Folks, Gunter is the future of the IFBB

CuttingEdge · 10-18-2005, 11:42 PM

Sorry, but after Ronnie retires following the 2006 Mr. Olympia, Gunter will be the man to take the reigns. There is no question about it. Gunter MAY even beat Ronnie next year. Why?

1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body. His back is no longer superior to the competition. His age is catching up with him very, very quickly. I'd look for Ronnie to make a final run, but his time is running out very, very fast. He will be lucky to win next year with another year of "Father Time" working against him.

2. Gunter is HUNGRY. Let's face it, folks: The guy looked AWESOME. He looked like what a bodybuilding is SUPPOSED to look like. No damn turtle-gut. Dry as hell. Full and striated everywhere. He finally got to put his all into his training without his personal life interferring. Another year of that...I'm not so sure if he can't help BUT pass up Ronnie and Jay (who should have finished 4th, BTW).

3. Gunter is MARKETABLE. Let's face it, folks: Bodybuilding NEEDS a MARKETABLE guy to be on top. It's simply good for the sport. Ronnie Coleman, with his voice and man-boobs, is NOT marketable. He never has been. Gunter has a look that bodybuilding can introduce to the MAINSTREAM. He is a handsome (and no, I'm not gay, just stating that women think the guy is good-looking), is well-proportioned and presents himself well to the public. The ONLY thing that is going to take bodybuilding BACK to NON PAY-PER-VIEW TV is a guy that is MARKETABLE...a guy with a look that can be ENVIED by your average-Joe...not a guy that is looked at as GROTESQUE by your average-Joe. Sorry, folks, but Gunter is that man. He's marketable and the sport needs someone they can sell to the masses...period. Bodybuilding will NEVER thrive unless is has a figure on top which it can sell to ESPN, Fox, etc. as someone that could HOST a show, TALK to the public and not be LAUGHED at for their look instead of ENVIED. Gunter is that man.

Some of you will hate this take...some of you will agree. I don't care about positive or negative reps on my damn profile. I'm just posting the truth. Gunter is the man for the FUTURE of bodybuilding. It's inevitable, folks. Just the truth...

HomerJ.Simpson · 10-19-2005, 12:04 AM

im actually a big fan of gunter...hisd structure is almost identical to mine......im not sure he'll be the next mr o but he certainly is smart enough to know the supposed direction the ifbb is going and as a result him and dexter have the most appealing looks compared to the probable new changes to the judging....hes kept his stomach in very well and made incredible improvements ..another year of improvement on par with this year could very well lead to him being the next mr o but whos to say..........i agree though that he has made himself very marketable especially with his newer more polished look

the terminator · 10-19-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

Sorry, but after Ronnie retires following the 2006 Mr. Olympia, Gunter will be the man to take the reigns. There is no question about it. Gunter MAY even beat Ronnie next year. Why?

1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body. His back is no longer superior to the competition. His age is catching up with him very, very quickly. I'd look for Ronnie to make a final run, but his time is running out very, very fast. He will be lucky to win next year with another year of "Father Time" working against him.

2. Gunter is HUNGRY. Let's face it, folks: The guy looked AWESOME. He looked like what a bodybuilding is SUPPOSED to look like. No damn turtle-gut. Dry as hell. Full and striated everywhere. He finally got to put his all into his training without his personal life interferring. Another year of that...I'm not so sure if he can't help BUT pass up Ronnie and Jay (who should have finished 4th, BTW).

3. Gunter is MARKETABLE. Let's face it, folks: Bodybuilding NEEDS a MARKETABLE guy to be on top. It's simply good for the sport. Ronnie Coleman, with his voice and man-boobs, is NOT marketable. He never has been. Gunter has a look that bodybuilding can introduce to the MAINSTREAM. He is a handsome (and no, I'm not gay, just stating that women think the guy is good-looking), is well-proportioned and presents himself well to the public. The ONLY thing that is going to take bodybuilding BACK to NON PAY-PER-VIEW TV is a guy that is MARKETABLE...a guy with a look that can be ENVIED by your average-Joe...not a guy that is looked at as GROTESQUE by your average-Joe. Sorry, folks, but Gunter is that man. He's marketable and the sport needs someone they can sell to the masses...period. Bodybuilding will NEVER thrive unless is has a figure on top which it can sell to ESPN, Fox, etc. as someone that could HOST a show, TALK to the public and not be LAUGHED at for their look instead of ENVIED. Gunter is that man.

Some of you will hate this take...some of you will agree. I don't care about positive or negative reps on my damn profile. I'm just posting the truth. Gunter is the man for the FUTURE of bodybuilding. It's inevitable, folks. Just the truth...

I totally agree,i have always thought gunter had the potential to rule bodybuilding.

Duff62269 · 10-19-2005, 01:08 AM

"1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body."

I totally agree. I noticed his triceps were way thinner this year also.

DreamMachineRR · 10-19-2005, 01:10 AM

I had no idea that Gunter could achieve such an incredible physique before seeing the 2005 Olympia. Gunter is heir to the thrown of King Coleman.

ReEvolution · 10-19-2005, 01:13 AM

you're all idiots

SDFlip · 10-19-2005, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ReEvolution

you're all idiots

awesome first post

Fluff · 10-19-2005, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

3. Gunter is MARKETABLE. Let's face it, folks: Bodybuilding NEEDS a MARKETABLE guy to be on top.

You want the athletes to be judged by marketability?

Trappy · 10-19-2005, 03:50 AM

I'm hoping Ronnie is going to come in 2006 with a reduced stomach like this year, and pack on more mass like he had previously, then you can eat your words.

**iron619** · 10-19-2005, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

...Gunter MAY even beat Ronnie next year. Why?...

Gunter is dubbed as the "poster boy" for bodybuilding. As fantastic and impressive as Gunter looked this year (and I saw it live), the thought of him beating Coleman is ludicrous. Coleman's triceps, like his calves, are not one of his strong points. Cutler beats Coleman at the side tricep pose pretty much every time. But that's just one pose. I disagree that his back is no longer superior to the competition. Cutler is one of the few, if not the only one that can stand toe-to-toe with Ronnie on his rear lat spread. And this just progressed this year. In Coleman's previous 6 or 7 olympias, no one was close to him in his rear lat spread. Coleman, however, will still dominate his competitors, including Gunter, in many other poses (rear double bi, front db bi, most muscular...)

I agree that time is against Coleman, but no one knows for sure when he will stop competing (though we can all assume he will stop at 9 Mr. O titles) Lastly, Coleman doesn't need luck to win anything, and by no means is he slipping anywhere. He sacraficed some size this year because that's what the judges wanted to see.

Gunter is definitely hungry, and I can see him being top 5 for many competitions to come. What great improvements he made this year!

BB is 4 life :) · 10-19-2005, 04:19 AM

Yeah gunter is hungry and he looked very good this year ( except for his calves )...but that doesnt mean that all of a sudden hes gona take the IFBB by the reigns and storm over everyone. Remember one thing, last year people were saying this about ruhl.....one good condition and people go histerical!!!

He still has victor martinez, dexter jackson, gustavo, branch warren, johnnie jackson, darrem charles, melvin anthony and Jay to contend with yet, these are all people who are still improving. Especially victor and branch and johnnie, i think they have made the most notable changes over the past year.

Yes he looks good, no one can say he didnt and i certainly arent saying that, its just put it into perspective. He has ALOT of competition before hes gonna be crowned Mr.O. I know he best nearly everyone in my list but gunter was in his TOP condition, victor was still smooth and melvin could dry out more, darrem, johnnie and branch didnt get the correct placings IMO.

Psychoholic · 10-19-2005, 04:36 AM

I agree that he looked amazing this year and certainly embodied the new mandates about smaller midsection. In one of his bicep shots he has alot of Arnold-esque qualities to him, and looks like an enormous Val Kilmer.

Flex500 · 10-19-2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Yeah gunter is hungry and he looked very good this year ( except for his calves )...but that doesnt mean that all of a sudden hes gona take the IFBB by the reigns and storm over everyone. Remember one thing, last year people were saying this about ruhl.....one good condition and people go histerical!!!

He still has victor martinez, dexter jackson, gustavo, branch warren, johnnie jackson, darrem charles, melvin anthony and Jay to contend with yet, these are all people who are still improving. Especially victor and branch and johnnie, i think they have made the most notable changes over the past year.

Yes he looks good, no one can say he didnt and i certainly arent saying that, its just put it into perspective. He has ALOT of competition before hes gonna be crowned Mr.O. I know he best nearly everyone in my list but gunter was in his TOP condition, victor was still smooth and melvin could dry out more, darrem, johnnie and branch didnt get the correct placings IMO.

yeah I agree, everybody starts pounding their co*ks because gunter made his first good showing since like 2002. Congratulations. He did look great, he is a good guy and very marketable. He has the potential to be a top 10 Olympia competitor for a few years to come. But come on guys he is not even close to Coleman or cutler or badell for that matter. And usually he is not even close to about 5 or so other competitors.

DaEagles4Life · 10-19-2005, 06:57 AM

But can he speak proper English to make him marketable.other than that he is the next king

jayvee · 10-19-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body. His back is no longer superior to the competition. His age is catching up with him very, very quickly. I'd look for Ronnie to make a final run, but his time is running out very, very fast. He will be lucky to win next year with another year of "Father Time" working against him.

you may wanna cast your mind back to 2002, when ronnie came in pretty depleted shape, and almost got done by a top shape kevin levrone. the same **** was said about ronnie after that, that he was past it, and look for him to mabey get beaten in 2003 blah, blah... then he comes out in 2003 in his best shape ever, blows the competition away by a country mile, and people then reclaim he is unbeatable. never count out someone with the physique, drive and determination of coleman. the guy is a machine.

CitadelArmyJAG · 10-19-2005, 07:03 AM

I dont care... he is still the nicest guy and the best rep. for our sport IMHO.

jayvee · 10-19-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Flex500

yeah I agree, everybody starts pounding their co*ks because gunter made his first good showing since like 2002. Congratulations. He did look great, he is a good guy and very marketable. He has the potential to be a top 10 Olympia competitor for a few years to come. But come on guys he is not even close to Coleman or cutler or badell for that matter. And usually he is not even close to about 5 or so other competitors.

once again mate, my thoughts exactly. a good competitor for sure but a mr O winner? dreaming.

jayvee · 10-19-2005, 07:06 AM

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I dont care... he is still the nicest guy and the best rep. for our sport IMHO.

garrett downing is a really nice guy and extremely well spoken, but a mr olympia that does not make.

CitadelArmyJAG · 10-19-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jayvee

garrett downing is a really nice guy and extremely well spoken, but a mr olympia that does not make.

Lol... I liked how you said the last part like Yoda... Very nicely done!

HeadofStateHOS · 10-19-2005, 07:14 AM

Does anyone know why Dex didn't compete?

Also is Dex signed up to Weider industries like the other top six finishers?

I've watched the Olympia 2004 DVD on a few times and friends and I agree that the Olympia is staged.
In 2004 if my suspicions are right the only person not signed to Weider industries is Dex. So he can't win.
All the other competitiors are signed to Eeider through sponsorship, exclusivity of photo shoots, articles etc.

Also ask yourself who is paying the judges for their time at the Olympia!

jayvee · 10-19-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CitadelArmyJAG

Lol... I liked how you said the last part like Yoda... Very nicely done!

when 900 years old you reach, look as good, you will not, hmm..

-Moores Gym- · 10-19-2005, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

Sorry, but after Ronnie retires following the 2006 Mr. Olympia, Gunter will be the man to take the reigns. There is no question about it. Gunter MAY even beat Ronnie next year. Why?

1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body. His back is no longer superior to the competition. His age is catching up with him very, very quickly. I'd look for Ronnie to make a final run, but his time is running out very, very fast. He will be lucky to win next year with another year of "Father Time" working against him.

2. Gunter is HUNGRY. Let's face it, folks: The guy looked AWESOME. He looked like what a bodybuilding is SUPPOSED to look like. No damn turtle-gut. Dry as hell. Full and striated everywhere. He finally got to put his all into his training without his personal life interferring. Another year of that...I'm not so sure if he can't help BUT pass up Ronnie and Jay (who should have finished 4th, BTW).

3. Gunter is MARKETABLE. Let's face it, folks: Bodybuilding NEEDS a MARKETABLE guy to be on top. It's simply good for the sport. Ronnie Coleman, with his voice and man-boobs, is NOT marketable. He never has been. Gunter has a look that bodybuilding can introduce to the MAINSTREAM. He is a handsome (and no, I'm not gay, just stating that women think the guy is good-looking), is well-proportioned and presents himself well to the public. The ONLY thing that is going to take bodybuilding BACK to NON PAY-PER-VIEW TV is a guy that is MARKETABLE...a guy with a look that can be ENVIED by your average-Joe...not a guy that is looked at as GROTESQUE by your average-Joe. Sorry, folks, but Gunter is that man. He's marketable and the sport needs someone they can sell to the masses...period. Bodybuilding will NEVER thrive unless is has a figure on top which it can sell to ESPN, Fox, etc. as someone that could HOST a show, TALK to the public and not be LAUGHED at for their look instead of ENVIED. Gunter is that man.

Some of you will hate this take...some of you will agree. I don't care about positive or negative reps on my damn profile. I'm just posting the truth. Gunter is the man for the FUTURE of bodybuilding. It's inevitable, folks. Just the truth...

Repped you for that post

I agree 110%, Gunther was damn FLAWLESS on that stage, his body was like how you imagine the "perfect male body" to look like...not all this bloated belly ****, Gunther looked absolutely fantastic, and for my money...was Mr Olympia, the days of the "Mass Monsters" is hopefully at an end

jayvee · 10-19-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

Gunter has a look that bodybuilding can introduce to the MAINSTREAM. The ONLY thing that is going to take bodybuilding BACK to NON PAY-PER-VIEW TV is a guy that is MARKETABLE...a guy with a look that can be ENVIED by your average-Joe...not a guy that is looked at as GROTESQUE by your average-Joe. Sorry, folks, but Gunter is that man. He's marketable and the sport needs someone they can sell to the masses...period. Bodybuilding will NEVER thrive unless is has a figure on top which it can sell to ESPN, Fox, etc. as someone that could HOST a show, TALK to the public and not be LAUGHED at for their look instead of ENVIED. Gunter is that man.

ive gotta be honest, bodybuilding will never be mainstream, and im not really sure why people would want it mainstream anyway. it is an sport/activity that unless you have an interest in, is very hard to understand. the very nature of the sport will always make it subjective, not something simple like most goals wins. it is always going to be strange or differrent, and its just not something the general public can fully understand. its more like a 'cult' sport which will always have a specific audience. i personally like it that way anyway.. im just not exactly sure what positives would ever come out of it being mainstream.

as for gunter, im sorry, but the average joe would find him just as freaky as any of the others. its differrent at a bodybuilding fans level, because we understand what to look for. while i still think gunter has improved and has a reasonable physique, he still has structural flaws, and people would still be put off by a physique his size. face it, we live in an age where people still think arnold is overdone or 'too big'. i hear it working in the gym every day - newcomers - 'i just want you to write me up a program to look good, i dont wanna look like arnie or anything'. while they obviously dont truly know what goes into creating a physique like that, if they think arnold is too big, what do you think they'll say about someone like gunter, 60-70 odd pounds heavier! again, bottom line, bodybuilding is always gonna have a hard time with a mainstream audience, and is pobably better left to those with a vested interest.

Quintis Vindex · 10-19-2005, 08:17 AM

Why is it that everyone who starts a support thread for Gunther or Culter invariably has RED reps?

You intolerant bastages! lol

Quintis Vindex · 10-19-2005, 08:19 AM

Also, in case any of you don't know.

"Marketable" is the Codeword for hes white.

aiwass · 10-19-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaEagles4Life

But can he speak proper English to make him marketable.other than that he is the next king

Can Ronnie?

Seriously, though, I bet his English is pretty damn decent.

mikethedon · 10-19-2005, 08:25 AM

Gunter is good but not that good, from a judges point of view he has small arms his quads are shaped weired, and not big enough, sure he has a good smile but thats not what bbing is about. His obliques are huge, so is his waist. And lets seem him improve again without doing another 2004mr o. I think there are many better bbers coming up the ranks, if jay come in better he will take it or gustavo will take it

Big Jeff · 10-19-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

Sorry, but after Ronnie retires following the 2006 Mr. Olympia, Gunter will be the man to take the reigns. There is no question about it. Gunter MAY even beat Ronnie next year. Why?

With all due respect, I disagree. I hope that once Big Ron retires, the IFBB will throw a few crumbs Jay's way, but I have a feeling that they will take the opportunity to start a new era in pro bodybuilding, favouring the smaller, shape physiques. Of course that's just my opinion, but as for Gunter beating Ronnie at the O, no, it won't happen. He is not even in Coleman's league.

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

1. Ronnie is slipping back to the pack. His triceps are now a very exploitable part of his previously nearly flawless body. His back is no longer superior to the competition. His age is catching up with him very, very quickly. I'd look for Ronnie to make a final run, but his time is running out very, very fast. He will be lucky to win next year with another year of "Father Time" working against him.

Ronnie is not slipping at all, and there is nothing wrong with his triceps. As for his back, you are getting caught up in all the hype about Jay's back, which was started for the sole purpose of creating tension at the O. If you honestly can't see that with your own eyes, listen to any PRO BODYBUILDER. And Gunter's back? Again, not even remotely close to Coleman's.

I hate it when fans make abstract statements about Ronnie's age. You don't know him, you don't know what his health is like. And judging from the pics, Ronnie just keeps getting better with age. It's called muscle maturity, and it is one of the reasons that Big Ron is heads and tails above the competition.

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

2. Gunter is HUNGRY. Let's face it, folks: The guy looked AWESOME. He looked like what a bodybuilding is SUPPOSED to look like. No damn turtle-gut. Dry as hell. Full and striated everywhere. He finally got to put his all into his training without his personal life interferring. Another year of that...I'm not so sure if he can't help BUT pass up Ronnie and Jay (who should have finished 4th, BTW).

I agree that Gunter looked better than he has in the past, and his tan was perfect. But he is not Mr. Olympia quality, and I say this respectfully. Gunter's obliques are too big. And most importantly, his hips are too wide. This cannot be corrected, as it is a product of genetics.

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

3. Gunter is MARKETABLE. Let's face it, folks: Bodybuilding NEEDS a MARKETABLE guy to be on top. It's simply good for the sport. Ronnie Coleman, with his voice and man-boobs, is NOT marketable. He never has been. Gunter has a look that bodybuilding can introduce to the MAINSTREAM. He is a handsome (and no, I'm not gay, just stating that women think the guy is good-looking), is well-proportioned and presents himself well to the public. The ONLY thing that is going to take bodybuilding BACK to NON PAY-PER-VIEW TV is a guy that is MARKETABLE...a guy with a look that can be ENVIED by your average-Joe...not a guy that is looked at as GROTESQUE by your average-Joe. Sorry, folks, but Gunter is that man. He's marketable and the sport needs someone they can sell to the masses...period. Bodybuilding will NEVER thrive unless is has a figure on top which it can sell to ESPN, Fox, etc. as someone that could HOST a show, TALK to the public and not be LAUGHED at for their look instead of ENVIED. Gunter is that man.

Look, Gunter being more marketable than Ronnie is debatable. But we must step back and realize that pro bodybuilding is a fringe sport not because of the marketability of its top competitor. It cannot go mainstream because of the nature of the sport. The average joe, looking at even Dexter Jackson in contest form, will see a grotesque physique. Their eyes are simply not conditioned to appreciate the fully developed muscular physique. Even the most "aesthetic" pro will look like a freak to the average viewer of ESPN. It takes prolonged exposure to pro bodybuilding to become comfortable viewing the physique of a pro. So, Gunter may have a friendly face, but when the average joe sees his physique, all they will see is a freak.

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Originally Posted by CuttingEdge

Some of you will hate this take...some of you will agree. I don't care about positive or negative reps on my damn profile. I'm just posting the truth. Gunter is the man for the FUTURE of bodybuilding. It's inevitable, folks. Just the truth...

I think you are a fan of Gunter hoping to see your favourite pro win the top title. Try to examine things more objectively, and I think you will realize that Gunter cannot win the O against the current crop of competition.

BB is 4 life :) · 10-19-2005, 09:15 AM

This getting out of control now, he wasnt FLAWLESS..... his calves are weak, very weak for an olympia competitior, his quads arent fully developed and dont have a nice flow to them and the seperation was not cut deep like it is with other guys up on stage ( branch for example!!).

Like i have said he looked good this year, he did look good cant take that away from him, but calm down people, one good placing doesnt make you Mr.olympia next year!!!

He did well, but just like markus ruhl last year who nailed his conditioning, he might show up next year looking awful then everyone will be calling him this and that and talking about how hes washed up and cant hack it anymore!!!

He isnt THAT good, Ronnie smokes him.....

Hypothetical situation here.

IF all of the other competitors came in in their best condition like gunter did, gunter would not be number 4, he wouldnt be in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.....

Calm down people and look at this whole picture objectively.

Com-Shuk · 10-19-2005, 09:26 AM

im not a fan of him at all
but you are 100% right

Gustavo's tricep > ronnie
id love to see gustavo as the next mr.o but gunther would be better for the sport