the drug tests are administered by IOC standards. They also make them take a polygraph which the olympics DO NOT do... so to be honest, they go beyond olympic standards.Originally Posted by jkygogo
btw how many natural shows you've been around? I've been doing them for 4 years now & help out a few of the orgs. There is little incentive for someone to cheat... there is hardly any money, hardly any recognition, what do they benefit by cheating? You'd have to be one seriously insecure, self hating jerk to do something like that.
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10-10-2005, 07:11 PM #31The Physique Architect
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10-10-2005, 07:12 PM #33The Physique Architect
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who?Originally Posted by Tuna"N"Oats
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10-10-2005, 07:14 PM #34Gorilla Muscle
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Are you talking about Layne? If so, you obviously haven't been around these forums much. Don't accuse him of using steroids just because he's big.. Layne (str8flexed) puts a hell of alot of intensity, work ethic, and knowledge into his training.. believe me, he's had no exogenous hormonal assistance..Originally Posted by Tuna"N"Oats
EDIT: Layne doesn't have puffy nipples either... I don't know where you got that. Also, before you go around diagnosing people of having gynecomastia, maybe you should go through several years of schooling called Med School.
And to jkygogo, these guys are in natural federations.. where they drug test by urinalysis and polygraph.. these aren't IFBB pros trying to be passed off as naturals. These organizations actually DO test for steroids.Last edited by KarateChris; 10-10-2005 at 07:17 PM.
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10-10-2005, 07:22 PM #35Registered User
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Very inspirational Layne!
it gives us natural trainers some extra motivation to bust our asses off in the gym!!
keep up the good work!
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10-10-2005, 07:27 PM #36The Physique Architect
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yea pretty sure my nipples aren't puffy lolOriginally Posted by KarateChris
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10-10-2005, 07:50 PM #37Registered User
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I dont knoooooooooow....I think i see some gynoOriginally Posted by str8flexed
. jk. I have been on this board almost as long as Layne and it has been awesome to witness his progress and love for the sport. Don’t let the haters get to you. Getting pissed off only gives them what they want and will never change someone’s mind.
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10-10-2005, 08:01 PM #38The Physique Architect
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Oh i'm not pissed, just suprised lolOriginally Posted by Brad4321I dont knoooooooooow....I think i see some gyno. jk. I have been on this board almost as long as Layne and it has been awesome to witness his progress and love for the sport. Don’t let the haters get to you. Getting pissed off only gives them what they want and will never change someone’s mind.
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10-10-2005, 09:20 PM #39
Hey Layne,
U def have an awesome physique!!! U are a testament to what ppl can achieve w/o any synthetic hormones! Im sure alot of hard work was done to achieve what you have. Btw, just an observation that i have, when a person is cutting, why does he look bigger? I noticed that when im cutting, altho i actually weigh lighter, I actually look bigger than when i was bulky...
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10-10-2005, 09:50 PM #40Registered User
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How many of you here really think the Mr. Olympia competitors are Natural?
How many of you here really think the Mr. Olympia competitors are natural? Do you really believe that? I don't. I think Strtflexed is one of those who don't want to believe this but for whatever reason he wants to say or deny the use of steroids or growth hormone or he wants to deny the use of steroids to try and distract us from the fact that they may take them or maybe he wants to just deny this to somehow say "who cares", it's part of bodybuilding so deal with it.
I guess it just bothers me when the Bodybuilders keep saying that they don't use them and try and deny it. My feeling is if you use them, just admit it. I don't care, but don't deny it. Just be honest.
And to Str8flexed who says the testing for Bodybuilders is the same as the Olympic testing, I don't believe that. If that were the case, I'm pretty sure we'd see alot more steroids signs from bodybuilders. Because the Olympics is so pure in their testing that I'm pretty sure the signs of steroid or growth hormone use would pop up.
But again, as I've said before, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they don't use steroids or growth hormone.
But I think they do.
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Peace.
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10-10-2005, 10:07 PM #41Gorilla Muscle
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Dude, what are you NOT understanding? THESE GUYS ARE NOT MR. OLYMPIA COMPETITORS! No one is saying that Ronnie Coleman or ANY IFBB pro bodybuilder is natural! They're not even tested for steroids! The only thing that the IFBB tests for are illegal diuretics (and that's not all the time).Originally Posted by jkygogo
These guys compete in OTHER bodybuilding federations like the WNBF. The IFBB is NOT the only bodybuilding federation out there; it's just the most popular one. And yes, the testing for the NATURAL FEDERATIONS (EXCLUDING THE IFBB BECAUSE THEY DON'T TEST FOR STEROIDS) is just as good as the Olympic testing.
Do you understand what we're telling you?
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10-10-2005, 10:32 PM #42I Piss Excellence
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/monetti.htmOriginally Posted by str8flexed
I thought the guy's name from True Life was Anthony Monetti Jr.? I could be wrong
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10-10-2005, 11:11 PM #43Registered User
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I understand
I understand. I was basically talking about the most popular Federation, the IFBB. I wasn't talking about the other organizations.
Thanks.
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10-11-2005, 12:07 AM #44-=I Walk the Line=-
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Well first off steroids in the IFBB Olympia is not even a question. Ofcouse they use them, no one even asks that any more.Originally Posted by jkygogo
And second they are not "denying" anything. Its just one of thouse things "if you dont know and need to ask, you dont need to know".
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10-11-2005, 12:15 AM #45Registered User
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some people just assume everyone bigger then them is on roids
people ask me all the time what **** im on
and i dont even drink let alone take drugs (maybe the occasional aspirin)
makes me feel great though lol
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10-11-2005, 12:34 AM #46Registered User
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Skip Lacour is NATURAL?!?!?!? my definition of natural is no ph/gh and definitely no steroids, and i honestly dont thing Skip lacour hasnt run a cycle of ph before.
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10-11-2005, 01:53 AM #47Banned
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That means alot coming from a newb with 23 posts. Please shutup.Originally Posted by Bareknuckles
I have a question for str8flexed. How is your flexibility and overall functionality with so much muscle? I really admire your physique. You're a freak, but you're not freakish if you know what I mean. =) I wouldn't mind looking like that myself. After bodybuilding for a while, though, I realized that I didn't want to necessarily get bigger. I wouldn't mind putting on weight, but only as much as is necessary for perfect functionality (think Bruce Lee). I want to be a universal athlete with speed, strength, and agility. Bruce Lee was 145 or so and he could kick ass like no other, so I figure that my being 145 is no biggy. I could ultimately do great things even while maintaining a very lean build.
I'm just curios as to how a great amount of lean muscle mass would effect the goals of someone like myself. What are the pros and cons of what you're going for?
I'm interested in hearing your perspective. Keep up the good work, dude. You rock. I know you sprint and stay functional. That's the only way to go.
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10-11-2005, 05:08 AM #48The Physique Architect
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Originally Posted by Ripped Italian
oops, you are right, my mistake
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10-11-2005, 05:09 AM #49The Physique Architect
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Originally Posted by jkygogo
bro, i never said i was talking about guys in the olympia. You need to read my full posts before flying off at the handle after reading one sentance.
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10-11-2005, 05:12 AM #50The Physique Architect
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thanks for the compliments. Never been called a freak... that is a very big compliment. Not sure if I deserve all those compliments you guys are throwing at me, but thanks all the same.Originally Posted by The_Hobbit
my flexibility is better than average, nothing spectacular, but I've never tried to push the limits of my flexibility either. But how much muscle you carry shouldn't impact it. I've seen ronnie coleman do the splits at 300 lbs so there you go lol.
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10-11-2005, 08:07 AM #51Banned
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Originally Posted by str8flexed
Yes for the wnbf they seem to be all natural,but what about musclemania,i think alot of guys in musclemania juice it.
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10-11-2005, 08:42 AM #52The Physique Architect
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Originally Posted by the terminator
once again, you don't know that for sure. Keep in mind the testing proceedures & banned substances differ from org to org. WNBF banned prohormones way back in 2000, in musclemania you could still use them all the way up until they were made illegal in 2004. Additionally, I believe musclemania does moreso random urine testing (depends on the show... some test everyone). Also the length that one has to be drug free for a musclemania show varies (I believe 1-5 years) while the WNBF is a strict 7 years.
so are they cheating by musclemania standards? not nessecarily, but are some of them using androgens? Quite possible.
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10-11-2005, 05:26 PM #53Registered User
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Honestly, I wish they'd test the Mr. Olympia Competitors in the IFBB
Honestly, I'd wish they'd test the Mr. Olympia Competitors in the IFBB. I'd really love to see what they look like and what kind of body they can develop without using steroids or growth hormone or whatever else some take.
Thanks.
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10-11-2005, 09:53 PM #54The Physique Architect
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Originally Posted by jkygogo
i just showed you what can be done... look at the pics I posted of the natural pros.
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10-12-2005, 08:20 AM #55
It is impressive and Kudos to those guys 4 sure.
Imagine being a "Pro" ( hmmm? Pro what? Pro Drug Taker?? ) and getting paid by Sports Nutrition Companies to keep pumping yourself full of garbage
Where is the INTEGRITY in 'that'
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10-12-2005, 09:37 AM #56bro mr olympia compititors are juced up to the max trust me.Originally Posted by jkygogo
its not possible for naturals to get that big.
also Gene doping is an area i think is being used.
But that doesnt mean any one can get big with juice.
you still need to follow the priciples
1 Train hard but smart
2 Nutrition
3 Sleep
4 Consistency
5 Genetics
and to get really big
6 Cycle roids
ps: Some people when on roids thier bodies dont get accustomed to it
theirfor they end up with more side effects then the benefits of recovery
so not every one on roids get the same results
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10-12-2005, 09:58 AM #57NATURAL 4 LIFE!
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I find it pretty damn funny how some people love to hate on others simply because they have a super high quality physique. Some people on here need to wake up and realize exactly what CAN be achieved naturally when you are consistent with clean food intake, training and rest.
Also, another thing here must be realized by some of you haters...... realize that science and technology is getting better and better every year...in regards to supplements, timing of supps, etc...and if you are actually knowledgable with nutrition and are dedicated to bodybuilding, amazing things can be achieved. It is getting to the point now that elite naturals are ALMOST starting to look like their drugged up counterparts. And this isn't because they are juicing themselves, it's because people are learning how to take their bodies to the extreme as science and technology advances.
I too (like Layne), know a few naturals personally that are WORLD champions in Natural Federations, and believe me, they do not juice, but I've seen them compete in non-tested events and beat out half the guys that were on drugs. Pretty amazing ****, if you ask me.
Here is a pic of a guy I know personally who became world champion at the age of 40 something. He keeps getting better with age.... This guy has beaten out MANY guys on roids and won several non-tested contests. http://www.musclephotos.com/derrick.html
So, my message to you haters is this..... STOP being so f*cking ignorant when it comes to what can (and is) being achieved naturally. Think beyond your f*cking noses and see that incredible physiques can be built with adequate nutrition, smart supplement timing, intense consistent training and proper rest. It's as simple as that.
I know, because I too am gunning for my natural Pro card, and am living proof that a head-turning physique can be built all natural. It's time to wake up people, cuz it's your own ignorance hindering you.Last edited by Todd69; 10-12-2005 at 10:22 AM.
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10-12-2005, 10:25 AM #58
I dig what you saingOriginally Posted by Todd69
you can build a great body naturally
see http://www.uk-muscle.com/ukmuscle/fo...aspx?pid=32049
Alun Davies is a friend of my brother, those pix he was at 3% body fat
he wighed in at 85 Kg
Off season at 8% bodyfat all yaer round wighes 14.10 stones
Now thats big (15 Years worth of consistent training)
but to be like the size and condition of the top 5 Mr O is unlikely possible.
Unless the discover plants/herbs that enhance recovery in a simmilar to roids in the near future
Ps:The natural way is the best way
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10-12-2005, 10:30 AM #59NATURAL 4 LIFE!
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Originally Posted by Iron_Fist
Yep, of course no natural is going to ever get the size of a top 5 Mr O... that is obvious, but where I have a problem is with those who say "oh, that natural guy is on roids for sure"...or "Bull**** he is natural, look how big and ripped he is" That is where I have a problem with ignorant people who say **** like that and have idea of what IS really possible naturally.================================
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Holy ****, you're on your way.Originally Posted by str8flexeddeport me back to mexico
. jk. I have been on this board almost as long as Layne and it has been awesome to witness his progress and love for the sport. Don’t let the haters get to you. Getting pissed off only gives them what they want and will never change someone’s mind.
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