? for guys who've been on the sauce a while

[DanishThorn]

This is gonna get a bit personal, but here goes...

My husband used to be really into bodybuilding and used steroids for about 7 years pretty heavy. He cycled, but was almost always on something. Fastforward 10 years...we have grown up quite a bit and priorites have changed. He hasn't touched the stuff in a few years. My question is, will his sex drive ever come back? It seems like ever since he quite the juice he has lost all interest in sex. It really takes a lot to get him going. He doesnt have trouble "standing up", just not really into it before that point. He said he thinks its from the years of test, but is a little shy going to the doc. Anyone know if his test levels are just shot or if they will come back?

[FIVExFIVE]

If it's been 7 years, he's either got low test levels or some other psychological problem. Have him get his bloodwork done.

[resurrected]

Originally Posted by DanishThorn

This is gonna get a bit personal, but here goes...

My husband used to be really into bodybuilding and used steroids for about 7 years pretty heavy. He cycled, but was almost always on something. Fastforward 10 years...we have grown up quite a bit and priorites have changed. He hasn't touched the stuff in a few years. My question is, will his sex drive ever come back? It seems like ever since he quite the juice he has lost all interest in sex. It really takes a lot to get him going. He doesnt have trouble "standing up", just not really into it before that point. He said he thinks its from the years of test, but is a little shy going to the doc. Anyone know if his test levels are just shot or if they will come back?

I had the same problem and had to finally go to the doc and get a scrip for test. Besides this, age does sometimes make one disinterested as well.

[sideways1]

Originally Posted by FIVExFIVE

If it's been 7 years, he's either got low test levels or some other psychological problem. Have him get his bloodwork done.

agreed. have him go to the doctor to get full bloodwork done. tell him if he has low test and gets HRT he will feel much better and studies have also shown it to extend the lives of men who use it.

[DanishThorn]

Thanks. Are docs quick to prescribe HRT or do they tend to shy away from it? Seems to me that an ex "addict" would be the last candidate for test. I wouldnt mind him using steriods with a docs advice, I just wasnt too fond of the large amounts he used to use.

[sideways1]

they are notoriously slow to prescribe it. if he wants some tips for lowering his testosterone for the blood test, check out this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=blood+work

[Vadim Beliaev]

Originally Posted by DanishThorn

Thanks. Are docs quick to prescribe HRT or do they tend to shy away from it? Seems to me that an ex "addict" would be the last candidate for test. I wouldnt mind him using steriods with a docs advice, I just wasnt too fond of the large amounts he used to use.

If i were you i would not mention his past steroid usage.

Also which country are you from? In Europe docs will sometimes happily prescribe proviron which will cure his lack of sex drive very quickly without many adverse side effects.

[PG]

Originally Posted by sideways1

they are notoriously slow to prescribe it. if he wants some tips for lowering his testosterone for the blood test, check out this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=blood+work

x2

they'll probably try to prescribe Androgel

[DanishThorn]

We're in the U.S. Im not sure if he has already told his primary about his past, so maybe he should try a different doctor.

[fingersoup]

Don't go to an endocrinologist, go to a good anti again doctor... no need to mention past usage.

[sideways1]

Originally Posted by fingersoup

Don't go to an endocrinologist, go to a good anti again doctor... no need to mention past usage.

agreed, anti-aging is the best type to go to if your ins will cover it. they recognize the need for stable hormone levels instead of buying into all the hype

[The_Real_XN]

Originally Posted by DanishThorn

He doesnt have trouble "standing up", just not really into it before that point. He said he thinks its from the years of test, but is a little shy going to the doc.

I think you might be a little naive on this one. it would seem that the most intense impact -- the PED's/steroid use -- would be the obvious source of the problem. But he has no physiological problem PERFORMING, only a problem with INTEREST . . . so, it would sort of suggest that it is NOT mainly a physiological issue.

I think you may be confusing "horniness" with "ability." The two are different. He HAS the ability. But he is not feeling horny . . . Which means it may be the STIMULUS that is the problem.

Now, i am NOT saying it is YOU. But I AM saying that your husband may have been cheated out of knowing or learning what stimulus actually DOES work on him.

Think about it. he was on steroids for many years, and was horny. Well, VERY often an effect of steroids is heightened and RANDOM libido. In short, steroids have been known to make men horny for things that would OTHERWISE not even be a turn-on.

Testosterone, remember, clouds the brain, and causes aggressive decision making. Yes, in sex too. So, the mere mention of sex may have worked -- regardless of the quality or specificity of the stimulus.

In short, maybe what he is experiencing is in the OPPOSITE effect of the steroid use: i.e., that they made him hornier while he was using, so now his brain has no real "trigger" built-in to get him horny.

In short, steroids made him more of a f0ck machine, so preference or stimulus did not matter so much. Now that he does not HAVE the steroids, he is faced with having to figure out what the hell his preferences are . . . and it simply boils down to a question of them not being present.

With all due respect, by this line of logic he could even possibly be gay. I mean, if the steroids were making him horny, then they could also make his choices supercede his natural inclinations.

Whether gay and unaware due to steroids clouding his judgements, or simply unable to determine his stimulus, either way it is tough on you. I always warn women (and men for that matter) that steroids + relationships are trouble. We can go on and on about the safety of these chemicals, but the fact of the matter is that more and more of the evidence points to the logical conclusion: the GREATEST damages caused is psychological, and thus relational. And such damages can not be measured physiologically and claimed as "medically safe."

[raysmith]

So you've seen a good looking women's post, checked her past threads to seem 'helpful' and to get her attention but you didn't see the date?

[Mev]

LOL thats hilarious

[Gorilla34]

Originally Posted by raysmith

So you've seen a good looking women's post, checked her past threads to seem 'helpful' and to get her attention but you didn't see the date?

Originally Posted by Mev

LOL thats hilarious

yeah I was like....where the hell did this thread come from?

someone bumped a thread from 2003 the other day....WTF? LOL

[aleks1986]

Yeah thats pretty ****ed up

[Doc Mahns]

at least the search function is getting used

[zaqx]

Proviron is godsent hehe, he seem to lack "mental" libido time to spice things up you have been togheter for quite awhile after all.

But yea get bloodwork done.

[C. Griswald]

strong bump

[strength77]

Originally Posted by DanishThorn

This is gonna get a bit personal, but here goes...

My husband used to be really into bodybuilding and used steroids for about 7 years pretty heavy. He cycled, but was almost always on something. Fastforward 10 years...we have grown up quite a bit and priorites have changed. He hasn't touched the stuff in a few years. My question is, will his sex drive ever come back? It seems like ever since he quite the juice he has lost all interest in sex. It really takes a lot to get him going. He doesnt have trouble "standing up", just not really into it before that point. He said he thinks its from the years of test, but is a little shy going to the doc. Anyone know if his test levels are just shot or if they will come back?

Most likely he will test low for T. It happened to me after cycling for years. I think those that stop cycling after using for several years have a very hard time, if impossible time recovering totally. I had the test levels of a pre-pubescent girl LOL. His HPTA is probably shot like mine. I am 27 and on trt. I still produce SOME test naturally but its pathetically low. I even had two healthy boys after i stopped using AAS. I am done having kids so i do not care.

[FisherAK]

Yeah too bad nobody actually reads through the thread or looks at dates... OP hasn't even logged in since June...

[Clive Jones]

absolutely plays out like that i think..

even now with short years usage, when we are all off and recovered, i still think we experience slight decrease in wanting too, even though we obv love it and will whenever possible lol a slight small tiny decrease post cycle lol

[MacMan]

I'm 47 and started cycling when I was 40. Most of my cycles have been sensible, although I have run one pretty heavy and harsh cycle. I always do a proper PCT and follow the time equals time off at a minimum before I run my next cycle. I also always use HCG while on. Now during PCT and maybe for a month afterwards, my libido has suffered, but I have been able to rebound every time. I don't have blood tests to back it up, but I swear my sex drive seems stronger than ever before after proper PCT and a little time. At my age, that shouldn't be the case in less some form of up regulation or increased sensitivity is taking place.

If he ran proper PCT and reasonable cycles, I don't know if the blame can be put on his use. I've used both Tren and Deca as part of cycles in the past and still have been able to recover with a little time.

Getting a proper blood test should show relatively easily if he has low test levels or some other imbalance. If so, it should be able to be corrected and your two's quality of life should improve.

Generally, some women often blame themselves for this issue, as if they aren't attractive enough or able to turn their man on . In my experience, that is rarely the case. My lack of desire or performance issues have never been related to my wife, but have almost always been hormonal, psychological, or stress related.

[littlechris]

Originally Posted by The_Real_XN

I think you might be a little naive on this one. it would seem that the most intense impact -- the PED's/steroid use -- would be the obvious source of the problem. But he has no physiological problem PERFORMING, only a problem with INTEREST . . . so, it would sort of suggest that it is NOT mainly a physiological issue.

I think you may be confusing "horniness" with "ability." The two are different. He HAS the ability. But he is not feeling horny . . . Which means it may be the STIMULUS that is the problem.

Now, i am NOT saying it is YOU. But I AM saying that your husband may have been cheated out of knowing or learning what stimulus actually DOES work on him.

Think about it. he was on steroids for many years, and was horny. Well, VERY often an effect of steroids is heightened and RANDOM libido. In short, steroids have been known to make men horny for things that would OTHERWISE not even be a turn-on.

Testosterone, remember, clouds the brain, and causes aggressive decision making. Yes, in sex too. So, the mere mention of sex may have worked -- regardless of the quality or specificity of the stimulus.

In short, maybe what he is experiencing is in the OPPOSITE effect of the steroid use: i.e., that they made him hornier while he was using, so now his brain has no real "trigger" built-in to get him horny.

In short, steroids made him more of a f0ck machine, so preference or stimulus did not matter so much. Now that he does not HAVE the steroids, he is faced with having to figure out what the hell his preferences are . . . and it simply boils down to a question of them not being present.

With all due respect, by this line of logic he could even possibly be gay. I mean, if the steroids were making him horny, then they could also make his choices supercede his natural inclinations.

Whether gay and unaware due to steroids clouding his judgements, or simply unable to determine his stimulus, either way it is tough on you. I always warn women (and men for that matter) that steroids + relationships are trouble. We can go on and on about the safety of these chemicals, but the fact of the matter is that more and more of the evidence points to the logical conclusion: the GREATEST damages caused is psychological, and thus relational. And such damages can not be measured physiologically and claimed as "medically safe."

Dude, you are WAY over-analyzing this.

The guy doesn't have much of a sex drive. He has a long history of AAS use. He's natty levels are low, for sure.

It's as simple as that. If we wants a sex drive, he's going to need an Rx for proviron, HRT, or an 18-year-old fluffer.

[shortadonis]

Originally Posted by strength77

Most likely he will test low for T. It happened to me after cycling for years. I think those that stop cycling after using for several years have a very hard time, if impossible time recovering totally. I had the test levels of a pre-pubescent girl LOL. His HPTA is probably shot like mine. I am 27 and on trt. I still produce SOME test naturally but its pathetically low. I even had two healthy boys after i stopped using AAS. I am done having kids so i do not care.

^--- How many of the vets agree with this? The general consensus seemed to be cycle properly, and you will bounce back fine.

After a few prohormone cycles and one real injectable cycle my natty test levels bounced back to 740, measured about 8 months after PCT. I'd like to keep it this way.

Perhaps people just aren't taking enough time off to FULLY recover, and let their endocrine system regain a normal balance.

[YoungGunner24s]

Originally Posted by shortadonis

^--- How many of the vets agree with this? The general consensus seemed to be cycle properly, and you will bounce back fine.

After a few prohormone cycles and one real injectable cycle my natty test levels bounced back to 740, measured about 8 months after PCT. I'd like to keep it this way.

Perhaps people just aren't taking enough time off to FULLY recover, and let their endocrine system regain a normal balance.

Its well known some people bounce back, and some people get killed.

Its purely genetic. The guys that can bounce back, are the guys you hear about that abused everything for years and test out at 800 when they get bloodwork done. All genetics.

I think its black and white. Either you are a bounce back guy, or you aren't. The majority of us aren't, and can easily end up on HRT after just 1 cycle.

Obviously using heavy hitters on the HPTA like Deca and tren are going to weigh heavily on if you bounce back or not.

[MC Fresh]

does androgel work like regular roids when you have normal test?

[GETURSWELLON]

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

If i were you i would not mention his past steroid usage.

Also which country are you from? In Europe docs will sometimes happily prescribe proviron which will cure his lack of sex drive very quickly without many adverse side effects.

I agree.proviron works wonders.i'm having the same exact problem your husband is having right now but i'm also coming off of an eight month cycle so thats my own fault.i have NO sex drive what so ever right now,its pathetic

[chan_ho_nam]

Originally Posted by GETURSWELLON

I agree.proviron works wonders.i'm having the same exact problem your husband is having right now but i'm also coming off of an eight month cycle so thats my own fault.i have NO sex drive what so ever right now,its pathetic

Same here, I don't have problems having sex, I just don't want it as much. I work 2 jobs so when I do have time I'd rather be in the gym or sleeping....

[shortadonis]

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

Its well known some people bounce back, and some people get killed.

Its purely genetic. The guys that can bounce back, are the guys you hear about that abused everything for years and test out at 800 when they get bloodwork done. All genetics.

I think its black and white. Either you are a bounce back guy, or you aren't. The majority of us aren't, and can easily end up on HRT after just 1 cycle.

Obviously using heavy hitters on the HPTA like Deca and tren are going to weigh heavily on if you bounce back or not.

Any other opinions here? The MAJORITY of us aren't, and could end up on HRT after just 1 cycle?

Do you guys really think there are only a lucky few that bounce back? I thought it was the other way around, most bounce back and a few unlucky ones don't.