Outline of Dave Palumbo's Diet For Cutting

[tinyman5000]

The logic of what? No sarcasm there, I don't understand the question. If you are saying 400 grams of protein is illogical I guess that is a matter of opinion.

If you can cut on 3200 calories at 144lbs then I envy your metabolism. That would be very nice to have. I weigh between 180-190 and I can generally maintain on 2800ish. 3200 would be the start of a bulk for me, and I weigh 40-45lbs more than you do.

Don't envy it I have to eat papaya and take antacids, im just saying there's a point in which too much protein becomes pointless (even a waste). I'm growing and leaning out at 200g/ a day at 4200-4500 depending on activity and I'd probably cut at 2g/lb at most,

[cbs]

I would wait... You shouldn't be going balls out on cardio where you would need nutrition after it. Plus, the increased lyposis is awesome.

thanks bro! I have been waiting from 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours before getting substance in my system, in this case, a protein shake. So I have been doing right then by taking advantage of lyposis!

[deathhand]

just wondering which meals should be post/pre workout? or does it not matter at all?

[-Aaron-]

hey aaron i'm not a big fan of these diets (mostly because I keep reading about how these diets are used by people running monster fat burners and doing cutting cycles) but how is this working for you? I don't want to ask anyone else because they're gonna go on and on about how awesome it is, but i've been lurking here and you seem to be doing this as an experiment almost. The only reason I wonder is curiousity, seems weird to eat all this ****ing protein

I understand you're not a big fan of these diets, but let's be honest, this is nothing more than an altered Keto diet. Also with this diet, it's recommended not to use them doing it as the release of cortisol would be high.

As for my results, for me it has shown the best improvement in muscle mass and bodyfat loss. In two weeks, I'm down from 217 to 209 and lost 2.5% bodyfat. I'm at 10.5% now and after this diet, I'll bulk correctly now.

It is a lot of protein, but the fat spares the protein much like the Velocity Diet, but you are still eating solid foods. Would I recommend it to those just trying to lose fat? No. Would I recommend it to people like you who are experienced in the field of bodybuilding? Yes.

[-Aaron-]

thanks bro! I have been waiting from 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours before getting substance in my system, in this case, a protein shake. So I have been doing right then by taking advantage of lyposis!

Yep, just make sure you are within a 110-130 bmp heart-rate and you wont need post-workout nutrition.

[-Aaron-]

Experiment Update:

I've recently added ON 100% Casein to the Isopure shake for the last week and I'm still in strong ketosis. Reason being is that it keeps me fuller, longer. Just thought people would like to know.

[tinyman5000]

Experiment Update:

I've recently added ON 100% Casein to the Isopure shake for the last week and I'm still in strong ketosis. Reason being is that it keeps me fuller, longer. Just thought people would like to know.

probably less catabolic too. Would a blend be better

[-Aaron-]

probably less catabolic too. Would a blend be better

Yep, it's what I use...

[tinyman5000]

Yep, it's what I use...

I mean you're a medical student, would you seriously recomend me consuming over 2g/lb of protein if i needed to cut in the future (i'll probably have to cut light at about 160-165 for like 8 weeks to be shredded). I mean i dont get it, sure the fat spares the protein, but he said 10% might be burned up, why not just eat 10% more unsaturated fats or MCT oil, or omega 3's?

[-Aaron-]

I mean you're a medical student, would you seriously recomend me consuming over 2g/lb of protein if i needed to cut in the future (i'll probably have to cut light at about 160-165 for like 8 weeks to be shredded). I mean i dont get it, sure the fat spares the protein, but he said 10% might be burned up, why not just eat 10% more unsaturated fats or MCT oil, or omega 3's?

You do realize for your weight you will need to adjust the diet, right? For my weight, I'm only consuming 250 grams of protein and I'm 209.

[tinyman5000]

You do realize for your weight you will need to adjust the diet, right? For my weight, I'm only consuming 250 grams of protein and I'm 209.

of course, but mine would probably have like 60-65% fat

[dvsness]

Experiment Update:

I've recently added ON 100% Casein to the Isopure shake for the last week and I'm still in strong ketosis. Reason being is that it keeps me fuller, longer. Just thought people would like to know.

I used Isolate for one and Protein Component for my last one, iirc. The few g carbs from the protein didn't have any negative impact.

[MattyH7688]

yea im using milk protein isolate from atw.. i like it A LOT more than whey

plus i can make almost a pudding out of it

[-Aaron-]

yea im using milk protein isolate from atw.. i like it A LOT more than whey

plus i can make almost a pudding out of it

How much is that running you? ON Casein is 36 bucks plus shipping for 4 pounds.

[MattyH7688]

How much is that running you? ON Casein is 36 bucks plus shipping for 4 pounds.

40-45 for 5lbs

[-Aaron-]

40-45 for 5lbs

Ture Portein? Or elsewhere?

[MattyH7688]

Ture Portein? Or elsewhere?

all the whey

[-Aaron-]

all the whey

Good looking out.

[Captain Sagara]

I'm using straigh protein isolated,90 calories per scoop,23 grams of protein,no fat,no carbs at all...

[MattyH7688]

I'm using straigh protein isolated,90 calories per scoop,23 grams of protein,no fat,no carbs at all...

same with milk protein isolate

[deathhand]

just wondering which meals should be post/pre workout? or does it not matter at all?

anyone?

[Captain Sagara]

anyone?

I do the steak more greens and olive oil pre...
Peanut butter shake post...

[fates_child03]

Definitely some awesome information in this thread. Going to start cutting using this diet on Monday. I've spent the last 12 weeks or so bulking and have gained a nice amount of muscle but its time to get ripped up. I'll keep everyone posted on my experiences etc with this.

[-J.HiZ-]

just wondering which meals should be post/pre workout? or does it not matter at all?

Good question... anyone else care to indulge?

[MattyH7688]

it doesnt matter

[-J.HiZ-]

Any advice on coming off this diet to avoid weight gain? My normal diet consist of a 40/40/20 split between Protein/Carb/Fat. I would like to use this diet for some extra weight loss to reach my goals but want to keep it off for the long run. If taking fiber supplements, do you count these as carbs? Thanks in advance!

any thoughts?

[-J.HiZ-]

it doesnt matter

Thanks for the response... how is this diet working for you so far? Also, how does one know their body is even in a state of ketosis?

[MUFC]

Thanks for the response... how is this diet working for you so far? Also, how does one know their body is even in a state of ketosis?

Most pharmacies sell ketostix that you can pee on and you will know. They are quite inexpensive.

[mbrewer20]

I read the posts about not using milk so i tried using water and it was quite disgusting. Is it possible to use skim milk and still see achieve the same results? Could I cut something out to compensate for using milk?

[getbustered]

I read the posts about not using milk so i tried using water and it was quite disgusting. Is it possible to use skim milk and still see achieve the same results? Could I cut something out to compensate for using milk?

No.

Look at the side of your milk jug. 8oz of milk has 11g of carbs in it. At 3 shakes per day that is 33 extra carbs. If your protein tastes like crap in water, buy better protein.