Bob's Flex Article

**tulsasbest** · 10-13-2005, 01:28 PM

I just read Bob's article in the front of the new Flex. He was talking about how when the UFC first started it was pretty much just backyard brawls and how its such a huge industry now. The promoters let you get to know the guys competing on more of a personal level. They have more fans and more loyal fans because the people get a better sense of who they are cheering for. One bodybuilder that I admire very much is Mark Dugdale. He is a sucessful buisnessman outside of just bodybuilding, has a wife and children and still has time to be a top pro. To me that is admirable. Dareem Charles is very much the same and there is a story on him in the new Flex. I never really cared too much about Chris Cook (I never disliked him) I just never really knew anything about him until I read an article about him a while back. After hearing of all the things that he went through and overcame in his life I would now consider myself a "fan" of his. The magazines need to print more articles to let you get to know the different competitors instead of so many ads. I just wanted to say that I agree with the article and wanted to see what some other people had to say about it.

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-13-2005, 02:05 PM

um....ok.

**Ripped Italian** · 10-13-2005, 02:08 PM

Dugdale is da man

**Contract Killer** · 10-13-2005, 05:50 PM

good post tulsa. It's true man, I'm hooked on the insider sccop on all the pros. It's like watching entertainment tonight. I love hearing about all the stuff that pros do, it's more exciting than listing their bull**** routines.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 08:07 AM

Look, pro bbing is nothing more than a well disguised platform for supp and rag sales. It cannot stand alone.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 08:12 AM

The "sport" will never stand alone as long as the drug abuse continues. If bbing could stand alone as a single entity, it wouldn't be a slave to the supp and rag industries. Remember folks, it's called JOE WEIDERS Mr. Olympia.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 08:19 AM

Bob says that the "fans" want the drug induced freaks. What fans??? Pro bbing hasn't grown at all in the past thirty years. Matter of fact, it has declined in that span, even with more and more drug abuse. Then, he says "bbing will never be popular", well people told Bill France that Nascar would always be a backwoods sport of Dixie.Now NASCAR is only surpassed by the NFL.

**JamerJay** · 10-14-2005, 08:31 AM

M.Dugdale is a lucky man.
A beautiful wife, beautiful kids (who eat their broccoli) and a successful business.
It sounds almost too 'perfect'.

**Quelly** · 10-14-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

Bob says that the "fans" want the drug induced freaks. What fans??? Pro bbing hasn't grown at all in the past thirty years. Matter of fact, it has declined in that span, even with more and more drug abuse. Then, he says "bbing will never be popular", well people told Bill France that Nascar would always be a backwoods sport of Dixie.Now NASCAR is only surpassed by the NFL.

i think its easy to understand why bob thinks that when all the true fans now do want freaks....cuz that's what the ifbb is now....so every person who is a true ifbb fan likes what it is...its not hard to see why bob would believe that...and its true....the current fans do want drug induced freaks...BUT...the amount of mainstream attention that bbing could get if it dropped the drug use, got legitimate judging standards and backed a little bit away from the supplement companies (which it could do with more fans) COULD quadruple the number of current fans...the truth of it is, a body without using gh, diuretics and lots of steroids can't really produce the "oh my god what a sick disgusting person why would they do that to themselves?!" response that the average person has when looking at an ifbb pro.

Yes you will probably lose some of the freak show loving "bros" right now who want to see how big a chemically induced lifter can get no matter how pregnant they look, but to be honest....who cares? you'll get way more fans in the long run....the average person who thinks bbing is supposed to be about health can't stomach the "in your face irony" that pro bbing is; ie "olympian" men on stage who are close to passing out, and women who look more like male bbers with silicone breasts....

if bbing wants true mainstream acceptance and fans it can A:have the ifbb completely change, and have a few years of darkness when half the pros quit and half the fans leave, and then try to bring it to the mainstream light or B: get a whole new federation started by an already well off corporation with the right marketing and be diuretic and steroid free and more mainstream friendly

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 10:22 AM

The fact remains, pro bbing has been LOSING popularity in the past decades. Now the only ones who follow it are insecure high school freshman and gay men with a muscle fetish. Some fan base you got there Bob. Everyone knows that the results are fixed in order for somebody in the supp or rag industry to make more money. Factor in the fact that one NEEDS to abuse drugs to get these physiques and the fact that these guys aren't nearly as strong as we're lead to believe, along with the use of recreational drugs and gay for pay, The WWE has more credibility as "sport".

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

The fact remains, pro bbing has been LOSING popularity in the past decades. Now the only ones who follow it are insecure high school freshman and gay men with a muscle fetish. Some fan base you got there Bob. Everyone knows that the results are fixed in order for somebody in the supp or rag industry to make more money. Factor in the fact that one NEEDS to abuse drugs to get these physiques and the fact that these guys aren't nearly as strong as we're lead to believe, along with the use of recreational drugs and gay for pay, The WWE has more credibility as "sport".

Just about every single statement you made above is completely false. You're an idiot.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 10:45 AM

Todd, so competitive bbing hasn't become less popular?? You don't need to abuse drugs to be an IFBB pro? Inplants aren't a part of pro bbing?? Dummy plates aren't common in photo shoots and videos?? Gay for pay doesn't happen in pro bbing?

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

The fact remains, pro bbing has been LOSING popularity in the past decades. Now the only ones who follow it are insecure high school freshman and gay men with a muscle fetish. Some fan base you got there Bob. Everyone knows that the results are fixed in order for somebody in the supp or rag industry to make more money. Factor in the fact that one NEEDS to abuse drugs to get these physiques and the fact that these guys aren't nearly as strong as we're lead to believe, along with the use of recreational drugs and gay for pay, The WWE has more credibility as "sport".

Ok, first off, there are more people than just insecure highschool kids and gay men with fetishes who follow pro bb'ing.

Secondly, if the results were fixed for the supp industry to make even more money, then you'd have Muscle Tech athletes winning the O...and you don't.

Thirdly, these guys are pretty damn strong... you think Ronnie ain't as strong as we're led to believe? Just watch one of his vids...same with Johnnie Jackson and a load of others...Branch Warren, Ruhl etc are definitely as strong as we're led to believe.

4thly, not every single Pro bodybuilder is involved in "gay for pay" in order to get their drugs or whatever else. There are some, but not all do this....so don't make it seem that way.

5thly, the WWE is a joke. period. I wouldn't pay any amount of money to go see that rehearsed scripted bull****.

6thly, yah of course you need drugs to get the physique as big as the pros, but what, in the WWE you don't? Those guys are drugging it up just as bad....so what's your point?

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Ok, first off, there are more people than just insecure highschool kids and gay men with fetishes who follow pro bb'ing.

Yeah, the olympia these days really draws a crowd

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Secondly, if the results were fixed for the supp industry to make even more money, then you'd have Muscle Tech athletes winning the O...and you don't.

Name a single Olympia winner who wasn't on the Weider payroll.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Thirdly, these guys are pretty damn strong... you think Ronnie ain't as strong as we're led to believe? Just watch one of his vids...same with Johnnie Jackson and a load of others...Branch Warren, Ruhl etc are definitely as strong as we're led to believe.

Then why all the dummy plates. Even if Coleman is "that strong", he's only one of how many?

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

6thly, yah of course you need drugs to get the physique as big as the pros, but what, in the WWE you don't? Those guys are drugging it up just as bad....so what's your point?

The rock was on drugs?? Tim Foley? Sure there are wwe guys on, but certainly not all.

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

Then why all the dummy plates. Even if Coleman is "that strong", he's only one of how many?

Cuz it's a freakin ad man, it is to look like he is lifting big weight...doesn't mean he can't but you think they are going to risk injury for a two second photo shoot? Dude, come on get a brain.

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

The rock was on drugs?? Tim Foley? Sure there are wwe guys on, but certainly not all.

Ok, you keep telling yourself that everytime you see a huge Olympia sized wrestler.

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

Name a single Olympia winner who wasn't on the Weider payroll.

Ok, first off Muscle Tech is the #1 supp company out there. There are many athletes who are competing in the O who are a part of Weider...so what?

**Hardcore Natural** · 10-14-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Henry's return

Yeah, the olympia these days really draws a crowd

It's getting more and more exposure every year.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Cuz it's a freakin ad man, it is to look like he is lifting big weight...doesn't mean he can't but you think they are going to risk injury for a two second photo shoot? Dude, come on get a brain.

Name a strength athlete that uses fake weights.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Ok, first off Muscle Tech is the #1 supp company out there. There are many athletes who are competing in the O who are a part of Weider...so what?

ANY OF EM EVER WIN?

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

It's getting more and more exposure every year.

HOW SO? Remember when it was on ABC?? AT present time(5 minutes before show) red tickets are still available.

**Henry_s return** · 10-14-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Todd69

Ok, you keep telling yourself that everytime you see a huge Olympia sized wrestler.

So Tim Foley used Steroids??????????

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