HALODROL health warning

[HelpingH]

Good Question-Anyone?

Please follow the instructions on the box - that is why they are there.


BK

[bigfed56]

hey helping h just wanted to say i'm going to try halo-50 and see what type of results i get i myself think gn don't get the respect it deserves but like i said i'm going to try it out. i did a week superdrol cuycle a month ago got great results gained 14 pound of muscle i hope i can gain more on h-50 but with less side like stated i will be taking liver protection on h-50 just for my own piece of mind and to make sure i got all ground covered . thank for the info and one more question i read claims about a nother product call Finigenx Magnum and i was wondering how h-50 competes against thats.

[robbah99]

What dosage of Novedex XT do you recommend for PCT. Any other PCT supps?
PCT length?

[rich24km]

thanks for the info Big Cat and thanks BK for releasing the chemical, i've had money waiting to buy and wouldn't till i had this knowledge. I'll be ordering up.

[secondsight]

Halodrol 50 = 4-chlorodehydromethylandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol; 50mg per tablet.

Happy now?

Yes, much happier. I think now that the active compound is known, more people will buy since it not such an unknown anymore.

[kappaz]

Does anyone plan on starting a log in the next few weeks with this?

[allforspeed]

just follow a normal pct schedule, do a seach and you will find thousands

[david4zero8]

i myself think gn don't get the respect it deserves but like i said i'm going to try it out.

They need more presence on this board.

[force_]

Interesing, an OT "precursor". Truth be told I have always wanted to try the real OT but it is hard to find since there are only a couple manufacturers and it is not cheap by any means..I may actually have to give halo-50 a try to see what happens.
Big cat, thanks for doing what you do bro ...some of us do appreciate your efforts and If I hadnt read through this thread I would have never even considered using this product.

F.

[priority]

Interesing, an OT "precursor". Truth be told I have always wanted to try the real OT but it is hard to find since there are only a couple manufacturers and it is not cheap by any means..I may actually have to give halo-50 a try to see what happens.
Big cat, thanks for doing what you do bro ...some of us do appreciate your efforts and If I hadnt read through this thread I would have never even considered using this product.

F.

agreed, nice job big cat.

[Fedaykin]

I do not have access to a scanner so I can only copy what is in front of me. I know some of you are going to say, "well, you probably just made it up" but if I had a scanner I could make up a bogus set with Photoshop too - so believe them or do not...I have complete sets on 2 people and 1 partial set on another.


Anyhow...

Subject 1 was a 34 year old male, 6'3" and 222# when he started (no BF available). He took H-50 for 28 days at 50mg per. He claims to have been clean for over a year.

Labs Before -


ALT 45 IU/L
AST 31 IU/L

Cholesterol 182 mg/dL
Triglyceride 140 mg/dL
HDL 36 mg/dL



Labs on Day 28

ALT 64 IU/L
AST 40 IU/L

Cholesterol 196 mg/dL
Triglyceride 166 mg/dL
HDL 23 mg/dL


weighed in at 234 pounds in Day 28. Gain of 12 pounds.


Subject 2 was a 6'6', 320 pound guy (at our booth at the "O") and he took 2 per day (against my advice)

Labs Before -


ALT 58 IU/L
AST 32 IU/L

Cholesterol 202 mg/dL
Triglyceride 178 mg/dL
HDL 36 mg/dL



Labs on Day 28

ALT 88 IU/L
AST 62 IU/L

Cholesterol 220
Triglyceride 181 mg/dL
HDL 21 mg/dL


weighed in at 340 pounds in Day 28. (gain of 20 pounds)

Subject 3 was 5'8" and 175 pounds at the start and had never used any type of gear, legal or otherwise-

Labs before

ALT 20 IU/L
AST 18 IU/L

Did not get lipids done

Labs on Day 28

ALT 44 IU/L
AST 36 IU/L

Did not get lipids done.

This guy weighed 208 pounds when he was done (well it was his virgin cycle) for a gain of 33 pounds. Not bad.


BK

Thank you BK. It is so much easier and more likeable this way. IF someone posts a good log on this stuff I might add it to my stash for later use(I have been stocking up pre-ban).

[xGhostinGx]

Wow BK, very impressive bloodwork. I guess Im used to seeing M1T or SD.

[kingmob]

This stuff sounds very promising. I would be willing to give it a go, although I was set to do a Superdrol cycle within the next few weeks.

OT is some potent stuff, and since the toxicity is so much lower, this appeals to me.

I wouldn't mind finding out what a PCT/diet should look like approximately while on H-50. About the same as with everything else?

Are the gains pretty dry?

I have virgin receptors right now, so I want my first cycle to give me some good results.

[siegler]

I have designed every GN product except SP-250. Yes, I am staying on. I had a lot of fun with SizeOn (I think it is the best cell volumizer out there but I am of course biased).We are retooling 3DB to make the fat burner even better than it already is (and it is pretty damn good now) - look a new name for the fat burner after the first of the year.

We are also working (alpha test phase) of a new lipolytic that works by a totally different mechanism than effecting adrenergic chemicals or uncoupling. This one is really a winner - it's going to take a lot of people by surprise and the only reason it is not out now is I want to wait until we have 100% patent protection for it (blame the USPTO for the delay).

Of course there is Novedex XT - the best PCT available OTC bar none.

I like working with Rich and Joe Babick who is our capsule/tablet/powder person from Phoenix/Pinnacle. The three of us work together very well and Joe was the guy who helped Scott Chinery make Cybergenics what it was in its heyday - he knows the industry well.

We're working on an exit strategy for the hormonal stuff. We're done with it.
Too much heat. Although we have launched pretty mild ones (Orastan was not methylated and H-50, despite being methylated and working very well has a lot fewer side effects than SD or Erg LMG).

Gaspari is blowing way up - we are in VW, VS, GNC and expanding into Europe, Canada and the Far East now.

Selling the steroids in Europe will cost you your freedom.

As far as the supplements are concerned, in my opinion H-50 is just a unclassified drug.

As a foodscientist and with a business partner who has a background in Biology, Biochemistry and Toxicology... (Msc.)

I cannnot wait to hear more about your "supplemental innovations" .

Sofar SuperPump50™ looks to us as something Harry Potter might have formulated... at least one of the ingredients will work. But than 98% of the players in this sports nutrition industry are playing the same fiddle.

Please tell me how do you formulate these products ? Aren't you using too little of certain ingredients and could'nt you leave certain ingredients out..? As a former protege of the Late Dan Duchaine.. you do really need to do better that this.

[flashstang04]

I plan on starting a log around thanksgiving if everything goes well. I will post eating habits, wk out frequency, and pct. The guy the gained 30 lbs is encouraging isn't he.

[screwbol]

Interesing, an OT "precursor". Truth be told I have always wanted to try the real OT but it is hard to find since there are only a couple manufacturers and it is not cheap by any means..I may actually have to give halo-50 a try to see what happens.
Big cat, thanks for doing what you do bro ...some of us do appreciate your efforts and If I hadnt read through this thread I would have never even considered using this product.

F.

I don't know how close this is to OT, I was under the impression that it was more of a variant rather than a pre-cursor. Still, OT at the cheapest (or at least what I've paid) is ~dollar per 10mg, which is 150 bucks a month if you dose it at 50mg per day (an effective dose) If halodrol-50 turns out to be as similar to OT as it sounds then its a great buy. I know many aren't fans of OT but it has always done me well, permanent lean mass and strength gains with virtually no sides. I like it better than any other orals and it actually improves my mood unlike the other designer supps (SD, EMax, etc.) available. Only Dbol is better, IMO.

[Big Cat]

I don't know how close this is to OT, I was under the impression that it was more of a variant rather than a pre-cursor. Still, OT at the cheapest (or at least what I've paid) is ~dollar per 10mg, which is 150 bucks a month if you dose it at 50mg per day (an effective dose) If halodrol-50 turns out to be as similar to OT as it sounds then its a great buy. I know many aren't fans of OT but it has always done me well, permanent lean mass and strength gains with virtually no sides. I like it better than any other orals and it actually improves my mood unlike the other designer supps (SD, EMax, etc.) available. Only Dbol is better, IMO.

Wow, you are getting ripped off :s And no it IS a precursor, its a 3b-hydroxyl compound that would likely have several hundred-fold lower binding affinity for the androgen receptor. It needs conversion to a 3-keto steroid to become active, which yields actual Oral-Turinabol. The effects of the products should be very much alike, you will simply require a higher dose of Halodrol than of OT.

[jrkarp]

Hmm.

Bruce's comments indicate that it is an active compound similar to OT, and doesn't mention it being a precursor. I wonder what he has to say about this...

I'm not saying who is right or wrong, since I have no idea. Either way, we need to find out.

[Big Cat]

Bruce's comments indicate that it is an active compound similar to OT, and doesn't mention it being a precursor. I wonder what he has to say about this...

I'm not saying who is right or wrong, since I have no idea. Either way, we need to find out.

Find out what ? a 3-keto group or similar (like the nitrogen in stanozolol) is needed to bind and activate the androgen receptor (Ojasoo and Raynaud, 1978). Not only is there ample evidence to suggest that 3-hydroxyl groups, while very androgen specific (Ojasoo, Raynaud and Dore, 1995) , bind with several hundred times less affinity than do their 3-keto counterparts. Added hydroxylation is also a means of increasing glucuronidation and disposal of a compound.

[rich24km]

I just ordered haladrol 50, i'm still patching up a rotator cuff tear. I dunno how long it'll be before i lift again, but i'm gonna do a superdrol cycle, then phera, then halodrol. With atleast 90 days apart. i won't have a log for a while. Problably be january before i can hit the gym hard again, then i'll have to wait to get back to where i was before i start cycling.

[force_]

Wow, you are getting ripped off :s And no it IS a precursor, its a 3b-hydroxyl compound that would likely have several hundred-fold lower binding affinity for the androgen receptor. It needs conversion to a 3-keto steroid to become active, which yields actual Oral-Turinabol. The effects of the products should be very much alike, you will simply require a higher dose of Halodrol than of OT.

You guys have no idea how good you have it as far as $ and OT, Its very expensive in Canada!!!
If I ever tried running OT I was going to do 50mg/day and in that case I would prolly run at least 75-100mg of halodrol since it is less potent, even though Gsapari says 50mg only. The only thing is I dont think Halo is available here in CAN yet and seriously doubt it would get across the border, but Im sure it will turn up here eventually.

F.

[david4zero8]

I do not have access to a scanner so I can only copy what is in front of me. I know some of you are going to say, "well, you probably just made it up" but if I had a scanner I could make up a bogus set with Photoshop too - so believe them or do not...I have complete sets on 2 people and 1 partial set on another.


Anyhow...

Subject 1 was a 34 year old male, 6'3" and 222# when he started (no BF available). He took H-50 for 28 days at 50mg per. He claims to have been clean for over a year.

Labs Before -


ALT 45 IU/L
AST 31 IU/L

Cholesterol 182 mg/dL
Triglyceride 140 mg/dL
HDL 36 mg/dL



Labs on Day 28

ALT 64 IU/L
AST 40 IU/L

Cholesterol 196 mg/dL
Triglyceride 166 mg/dL
HDL 23 mg/dL


weighed in at 234 pounds in Day 28. Gain of 12 pounds.


Subject 2 was a 6'6', 320 pound guy (at our booth at the "O") and he took 2 per day (against my advice)

Labs Before -


ALT 58 IU/L
AST 32 IU/L

Cholesterol 202 mg/dL
Triglyceride 178 mg/dL
HDL 36 mg/dL



Labs on Day 28

ALT 88 IU/L
AST 62 IU/L

Cholesterol 220
Triglyceride 181 mg/dL
HDL 21 mg/dL


weighed in at 340 pounds in Day 28. (gain of 20 pounds)

Subject 3 was 5'8" and 175 pounds at the start and had never used any type of gear, legal or otherwise-

Labs before

ALT 20 IU/L
AST 18 IU/L

Did not get lipids done

Labs on Day 28

ALT 44 IU/L
AST 36 IU/L

Did not get lipids done.

This guy weighed 208 pounds when he was done (well it was his virgin cycle) for a gain of 33 pounds. Not bad.


BK

BK

A good question arose over at AM. Did any of the testers use support supplements during their cycle, such as Red Yeast Rice/CoQ10, NAC, Milk thistle, Hawthorne Berry, etc?

[Big Cat]

You guys have no idea how good you have it as far as $ and OT, Its very expensive in Canada!!!
If I ever tried running OT I was going to do 50mg/day and in that case I would prolly run at least 75-100mg of halodrol since it is less potent, even though Gsapari says 50mg only. The only thing is I dont think Halo is available here in CAN yet and seriously doubt it would get across the border, but Im sure it will turn up here eventually.

I personally don't use steroids and can't afford to be involved in the illicit trade thereof. I was making a general statement, that internationally OT normally sells cheaper than that.

[force_]

I personally don't use steroids and can't afford to be involved in the illicit trade thereof. I was making a general statement, that internationally OT normally sells cheaper than that.

Sorry BC, my bad for assuming.

F.

[Big Cat]

Sorry BC, my bad for assuming.

No sweat, I just stated that for the record.

[jrkarp]

I personally don't use steroids and can't afford to be involved in the illicit trade thereof. I was making a general statement, that internationally OT normally sells cheaper than that.

I believe you that you don't use them, but I thought they were legal in your country?

[Big Cat]

I believe you that you don't use them, but I thought they were legal in your country?

They are illegal in all 25 EU countries, Belgium included. Except for Greece and Spain, procuring them nationally is equally difficult as it is in the US. I have past experience with that aplenty, having trained many ahletes who were chemically enhanced.

I'm not a competing athlete anymore, nor do I have the right mindset to ever be a truly talented bodybuilder, that is the sole reason I don't use them. I don't believe anyone who hasn't reached their natural limit should use steroids, and live by that creed as well.

[jrkarp]

Ah... For some reason I thought they were legal over there. I'm not familiar with EU laws, and I am especially unfamiliar with how much control individual countries have over their own laws (i.e., if certain laws are "mandated"). Are they illegal in all 25 EU countries because the EU mandates it, or were they already illegal?

EDIT: I see that Romania is applying to be a member... Many of the illicit steroids in this country come from there.

[Big Cat]

Ah... For some reason I thought they were legal over there. I'm not familiar with EU laws, and I am especially unfamiliar with how much control individual countries have over their own laws (i.e., if certain laws are "mandated"). Are they illegal in all 25 EU countries because the EU mandates it, or were they already illegal?

EDIT: I see that Romania is applying to be a member... Many of the illicit steroids in this country come from there.

I think the EU mandates it. Control of these laws will vary from country to country. Here in Belgium doctors get audited if they prescribe one too many sustanon, and you need a note from your GP AND your ob-gyn to get something like nolvadex, very strict. The same laws apply in Spain for instance, and you couldn't just go to madrid or barca and purchase steroids, but apparently in some smaller towns you can still go to the pharmacia and walk out with your steroids, no script needed. But as more and more pressure comes from the EU that will dissappear too.

[tryfuhl]

gaspari visited the manassas va vitamin shoppe that I used to be the 1st assistant at, I was out of town that day though