In bulking, we gain muscle mass (and some fat) because of food or weights

[cardiac]

In bulking, we gain muscle mass (and some fat) because of

1. we r eating more food for muscle to grow?
2. we r lifting heavier (???)
3. other reasons?

[DJAuto]

Originally Posted by cardiac

In bulking, we gain muscle mass (and some fat) because of

1. we r eating more food for muscle to grow?
2. we r lifting heavier (???)

1.

It's all intercorrelated.

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

1.

It's all intercorrelated.

intercorrelated. OK.
So, in cutting, we lose fat (and some muscle mass) because
1. we eat less so fat is losing
2. we lift lighter??

[DJAuto]

Originally Posted by cardiac

intercorrelated. OK.
So, in cutting, we lose fat (and some muscle mass) because
1. we eat less so fat is losing
2. we lift lighter??

#1 again. I wouldn't recommend lifting lighter during a cut.

IMO, a successful cut is one in which strength is gained and extremely little if any muscle is lost while bodyfat levels drop.

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

#1 again. I wouldn't recommend lifting lighter during a cut.

IMO, a successful cut is one in which strength is gained and extremely little if any muscle is lost while bodyfat levels drop.

Yes, definitely that is a ideal cut!
But how come? so, we r still lifting the same weights as in bulking?

[GoJu]

you grow in the kitchen because of what you do in the gym

[DJAuto]

Originally Posted by cardiac

Yes, definitely that is a ideal cut!
But how come? so, we r still lifting the same weights as in bulking?

Progression should be constant.

Just because you are cutting is not an excuse to be lifting lighter or less intense than normal.

[W8isGR8]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

1.

It's all intercorrelated.

I had to read that word about 6 times to see if it was even a real word, lol

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by GoJu

you grow in the kitchen because of what you do in the gym

Wow.. that is a nice phrase!

Ur growth in the kitchen depends on what u do in the gym!

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

Progression should be constant.

Just because you are cutting is not an excuse to be lifting lighter or less intense than normal.

OK.

[MIKES3]

Originally Posted by cardiac

Wow.. that is a nice phrase!

Ur growth in the kitchen depends on what u do in the gym!

I think that should be the other way around

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by MIKES3

I think that should be the other way around

So, what u gain in the gym depends on what u eat in the kitchen?

[MR]

Originally Posted by cardiac

So, what u gain in the gym depends on what u eat in the kitchen?

...you're getting real warm, now

[GoJu]

Originally Posted by MIKES3

I think that should be the other way around

why? you can eat all you want but if you don't workout to compensate you're just going to be a fatass.

and I personally don't think what you eat makes a difference in the gym, I gain size and strength whether or not I'm eating clean or dirty.

[MIKES3]

Originally Posted by GoJu

why? you can eat all you want but if you don't workout to compensate you're just going to be a fatass.

and I personally don't think what you eat makes a difference in the gym, I gain size and strength whether or not I'm eating clean or dirty.

so you are saying that if you eat all carbs an ZERO protein you will make gains? Impossible

[DJAuto]

Originally Posted by GoJu

and I personally don't think what you eat makes a difference in the gym, I gain size and strength whether or not I'm eating clean or dirty.

+ **** loads of fat.

[GoJu]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

+ **** loads of fat.

didn't say I didn't gain some fat


mike23 - where did I say I ate 0 protein, I eat alot of protein, I also eat alot of carbs too

I'm just saying you're not going to grow in the kitchen (well you will grow into a fatass) if you're not doing anything in the gym

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by GoJu

didn't say I didn't gain some fat


mike23 - where did I say I ate 0 protein, I eat alot of protein, I also eat alot of carbs too

I'm just saying you're not going to grow in the kitchen (well you will grow into a fatass) if you're not doing anything in the gym

Yeah, but Mike is saying u r not going to grow ideally no matter how hard it is u r doing in the gym if u dont do it right in the kitchen.

[RU4A69]

Originally Posted by cardiac

So, what u gain in the gym depends on what u eat in the kitchen?

No it doesn't work that way. If you overtrain or undertrain (rare) the grocery store isn't gonna fix that.

[GoJu]

Originally Posted by cardiac

Yeah, but Mike is saying u r not going to grow ideally no matter how hard it is u r doing in the gym if u dont do it right in the kitchen.

and I'm saying you're NOT going to grow or gain any strength no matter how much you eat if you're not hitting it hard in the gym, and if I had to pick one it would be weights and obviously alot of food, this isn't quatum physics here; lift heavier AND eat more than you need to and you'll grow bigger and stronger.

[CoorsLight]

its both 1. and 2. you eat more and lift heavier to gain muscle mass

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by CoorsLight

its both 1. and 2. you eat more and lift heavier to gain muscle mass

Yeah, what about losing fat?
U eat less and still lift heavier?

[CoorsLight]

Originally Posted by cardiac

Yeah, what about losing fat?
U eat less and still lift heavier?

when i cut down fat i only eat a little less and more clean and add in cardio 3 times a week, but always lift strong and heavy.

[Mr_Slim]

Originally Posted by cardiac

In bulking, we gain muscle mass (and some fat) because of

1. we r eating more food for muscle to grow?
2. we r lifting heavier (???)
3. other reasons?

very basic explanation:

when you lift weights, you're breaking down the muscles. they then repair, and depending on other inputs such as food, how hard you trained, sleep etc. they will usually grow back slightly bigger.

so if you train and don't eat, you'll grow, but very slowly. if you eat, but don't train, you'll just get fat.

in regards to heavier weights making you bigger... there is debate. some people will say 6 reps is awesome for mass, some say 5. some say 10-12 is the best rep range to get the pump and the muscle breakdown. try for yourself and see your results. i know for me for instance, 12 reps gets results for size.

good luck with it mate!

[jasraj_k]

hmmmmm

[lancs_hotpot]

More food = heavier weights lifted + food = growth

[Retardo-pex]

Originally Posted by cardiac

In bulking, we gain muscle mass (and some fat) because of

1. we r eating more food for muscle to grow?
2. we r lifting heavier (???)
3. other reasons?

Both because both.

[Tommy W.]

Just remember that eating way too much even if you're training to your max won't put any more muscle on than eating around 500 cals over maintenence will. You can only gain so much muscle per month no matter what. Too many cals will just be stored as fat and cause a longer cutting period where there is no growth taking place.

Forget this if you're jucin' ;-)

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by Tommy W.

Just remember that eating way too much even if you're training to your max won't put any more muscle on than eating around 500 cals over maintenence will. You can only gain so much muscle per month no matter what. Too many cals will just be stored as fat and cause a longer cutting period where there is no growth taking place.

Forget this if you're jucin' ;-)

Ahhh.. Agreed.
But what happen if I eat more (not too much), but still lift the same weights?

[spirit3530]

Originally Posted by cardiac

Ahhh.. Agreed.
But what happen if I eat more (not too much), but still lift the same weights?

then you have failed