edit--i altered the title ^
hey,
i know this has been discussed tons of times in these forums, but i can't seem to find it using the search function. i really don't know what keywords to type in... i tried "abs" and "useless" and "pointless"... really didn't find much
now, i really have not worked my abs in over a year, but i might start training them again due to shoulder injuries... just to fill in the discrepencies in a new routine revised for my injuries. before i stopped, i used to train heavy though, heavy enough that i wouldn't get past 10 reps.
what i want to know is if it's practically useless to train the abs. i heard somewhere that it's a thin layer of muscle that's pretty much pointless to attempt to hypertrophy. if it's not worth it, i won't do it.
how about the obliques?
edit--to clarify, i would like to know if it is worth the effort to try to get the abdominals to hypertrophy. if i'm going to do so much work for very minimal results, it won't be worth it to me. any scientific research (articles etc) relating to abdominals and hypertrophy would be excellent.
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Thread: abdominal exercises pointless?
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10-20-2005, 01:18 PM #1
abdominal exercises virtually pointless for hypertrophy?
Last edited by quest-x; 10-20-2005 at 02:21 PM.
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10-20-2005, 01:21 PM #2
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10-20-2005, 01:23 PM #3
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10-20-2005, 01:27 PM #4Originally Posted by SPAM
anyway, i can already see my abs, and regardless i'm bulking and want to know if it's possible to make my abs grow or if it's a waste of effort to try.
W8isGR8 yeah that's what i figured. i just need some stuff to do while i'm healing my shoulders... lol
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10-20-2005, 01:27 PM #5Originally Posted by W8isGR8
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10-20-2005, 01:29 PM #6
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10-20-2005, 01:31 PM #7Originally Posted by quest-x
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10-20-2005, 01:31 PM #8
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10-20-2005, 01:31 PM #9
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10-20-2005, 01:34 PM #10Originally Posted by Bogaerts
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10-20-2005, 01:35 PM #11
Diet may be key in terms of appearance, but not in terms of performance. Core stability may not be at the top of everyone's list. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have it's place.
I thought training with heavy compounds would be sufficient. That was ten weeks ago until I got hurt. Only now am I in the position to start back, and I will forever more make sure that I pay proper attention to core work."Something witty and humorous"
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10-20-2005, 01:35 PM #12
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10-20-2005, 01:38 PM #13
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10-20-2005, 01:39 PM #14Originally Posted by quest-x
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10-20-2005, 01:45 PM #15
Just keep working at it man. I've been pushing for like 5 months now, constantly changing my diet and routine.
However, I have a question; I am now running on a treadmill for about 12 minutes at 5.3 mph. At this point, I get sweating pretty good, my heart pounds, and my legs feel really tight. Afterwards, I usually do some weighted crunches (about 3 sets of 10 reps) and some push-ups. I then drink a protein shake, and then I move on to a weight workout a few hours later. I do crunches and leg-raises throughout the day.
If I keep doing this, is it probable tha ti'll earn the results I want in time? Or is there more room for improvement?
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10-20-2005, 01:47 PM #16Originally Posted by aqua-beowulf
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10-20-2005, 01:49 PM #17
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10-20-2005, 01:52 PM #18Originally Posted by SPAM
Additionally, I would train them before cardio when I have a lot more energy. Treat them like any other muscle group.
Also, the push-ups are pointless. It's probably just beneficial psychologically for you.
Just my opinion.
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10-20-2005, 01:54 PM #19
It's probably a good idea to train your abs even if you're not getting any hypertrophy... You don't want a weak link in your core
Numero_uno: Criminals aren't going to walk five miles across town to a nice area, break in and steal a plasma screen TV and then carry it home.
ajzoot: You're right, they break into their poor ass next door neighbor and steal an AM radio and a digital watch.
Dixon: You're 15. How is he more successful than you, rides a bigger bicycle?
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10-20-2005, 01:55 PM #20Originally Posted by Jneves
Basically I started this thread to look for scientific opinion/evidence/articles related to the abdominals and hypertrophy.
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10-20-2005, 01:57 PM #21
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10-20-2005, 02:02 PM #22
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Lemme Drop Some Knowledge On Some Of You Dirtclowns
These Are Facts...
1. Abs Are Worked In Heavy Compounds - True
2. Ab Visibility Is Based On Low Bf As Well As Moderate Hypertrophy Of The Ab Muscles - True
3. Abs That Can Do 30 Weighted Crunches Are Stronger Then Abs That Cant.
4. Therefore Having Strong Abs By Direct Training Will Effect Your Heavy Compounds.
5. In Conclusion Training Abs Specifically Is Helpful Overall. Although Your Heavy Compounds May Work Them, Making Them Stronger Will Help Out Your Heavy Compounds.
Knowledge Has Been Dropped, Soak It Up
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10-20-2005, 02:06 PM #23Originally Posted by Jonnyboy81
I can't believe that it took 20 posts for someone to finally mention this. Anyone who doesn't train their abs/core is a fool. And don't forget that ab training and core training aren't the same thing. Core training will give you a 6 pack AND function, while ab training gives you a 6 pack with A LOT less function. In any lift you do, especially squat and deadlift, core training is critical. If you have a weak core, you either risk injury, will have poor form, won't be able to handle the weight...a number of things. Granted, you do gain core strength from doing those lifts, but to me that's not enough. Realistically, the only way to get a pretty strong core with the Big 3 lifts is to always increase the weight, not do the same weight all the time. And since you can't just keep adding 10 pounds to your squat automatically whenver you want to, core training will help you reach that next mark, while protecting yourself from injury.
I'll say it again..while someone who can squat 400 pounds will have a strong core simply cuz of the poundage they can lift, they could be doing SO much better in terms of function and injury prevention if they worked their core as well with ab exercises, lower back exercises, glute exercises, hip flexor exercises etc.
Ask any powerlifter...they will tell you the key to lifting weights is core stabilization. If your core is weak, you won't be able to lift that much weight. I know we're BB'ers, not PL'ers, but you can NOT ignore the importance of a strong core, no matter what kind of lifter you are.
/end rantThe complete shoulder and RC injury thread, written by myself:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=529968 (MASSIVE NEW UPDATE AS OF 10/6/05)
Form is paramount.
Focus, focus, focus.
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10-20-2005, 02:08 PM #24Originally Posted by Thin Build
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10-20-2005, 02:11 PM #25
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10-20-2005, 02:13 PM #26Originally Posted by BernieD
But yes, abdominal training is definitely a must for overall strength.
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10-20-2005, 02:15 PM #27
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10-20-2005, 02:18 PM #28Originally Posted by jaguarrNumero_uno: Criminals aren't going to walk five miles across town to a nice area, break in and steal a plasma screen TV and then carry it home.
ajzoot: You're right, they break into their poor ass next door neighbor and steal an AM radio and a digital watch.
Dixon: You're 15. How is he more successful than you, rides a bigger bicycle?
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10-20-2005, 02:19 PM #29Originally Posted by quest-xI don't know either lol
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10-20-2005, 02:20 PM #30Originally Posted by quest-x
All the science you'll ever needI don't know either lol
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