Clemens mentioned in steroid report!

[FLYBUCK]

Mike and Mike mentioned that he is mentioned in the mitchel report... no suprise but big blow to basball!

[IraHays]

Yup, no surprise at all.

My biggest surprise is they said only 80 players were found. (If I heard them correclty)

I figured the number would be much higher with that kind of money on the line.

[GatorsIn09]

i just came on here to make this thread. god dammit roger. baseball is a ****ing joke. what the hell have we been watching for the last 20 years? paying 50 dollars a ticket to see some juiced up freaks out there.

the players need to give in now. random blood samples taken from you without warning needs to be the new standard. you wanna make millions, well then you gotta be willing to sacrifice a few rights

[papi93]

Originally Posted by dynozone84

i just came on here to make this thread. god dammit roger. baseball is a ****ing joke. what the hell have we been watching for the last 20 years? paying 50 dollars a ticket to see some juiced up freaks out there.

the players need to give in now. random blood samples taken from you without warning needs to be the new standard. you wanna make millions, well then you gotta be willing to sacrifice a few rights

Baseball is a joke? NFL players are much bigger and stronger. What does that tell you about the NFL? Let's not even get into professional bodybuilding.

[hounds]

When his name was first reported they made it seem like a random mentioning in the report with no real link to steroid use.

NOW its reported that his trainer claims he gave Clemens steroids and that clemens obtained steroids from other trainers as well during his time in Toronto through his stay in new york. The happiest man in america right now is Barry Bonds

[jwdjrs]

Originally Posted by papi93

Baseball is a joke? NFL players are much bigger and stronger. What does that tell you about the NFL? Let's not even get into professional bodybuilding.

Don't bring the NFL into this, You know the Packers is the only team that takes steroids. Lol

[swimmer32]

Not a huge surprise about Clemens, it's been rumored for years. I'll be looking for other names too - such as Alex Rodriguez (I hope not!), Sammy Sosa, Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mark Prior, etc.

Sh*t's going to hit the fan at 2:00 eastern time.

[papi93]

Originally Posted by jwdjrs

Don't bring the NFL into this, You know the Packers is the only team that takes steroids. Lol

You forgot the Chargers. Shawn Merriman was actually stupid enough to get caught by the weak testing policy.

[soxinseven]

Sweet. So Fat Roger will not only go down in history as a fat traitor who was booed off the mound at Yankee Stadium in his last game, but he'll also go down as a steroid abusing fat traitor who was booed off the mound at Yankee Stadium in his last game.

[GatorsIn09]

Originally Posted by papi93

Baseball is a joke? NFL players are much bigger and stronger. What does that tell you about the NFL? Let's not even get into professional bodybuilding.

ok cool pal, do you realize how much more football players put into strength training? you play almost everynight in baseball throughout the year. youre gonna sit here and tell me vernon davis is on roids when the guy spends every single day in the gym, holds all the records at his college. alot of the big guys in the nfl are documented gym rats.

steroids in sports have nothing to with size. they have to do with people like roger being able to recover from injuries way faster and playing like 20 seasons.

dont bring football into this its not even close to baseball, not even close

[hounds]

Originally Posted by swimmer32

Not a huge surprise about Clemens, it's been rumored for years. I'll be looking for other names too - such as Alex Rodriguez (I hope not!), Sammy Sosa, Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mark Prior, etc.

Sh*t's going to hit the fan at 2:00 eastern time.

its like the opposite of christmas morning for MLB steroid users

i'm so excited

[GatorsIn09]

i dont think it will be arod. if anyone knew anything about him it woulda leaked. man just let the other yankees be like sheffield and giambi.

just not jeter or posada. my god thats be awful

[IraHays]

I would LOVE it if someone like Cal Ripkin showed up.

Not that I have a problem with Cal, I just think the whole Bonds thing was a witch hunt and they would have never done that to a well liked player.

[deakanutz]

All of you shouldn't judge because you would take juice too if ya could play baseball and make that money and live their life.

[IraHays]

Originally Posted by deakanutz

All of you shouldn't judge because you would take juice too if ya could play baseball and make that money and live their life.

Dam right.

[swimmer32]

The ESPN article that states that Clemens is in the report also says that "several" high profile Yankess are in the report.

Sorry Yankee fans.

[Crestor]

I bet
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Josh Beckett
Schilling
and Dice K all take steroids!

[papi93]

Originally Posted by dynozone84

ok cool pal, do you realize how much more football players put into strength training? you play almost everynight in baseball throughout the year. youre gonna sit here and tell me vernon davis is on roids when the guy spends every single day in the gym, holds all the records at his college. alot of the big guys in the nfl are documented gym rats.

steroids in sports have nothing to with size. they have to do with people like roger being able to recover from injuries way faster and playing like 20 seasons.

dont bring football into this its not even close to baseball, not even close

I was a strength & conditioning intern at a small college, pal. Many of the players there were using and they had no chance to make the NFL. The players were using sources from D1 schools. May I ask what is your real-life experience with this other than taking the word of an NFL football player. Do you really believe these football players would tell you the truth? I suppose you believed David Boston before, heh?

Steriods are used as performance-enhancers. Don't you think added size can be an advantage for a defensive lineman? It helps them not get pushed around in run defense. Sorry, I'm not talking about them wanting to look like Ronnie Coleman.

I will bring football into this because your post is very uninformative. Peformance-enhancing use greater in MLB...lmao!!! That's a good one.

[FLYBUCK]

Mitchell has a financial interest in the boston red sox... I highly doubt you'll see any significant red sox on the list, explains why so many yankees however!

[NYY]

When is the **** coming out anyway?

[natespeer]

Originally Posted by dynozone84

ok cool pal, do you realize how much more football players put into strength training? you play almost everynight in baseball throughout the year. youre gonna sit here and tell me vernon davis is on roids when the guy spends every single day in the gym, holds all the records at his college. alot of the big guys in the nfl are documented gym rats.

steroids in sports have nothing to with size. they have to do with people like roger being able to recover from injuries way faster and playing like 20 seasons.

dont bring football into this its not even close to baseball, not even close

Your extremely naive about this subject and shouldn't post in this thread again.

[bbacn123]

Ive known Clemens was on it for a long time now. Ive been saying it forever, bout time they actually investigated that little b*tch. If anything the guy is the prototypical stereotyped steroid abuser.

Im definately interested in seeing the other names though. I have some hunches about some guys, but its going to be fun about the ones that are a surprise to me. I can gaurantee you no Braves will be on that list though. (minus Rocker that is) Our organization is run right.

[Nutella!]

Originally Posted by Crestor

I bet
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Josh Beckett
Schilling
and Dice K all take steroids!

yah the entire 2007 lineup of the red sox..

hahaa


but seriously, that would be kind of a blow if clemens really did. I'm not surprised at all though

[94Sip]

Originally Posted by natespeer

Your extremely naive about this subject and shouldn't post in this thread again.

No kidding. I have a friend who is a nutritionist for a D1 athletics program. There is a reason guys are big and jacked and look like thoroughbred racehorses (Eq), not fat out of shape slobs. Look at the stats of OL/DL from 15-20 yrs ago vs. today. OL/DL from that period couldn't even make it as TE today. Then look at the speeds those big bodies are moving at.

[natespeer]

Originally Posted by 94Sip

No kidding. I have a friend who is a nutritionist for a D1 athletics program. There is a reason guys are big and jacked and look like thoroughbred racehorses (Eq), not fat out of shape slobs. Look at the stats of OL/DL from 15-20 yrs ago vs. today. OL/DL from that period couldn't even make it as TE today. Then look at the speeds those big bodies are moving at.

I'm not following you. You think steroids wouldn't help with this?

[FLYBUCK]

Here is a list that someone just sent to me in an email. It is supposedly legit from someone at ABC sports but it is likely 3rd hand by the time it got to me so I am in no way saying it is the real deal. I thought it would however be interesting to discuss, especially since we dont have to wait much longer...



"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton B radley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozz ie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Jua n Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, jackkindregan (9:54:45 AM) : Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gon zalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offe rman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, A lbert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rod riguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez , Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood."

[adamci1]

ok only 1 current Cub on there....not too bad

[BIG JOHNNY C]

Hey dynozone, how do you think players recover from serious injuries and play in a couple months (TO was thought a hero by playing in the Superbowl for Eagles) its called HGH buddy
And its everywhere, how do you think the actress who has a baby is in bikini shape in 2 months, its called HGH

[Mikesmaf]

can't wait to see how the media reacts to its "baseball heroes" getting unvieled....guarantee it'll get pushed under the rug

[papi93]

Originally Posted by natespeer

I'm not following you. You think steroids wouldn't help with this?

He was agreeing with you but adding more detail from his friend's experience.