I'll get this one, put it on my card
I get frequent flyer mileage
And a booklet of upgrades
So next time I visit the third world
I won't have to fly second class
Journal: currently doing westside for skinny bastards. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4009573
Perfect . Now you can make yourself 2 "lever bars" from the ends, and some dumbbell handles or chin bar from the bar stock in the middle, while waiting for your new bar. This is what a "lever" bar looks like in case you were wondering http://www.newyorkbarbells.tv/0120.html Happy Training
Don't complicate things by making things complicated.....
You can't. Just to add a little humor here; I have a bar I bet you can't bend!!
Check out the Ivanko web site and look up the competition OBX-20kg. It is rated at 202,000 psi. There is a picture on the site of Shane Hamman making a world record squat of 1008# using this same bar. With your kind of strength at 15 maybe you should consider purchasing one of these!!!
I've seen these bars bend before. When you do squats that can cause them to bend. If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. It would take a while to do but I've seen it multiple times.
I've seen these bars bend before. When you do squats that can cause them to bend. If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. It would take a while to do but I've seen it multiple times.
Yeah but if you're serious about training, especially while using heavier weights, why would you buy a 500lb test bar in the first place?
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Yeah but if you're serious about training, especially while using heavier weights, why would you buy a 500lb test bar in the first place?
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A bent bar is definitely time for an upgrade.
Thanks David4. Lets clarify things for Smokeater a little. First a 500# bar has no meaning. Ivanko rates their bars in tensile strength ie. 202,000 psi. This is the force required to pull the bar apart. There are only 4 companies that make bars rated at over 150,000 psi. All Ivanko olympic bars are straight to .015 over the entire length. Thats 15 thousankths of an inch over the entire length. I own a automotive machine shop and check and straighten crankshafts on a daily basis. I have checked my bar and it has a TIR of .007!!
So the question for Smokeater is what brand of bar was it? What was its rated tensile strength in psi? What was the amount of bend in thousands of an inch or TIR? As a final note a quote from IVANKO "years of testing and field experience has indicated to us that any bar under 190,000 psi will develop permanent bends over time, to avoid this you should look for bars rated at 190,000 psi and ideally over 200,000 psi.
Thanks David4. Lets clarify things for Smokeater a little. First a 500# bar has no meaning. Ivanko rates their bars in tensile strength ie. 202,000 psi. This is the force required to pull the bar apart. There are only 4 companies that make bars rated at over 150,000 psi. All Ivanko olympic bars are straight to .015 over the entire length. Thats 15 thousankths of an inch over the entire length. I own a automotive machine shop and check and straighten crankshafts on a daily basis. I have checked my bar and it has a TIR of .007!!
So the question for Smokeater is what brand of bar was it? What was its rated tensile strength in psi? What was the amount of bend in thousands of an inch or TIR? As a final note a quote from IVANKO "years of testing and field experience has indicated to us that any bar under 190,000 psi will develop permanent bends over time, to avoid this you should look for bars rated at 190,000 psi and ideally over 200,000 psi.
Great post CCONN.
For those who havent taken a gander over at ivanko's website, here's the article CCONN was referring to: http://www.ivanko.com/article4.pdf
Thanks David4. Lets clarify things for Smokeater a little. First a 500# bar has no meaning. Ivanko rates their bars in tensile strength ie. 202,000 psi. This is the force required to pull the bar apart. There are only 4 companies that make bars rated at over 150,000 psi. All Ivanko olympic bars are straight to .015 over the entire length. Thats 15 thousankths of an inch over the entire length. I own a automotive machine shop and check and straighten crankshafts on a daily basis. I have checked my bar and it has a TIR of .007!!
So the question for Smokeater is what brand of bar was it? What was its rated tensile strength in psi? What was the amount of bend in thousands of an inch or TIR? As a final note a quote from IVANKO "years of testing and field experience has indicated to us that any bar under 190,000 psi will develop permanent bends over time, to avoid this you should look for bars rated at 190,000 psi and ideally over 200,000 psi.
Clarify eh? lol. ok. If you two are done stroking each other.......
The pundage a bar has means something very significant. That is how the average person can guage the type of equipment they need. Tensile strength means something on the production line. It doesn't mean a damn thing to most people. 150,000.... 200,000......ok, and? When a company rates its bar in terms of the weight load it is designed to sustain a certain weight, we all know what they are talking about. You have specialized knowledge because of your field that enables you to understand what all these technical numbers mean. As far as I'm concerned, as are most people, you can keep your technical mumbo jumbo and just tell me how much the bar can take. In high school english I was taught that proper communication is making sure the people you're communicating with can understand you. When I am treating a patient who has an infection I don't explain the pathophysiology and cellular biology involved. I put things into terms that the average person can understand. How would you like it if your doctor actually told you what was wrong with you, and didn't put things into a very simple explanation that you could understand?
It's easy to see what Ivanko is doing. They are creating statistics that only they use. A very small percentage of the buying market understand how PSI relates to poundage strength on a 3/4" bar when used for squats or bench press. They use numbers that nobody else on the market really uses to make themselves seem impressiveAnd then they charge $400 for a bar that is overkill. Why buy a BMW when a Honda will suit your needs? You want to be flashy and buy a name and advertising, more power to you. Of course Ivanko is going to recommend something that only they sell, that is called good marketing. And you seem to have bought it hook, line, and sinker. Most people have absolutely no need for a bar that is used for competition, which a 200,000psi bar is. Most lifters will never lift more than 500lbs so an economic bar is suitable for them.
I've had my $70, 1000lb bar for 4 years and it hasn't bent or been deformed that I can see. And if I can't visualize it then it's fine. Until I can position my body to the exact thousandth of an inch I don't think .015 will make much of a difference. I think I'll stick with that, thanks. You can spend your mortage payment on a barbell that you don't need.
That comment was quite unnecessary, and you have been neg repped for it.
You seem like you "know" everything there is to know about life and bars, so there's no point in trying to argue with you.
Sorry I didn't blow sunshine up your ass like you may have been expecting. You are way too sensitive. I'm afraid to think of how you would have reacted if I had actually said something bad. :S
Sorry I didn't blow sunshine up your ass like you may have been expecting. You are way too sensitive. I'm afraid to think of how you would have reacted if I had actually said something bad. :S
Why are you in such a bad mood? Did your boyfriends rubber break in your a$$ again???? I see you're still up to your old negativity. Tsk Tsk. You're as dumb as ever. Oh well, you asked for it........C);>})
"Now, when it's killing time, there ain't no better boy than your dumb white country Southerner. Those boys can shoot and got brains the size of fleas." - Jack Payne / from the book "Point of Impact" by Stephen Hunter.
I've seen these bars bend before. When you do squats that can cause them to bend. If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. It would take a while to do but I've seen it multiple times.
I will only reply to this once. The comment you made above said "I've seen these bars bend before". So you are telling me you have seen an Ivanko OBX-20kg bend over time. Why don't you send me that bar because Ivanko will replace it. Then you go on to say you have seen a 500# bar bend. My statement was that I bet he could not bend my Ivanko bar, not a cheap 500# bar. I have seen bars rated at 300#, 500#, 1000# etc. If this is such a simple rating system what does it mean and how is it determined? Lets see does a 500# bar mean that if I put 501# on it that it will break or not come back to straightness. Ivanko is the only USA company that makes an olympic bar rated at over 150,000 psi. The other three are Schnell of Germany, Eleiko of Sweden, And Uesaka of Japan. I can easily explain to you what tensile strength means. If you take a bar rated at 200,000psi and put it in say a hydraulic press supported on both ends with v-blocks and apply a force of 200,000 lbs it will break. I believe it was Eleiko that puts 4000# on each end of their bars and then checks to see if it comes back to straightness tolerance. To quote you again "The pundage (pundage?) a bar has means something very significant." What does it mean? It means nothing and varies between different brands. You also said that nobody else in the market uses these numbers which is wrong all three of the company's mentioned above do!! I like fine craftsmanship in all my tools (including weight lifting tools). And I don't drive a BMW I drive a McClaren F1. Also I don't have a mortgage payment. You know if people would just stick to the facts they know and not make statements that they have no idea is true; long replies like this would not be needed. Also I could care less how cheap the bar you use is. Remember just because you lift weights doesn't mean you can't read and learn.
Ivanko is the only USA company that makes an olympic bar rated at over 150,000 psi. The other three are Schnell of Germany, Eleiko of Sweden, And Uesaka of Japan. I can easily explain to you what tensile strength means. If you take a bar rated at 200,000psi and put it in say a hydraulic press supported on both ends with v-blocks and apply a force of 200,000 lbs it will break.
Now let me explain something to you.
If you take a 1 inch diameter round bar rated at 200,000 psi would actually have a cross sectional area of approximately 0.7853 sq inches thus giving a breaking force (assuming the rating is an ultimate tensile strength) of approximately 157060 lbs.
Originally Posted by CCONN86031
And I don't drive a BMW I drive a McClaren F1. Also I don't have a mortgage payment. You know if people would just stick to the facts they know and not make statements that they have no idea is true; long replies like this would not be needed. Also I could care less how cheap the bar you use is. Remember just because you lift weights doesn't mean you can't read and learn.
F1 hey?...yeah sure.
You do know that "your" F1 is powered by an engine designed and built by BMW dont you?
Oh, and I dont have a mortgage either, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
You gotta love how sports will f*ck with ya, make you believe you can come back from an insurmountable deficit and then get kicked right in the nuts when you're almost there - Bluntdogg
Why are you in such a bad mood? Did your boyfriends rubber break in your a$$ again???? I see you're still up to your old negativity. Tsk Tsk. You're as dumb as ever. Oh well, you asked for it........C);>})
Yup. "Smokeater" is back to his same old DUMB a$$ tricks again. They must have kicked him out of the "gay" forums.
I will only reply to this once. The comment you made above said "I've seen these bars bend before". So you are telling me you have seen an Ivanko OBX-20kg bend over time. Why don't you send me that bar because Ivanko will replace it. Then you go on to say you have seen a 500# bar bend. My statement was that I bet he could not bend my Ivanko bar, not a cheap 500# bar. I have seen bars rated at 300#, 500#, 1000# etc. If this is such a simple rating system what does it mean and how is it determined? Lets see does a 500# bar mean that if I put 501# on it that it will break or not come back to straightness. Ivanko is the only USA company that makes an olympic bar rated at over 150,000 psi. The other three are Schnell of Germany, Eleiko of Sweden, And Uesaka of Japan. I can easily explain to you what tensile strength means. If you take a bar rated at 200,000psi and put it in say a hydraulic press supported on both ends with v-blocks and apply a force of 200,000 lbs it will break. I believe it was Eleiko that puts 4000# on each end of their bars and then checks to see if it comes back to straightness tolerance. To quote you again "The pundage (pundage?) a bar has means something very significant." What does it mean? It means nothing and varies between different brands. You also said that nobody else in the market uses these numbers which is wrong all three of the company's mentioned above do!! I like fine craftsmanship in all my tools (including weight lifting tools). And I don't drive a BMW I drive a McClaren F1. Also I don't have a mortgage payment. You know if people would just stick to the facts they know and not make statements that they have no idea is true; long replies like this would not be needed. Also I could care less how cheap the bar you use is. Remember just because you lift weights doesn't mean you can't read and learn.
I wish you could see how foolish you look. Do you work for Ivanko? Or are you just a brand name nuthugger?
As I said, your numbers mean something on the production line but it ends there. As I said, my 1000lb bar has withstood 4 years of use. I do squats every week and typically put somewhere in the mid-300 range on the bar. It was made by a little no-name company in China. And as you said, it is not made to the specs that Ivanko says a bar should be. Well I've had this bar for 4 years and the bar is just fine. So my experience proves that you don't need a 200,000psi bar. The bars you are speaking of are used for competition purposes where the guys are squatting 800+. That is gross overkill. And you mentioned Ivanko says that people should only be using bars rated over 150,000? Then why do they manufacture and sell a residential bar rated at only 60,000? I guess they don't believe their own research. You may not be able to bend an Ivanko commercial bar, but I doubt you could bend my no-name bar either. Unless you are squatting the 4000lbs that you made reference to.
BTW, I don't care what you drive and if you have a mortage or not. Those were illustrations that I used to make my point. I'd think anybody with a 10th grade education would understand that. If you want to piss away hard earned money for a product you don't need, feel free. Salespeople love customers like you. I loved rich idiots like you who bought all the advertising and spent all kinds of money on stuff they didn't need. Made me lots of money.
"Why don't you send me that bar because Ivanko will replace it"
Ya, I'll get right on that. That comment is about as stupid as telling a 15yr old to purchase a $400 barbell.
Now let me explain something to you.
If you take a 1 inch diameter round bar rated at 200,000 psi would actually have a cross sectional area of approximately 0.7853 sq inches thus giving a breaking force (assuming the rating is an ultimate tensile strength) of approximately 157060 lbs.
F1 hey?...yeah sure.
You do know that "your" F1 is powered by an engine designed and built by BMW dont you?
Oh, and I dont have a mortgage either, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
yeah,for once you're right, you did get OWNED Smokey Boy. Whenever I read your comment's, I do it in a really GAY voice and it sounds just right. You come across like the most rump wrangling, tush trespasser, I ever heard!
"Now, when it's killing time, there ain't no better boy than your dumb white country Southerner. Those boys can shoot and got brains the size of fleas." - Jack Payne / from the book "Point of Impact" by Stephen Hunter.
I've seen these bars bend before. When you do squats that can cause them to bend. If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. It would take a while to do but I've seen it multiple times.
My original statement was this "I have a bar I bet you can't bend". Then I went on to describe the bar. Now read your reply above. "I've seen these bars bend before".What bars are you talking about? My bar or the bar you go on to describe? "If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. " If you are talking about your $70, 500lb. bar I would agree. If you are talking about my bar my bet still stands. By the way if you think nothing else is rated by tensile strength the next time you go to the hardware store to buy a bolt notice the marks on top. A grade 5 bolt will have three marks on top and stands for a grade 5 bolt which has a minimum spec for tensile strength. A grade 8 bolt is higher. Most racing connecting rod bolts are rated at least 190,000 psi. Yes the Ivanko bar did cost $400 but I consider it a lifetime investment. If you think my bar is expensive why don't you ask Dinotrainer how many bars he has that cost over $300. Maybe my bar is overkill to you , but to me it is just a well made bar I can depend on. By the way maybe you should take all your bent squat bars and make lever bars out of them as Dinotrainer suggested.
My original statement was this "I have a bar I bet you can't bend". Then I went on to describe the bar. Now read your reply above. "I've seen these bars bend before".What bars are you talking about? My bar or the bar you go on to describe? "If a 500lb bar is constantly loaded with 300+lbs it can bend over time. " If you are talking about your $70, 500lb. bar I would agree. If you are talking about my bar my bet still stands. By the way if you think nothing else is rated by tensile strength the next time you go to the hardware store to buy a bolt notice the marks on top. A grade 5 bolt will have three marks on top and stands for a grade 5 bolt which has a minimum spec for tensile strength. A grade 8 bolt is higher. Most racing connecting rod bolts are rated at least 190,000 psi. Yes the Ivanko bar did cost $400 but I consider it a lifetime investment. If you think my bar is expensive why don't you ask Dinotrainer how many bars he has that cost over $300. Maybe my bar is overkill to you , but to me it is just a well made bar I can depend on. By the way maybe you should take all your bent squat bars and make lever bars out of them as Dinotrainer suggested.
CCONN, dont worry about what the idiot Smokeyboy say's,he's got the brain of a flea. He bought a BLOW-Flex machine($$$$) and complains about the price of a well made barbell? I think he's got it backwards. One of those BLOW- Flex rubber bands must have smacked him in the cranium, thats why he cant think straight. If you read his other posts, he's like a Black Cloud around the forums, flaunting his pompous,ignorance, and sheer contrary opinions. His new name should be "Contrary Mary".
"Now, when it's killing time, there ain't no better boy than your dumb white country Southerner. Those boys can shoot and got brains the size of fleas." - Jack Payne / from the book "Point of Impact" by Stephen Hunter.
Now let me explain something to you.
If you take a 1 inch diameter round bar rated at 200,000 psi would actually have a cross sectional area of approximately 0.7853 sq inches thus giving a breaking force (assuming the rating is an ultimate tensile strength) of approximately 157060 lbs.
F1 hey?...yeah sure.
You do know that "your" F1 is powered by an engine designed and built by BMW dont you?
Oh, and I dont have a mortgage either, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
I was trying to simplify things for Smokeater. The formula for Tensile Strength is TS= Load #/cross sectional area in square in. You are correct. You also forgot to include the fact that the bar must be placed in tension in other words pulled apart. Note the standard test bar size is .505 in diameter. This makes the psi calculation easy.You simply take the applied load that the test bar was pulled apart at and multiply by 5 to get tensile strength in psi. I guess I should have used a simpler example of how Eleiko test their bars. Each bar is placed in a vice and bent with a hydraulic jack subjecting it to 2000#. No bar will ever be bent that much in weightlifting! The bar must spring back to a staightness, with a max deviation of no more than .020".The sleeve ends are then tested but with 5000# and must return to .010". Thanks for the comment so I could clarify the rating system.
CCONN, dont worry about what the idiot Smokeyboy say's,he's got the brain of a flea. He bought a BLOW-Flex machine($$$$) and complains about the price of a well made barbell? I think he's got it backwards. One of those BLOW- Flex rubber bands must have smacked him in the cranium, thats why he cant think straight. If you read his other posts, he's like a Black Cloud around the forums, flaunting his pompous,ignorance, and sheer contrary opinions. His new name should be "Contrary Mary".
Thanks Newbydubie if I had known he had a Bowflex I would'nt have answered at all. I guess those 300# squats were on the Bowflex and he bent one of the rubber bands instead of a bar.
CCONN, dont worry about what the idiot Smokeyboy say's,he's got the brain of a flea. He bought a BLOW-Flex machine($$$$) and complains about the price of a well made barbell?
What a joker. Did he seriously buy a bowflex ($1,000+ equipment)?
CCONN made a GREAT investment. In fact, the most used/most important equipment in a home gym, or any gym at that, is the BAR. CCONN can afford a good quality (and when i say good quality, i mean one of the BEST) bar. Why hassle him about it? I'm sensing a bit of jealousy coming from smokeater's post.
Smokeater, do you have a powerrack at home? If so, load up your "$70 1,000lb" rated bar with 500lbs. Then drop it onto the safety catches of your powerrack from back height (something that can easily happen when you train by yourself at home). Then tell me whether or not your "1,000lb rated" bar holds up.
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. Now you can make yourself 2 "lever bars" from the ends, and some dumbbell handles or chin bar from the bar stock in the middle, while waiting for your new bar. This is what a "lever" bar looks like in case you were wondering 
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