warfare is a designer steroid !!! and PCT and other caution should be taken while using this stuff ,
I saw people's reviews and logs that saying "No PCT is needed" or "this is a good product to take between cycles"
you should understand that 8 weeks with this stuff without a good PCT can cause reduce sperm count and male fertility for good,
This is not a stuff for use between cycles and it should be treated as all AAS ,
Now I know there lots of guys will say I was not suppress and had good results with JW ,
How do you know you were not suppress ? did you do blood test ? you have to understand that testicular atrophy (testicle shrinkage)
will not necessarily occur in all cases and most likely will happen with component like Anadrol 50 or Dianabol or Test which are
super suppressive and strong , and you have to understand that good results are a point on a scale , same as bad can be good
compare to very bad this supplement show good result compare to natural Testosterone booster but compare Epistane or
Havoc or any other AAS this give very poor result and will be a poor choice to go with ,
Since **** knew that , they decided to market this as a natural booster and since Natural Supplement don't need PCT
they had no choose and to lie , this is how I see this .
Now the other test I did liver enzymes(AST,ALT) and lipid profile , (See attached file)
liver enzymes were higher by 30% & 50% then baseline and that after using Liver Support , so Liver support is absolutely needed,
and as for lipid profile my HDL (the good cholesterol) went down significantly as will happen with all oral steroids ,
it went from 50 mg/dl to 33mg/dl (below the normal range) , even that I was taking Niacin (B3) which is the best supplement
to rise your HDL , and keep you lipid profile in check ,
Please note that low HDL in long terms can lead to cardiovascular disease , so be aware ,
LDL was left at the same range 129 to 126 and my Total cholesterol went done from 182 to 168 and that probably due to a low
cholesterol diet I was on ,

Jungle Warfare is not a weak steroid , it is a steroid with weak anabolic potency ,
weak steroid will not suppress you that much , for example Anavar 10mg per day will probably give the same or better
results then JW with not suppression at all , we treat patients with wasting syndromes with 0.1mg per every body kg ,
but to be able to see mass results you will have to go with 20mg to 30mg a day but then it will suppress your own Testosterone
production , but please note that as a doctor I do not recommend using any kind of steroids , and this kind of treat is given
to patients with HIV or cancer only.

For all of you guys who used this in the past and didn't do PCT and didn't take other cautions , you should be consult with your doctor
and at least should check Total Testosterone , liver enzymes and lipid profile (HDL) , even if you used it a year ago.

If you still choose to use this then follow this :
* Take at least 5 to 6 gram of fat with ever dose you take , oral steroids need fat to be able to absorb ,
do not take it with your protein shack , especially if you mix it with water or non fat milk ,
all fats will be ok except MCTs
* Do not use Saw Palmetto or any thing that will reduce conversion to DHT , this might lead to hormones imbalance
and can end in gynecomastia , Jungle Warfare have 5A in his structure which mean 5-Alpha reduced ,
lack the capacity to interact with DHT convert enzyme , in other word it should not convert to DHT , and when shout down occur
you might be left with too low DHT compare to Estradiol which can lead to hormones imbalance .
* Take Liver Support
* Take Niacin (B3) with multi vitamin or B complex , with your meals
* Take at least a 1000mg of Vitamin C
* Plenty of good Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs)
* Up your calories slowly by +500 or +1000 from complex crabs
* PCT is absolutely needed.

Choose your PCT wisely , in those days you might need a PCT to your PCT , and it is not a joke !

Hope that helps
Dr. Q.

What kind of PCT do you recomend? Nolva? Or something like Restore or 6 Oxo?

[hill23]

LOL I guess I got Lucky...