Navy Seal vs MMA fighter

[fred2367]

I never understood how people think military personnel are like super good fighters. They are trained for WAR. They train to survive and kill in a COMBAT ZONE... end of thread

exactly. Why in the hell would a soldier spend a lot of time training unarmed? The majorit of time he is gonna be fighting there is going to be a weapon involved. So you have a mma fighter who trains several hours of day in strickly hand to hand vs a navy seal who probably doesn't spend 10% of that time on hand to hand..

[Kozma]

ball tap and eye pokes doesn't negate good striking, wrestling, and jits

[mrtwister007]

Not to bash the OP but this debate is often rehashed over and over with people failing to realize its poorly founded. A SEAL fights to kill, with moves that are almost all illegal in the likes of UFC and other MMA orgs. UFC fighters are combat athletes, SEALS and for example Krav Maga experts are trained in the art of combat without the pretense of athletic competition.

Dead on. If there were no rules, a SEAL would kill any MMA fighter.

[HardGainer82]

As always, the phrase "who would win in a fight" needs further clarification.

[Kozma]

Dead on. If there were no rules, a SEAL would kill any MMA fighter.

How? With an eye gouge or nutshot? He would have to land it first and these moves dont always guarentee winning

[JJJJ4]

Dead on. If there were no rules, a SEAL would kill any MMA fighter.

Umm no. How exactly would they do this?

[Wendel_Clark_17]

People are retarded. What do you think a MMA fighter's going to do in a streetfight. Offer to shake hands first? Not kick to the head while on the ground? Walk back to their corner after five minutes for a drink of water? No they're going to fight just as dirty as anyone else except they're going to punch and grapple much better because they are world class fighters. MMA slaughters a seal in hand to hand combat.

[X-Mark-X]

People are retarded. What do you think a MMA fighter's going to do in a streetfight. Offer to shake hands first? Not kick to the head while on the ground? Walk back to their corner after five minutes for a drink of water? No they're going to fight just as dirty as anyone else except they're going to punch and grapple much better because they are world class fighters. MMA slaughters a seal in hand to hand combat.

I'm going to agree with this post. Strictly hand to hand combat I say the MMA fighter takes it easily. Even a completely untrained person would be smart enough to eye gouge or hit you in the balls or even grab a weapon in a life or death fight, and it's not like doing that takes a lot of technique.

That being said, as far as I know people in the military spend a very small amount of time training hand to hand combat (Which makes sense, they always have their weapons anyway and they are too busy training other things that they actually use). MMA fighters on the other hand train h2h exclusively, constantly repping out and perfecting their techniques, and getting them to the point of being instinct (how many times do you think the seals repped out their eye gouges and other "lethal" attacks? Oh that's right, you can't rep out stuff like that).

[mrtwister007]

LOL. You guys don't know any SEALs I'm guessing.

[Kozma]

LOL. You guys don't know any SEALs I'm guessing.

Describe to us the super hero SEALs you know then.

[mrtwister007]

Describe to us the super hero SEALs you know then.

I know two and neither one would even get into this discussion because they are humble. Nor would they say they are "super hero's". One is late 30's the other mid 40's and I would take either one of them vs. any MMA fighter I have ever seen. The things they have been through doesn't even compare to anything with fighting for "sport". Those guys have had to fight to stay alive and I would siffice to say that's a whole different kind of fighting.

[smokeater]

In a combat situation I'll take the SEAL. In a sport fight I'll take the MMA fighter. Simple as that. Put them on skates I'll take your average NHL goon over both of them.

There are too many "what if" scenarios to make any sort of definitive statement about who would win.

**If you know any real SEALs please don't mention them by name on an open board like this. Remember that the enemies of the US could be reading this too**

[the_mvp]

I know a good few ex-Paratroopers that do boxing, judo, wrestling etc.

They have great athletic ability, excellent fitness, drive & determination liuke no one ive saw before. Those guys competed in the army in those sports & are very good at them.

I also know a few infantry men, they cant fight. Cant box, cant wrestle. Cant do anything but say, "yeah but if you went to clinch me id stab you". Fair enough.

Basically, people are taught what they need, is it important for a soldier to be ABLE to do a heel hook or throw low kicks?, no. If you tried to low kick them, would they shoot you?, yes.

In a sick kinda way, since th OP brought it up, id like to see 20 MMA pros VS 20 paras/ SEALS in a combat situation armed with knives & hand guns, wearing MMA shorts & belt for holding weapons/ammo.

[Wendel_Clark_17]

Again people act like MMA fighters have never been in a street fight or won't fight dirty. If SEALS are such great fighters why wouldn't they switch to MMA or boxing and make millions of dollars? SEALS, Paratroopers, etc. would very rarely encounter hand-to-hand combat situations. Drop a SEAL into a cage with Fedor Emelianenko and say fight to the death, Fedor's going to win.

[hardheart]

I would rather fight Fedor than any veteran Navy Seal.

The survival instinct is what got us to where we are on the evolutionary scale, not the athletic instinct.

[guest89]

I know two and neither one would even get into this discussion because they are humble. Nor would they say they are "super hero's". One is late 30's the other mid 40's and I would take either one of them vs. any MMA fighter I have ever seen. The things they have been through doesn't even compare to anything with fighting for "sport". Those guys have had to fight to stay alive and I would siffice to say that's a whole different kind of fighting.

Yes, they may be tough and conditioned but they don't have the technique to take out a pro MMA fighter (unless they get a lucky punch in).


Awhile back I think it was like 3 seals got into a bar fight with 2 pro MMA fighters.


The SEALs got dominated... There is no denying this, it actually happened and it was all over. I'm assuming your relatively new to MMA or you'd have heard of it.


The average Marine gets like 2-3 days H2H training max? The average SEAL might get what, 1-2 weeks of H2H training?

How can that compare with years of training every day hours upon hours a day?

[user179133]

WHO CARES? It would never happen. Ask ANYONE thats in the military let alone the infantry. If at any point in combat I was fighting with my own two hands, something was REALLY ****ed up. Thats the reason you spend 10 hours a day clearing rooms with an M16/M4 etc. and NOT doing H2H instruction.

agreed

but to humor the OP...the mma fighter would easily win. think about it...you are talking about someone who makes it their life to kick another guys ass with his bare hands.

that is not what seals do. not one part of buds says "kick this guys ass and youre in." im sure their conditioning is amazing...as well as their marksmanship and mental toughness...but mma guys train every single day on a very focused subject.

[user179133]

I know two and neither one would even get into this discussion because they are humble. Nor would they say they are "super hero's". One is late 30's the other mid 40's and I would take either one of them vs. any MMA fighter I have ever seen. The things they have been through doesn't even compare to anything with fighting for "sport". Those guys have had to fight to stay alive and I would siffice to say that's a whole different kind of fighting.

yes but with knives and guns...totally different thing

much respect to them still though

[bigpushup]

So when I totaled my car this past Friday, I was talking to a cop who came to my car, he was an ex Navy seal and we got into a good debate about who would win in a fight, a Navy Seal or a MMA fighter. Ofcourse, me being pro MMA and him be an ex Seal, we already had our picks.

His arguements were that the Navy Seal has the mixed martial arts training, unmatched cardio and the complete mindset that if they fail in combat, they will die.

My arguement was that MMA fighters train all day on how to better prepare themselves for combat when a seal has to also focus on other aspects like shooting, weapon combat and other various missions that would take up most of their time. Also a MMA fighter can or will have the mindset that the opponent is trying to kill them as well so failure can not be an option.

I'm guessing, the outcome would be dependant on the person but what do you think?

wtf why does anyone from the military think that they are like invincible? Just because you go and learn to shoot guns and get shot at doesnt mean you're the best at everything.

[JJJJ4]

Wow a lot of retards in this thread. I cant beleive anybody can seriously say a SEAL would beat an MMA fighter. Youre basically pitting trained fighter vs. untrained fighter and saying the untrained fighter would win. Hell, police officers deal in hand to hand street situations every single day, as opposed to seals most of whom will never be in that kind of situation. Does anyone think a cop would beat an mma fighter?

[2kool4skool]

Wow a lot of retards in this thread. I cant beleive anybody can seriously say a SEAL would beat an MMA fighter. Youre basically pitting trained fighter vs. untrained fighter and saying the untrained fighter would win. Hell, police officers deal in hand to hand street situations every single day, as opposed to seals most of whom will never be in that kind of situation. Does anyone think a cop would beat an mma fighter?

Agreed, I think people believe SEALS train hours a day of hand to hand combat. As BOZZ said earlier, if a SEAL eveer found himself without a weapon, they have done something wrong.

If SEALS really had the skills to mop the floor with Fedor, then one of them would have stepped in and made a few million bucks once he's done with his service. I'm sure they could adjust to the no ball kicks or eye gouges within a short period of time....

Hand to hand....MMA fighter kills the SEAL
Weapons, SEAL wins

I really don't see how anyone could see it any other way.

[Radok]

randy made the army instructor submit?

well i'm not trying to discredit the army but navy seal is an elite class in comparison and an instructor could be in any shape, a current navy seal would be in amazing shape.

anyone have a link to that episode, would be fun to watch.

It wouldn't even matter if the seal didn't submit. He'd just get his arm broken or choked unconscious, and if it was a real fight and he wouldn't give up, Randy could just as easily kill him.

[user179133]

wtf why does anyone from the military think that they are like invincible? Just because you go and learn to shoot guns and get shot at doesnt mean you're the best at everything.

i agree with this completely. to answer your rhetorical question though...it is because they are trained (especially marines) to believe they can kick anyones ass any time. imho this is a great mindset for our military...

true story: my buddy is army infantry..and came home on leave for a week or so. we were wrestling for fun one day after he shot me with an airsoft gun point blank....i dominated the entire thing. he was surprised that i even came after him given his military background. my answer...why wouldn't i? no this isnt a story to pump myself up..and we weren't hitting each other..it's only an example...

[chodan9]

I may be wrong but most military personel (incuding special forces types) get at most a few hundred hours of training in hand to hand combat. Most MMA guys have had thousands of hours of martial arts training before they even decide to get into MMA, then they add several thousand hours of MMA training on top of that.
Who would win? The the Navy Seal who trains in MMA in his spare time :-)

[Kane Fan]

Yes, they may be tough and conditioned but they don't have the technique to take out a pro MMA fighter (unless they get a lucky punch in).


Awhile back I think it was like 3 seals got into a bar fight with 2 pro MMA fighters.


The SEALs got dominated... There is no denying this, it actually happened and it was all over. I'm assuming your relatively new to MMA or you'd have heard of it.


The average Marine gets like 2-3 days H2H training max? The average SEAL might get what, 1-2 weeks of H2H training?

How can that compare with years of training every day hours upon hours a day?

I read that SEAL H2H training is 19 hours
dunno what timeframe it's spaced out over but could easily be covered in a week
I remember 19 hours cus I thought hey why not give them 5 more hours and say we at least give them a full day's training

[user179133]

**If you know any real SEALs please don't mention them by name on an open board like this. Remember that the enemies of the US could be reading this too**

this isnt the cia. knowing the name of a seal aint gunna do ****. if it was that big of a deal then they wouldnt tell you they were a seal

[smokeater]

this isnt the cia. knowing the name of a seal aint gunna do ****. if it was that big of a deal then they wouldnt tell you they were a seal

Go to www.specialoperations.com. Ask real SEALs, Rangers, Green Berets, etc how they feel when their names are randomly thrown out on the internet for anyone to read. Then ask them why they don't take kindly to it.

[BlazerXX]

Yeah seals would beat a trained mma fighter like Fedor with ease....

just like there are monks who practice secret kung fu death touches that can kill a person at any pressure point

[Kozma]

I know two and neither one would even get into this discussion because they are humble. Nor would they say they are "super hero's". One is late 30's the other mid 40's and I would take either one of them vs. any MMA fighter I have ever seen. The things they have been through doesn't even compare to anything with fighting for "sport". Those guys have had to fight to stay alive and I would siffice to say that's a whole different kind of fighting.

Look dude, you can have all the experience in warfare you want but that **** doesn't matter when you have someone good at boxing punches you in the chin and knocks you out or when a good grappler works his moves on you. You can't magically "tough" your way through a hard punch or full mount.

I'm not ****ting on SEALs. They are obviously incredibly tough, conditioned, and probably have good hand to hand skills but its not enough to take on a combat athlete. Its like asking "who would win on the football field, SEAL or NFL player"

[Mindripper]

So when I totaled my car this past Friday, I was talking to a cop who came to my car, he was an ex Navy seal and we got into a good debate about who would win in a fight, a Navy Seal or a MMA fighter. Ofcourse, me being pro MMA and him be an ex Seal, we already had our picks.

His arguements were that the Navy Seal has the mixed martial arts training, unmatched cardio and the complete mindset that if they fail in combat, they will die.

My arguement was that MMA fighters train all day on how to better prepare themselves for combat when a seal has to also focus on other aspects like shooting, weapon combat and other various missions that would take up most of their time. Also a MMA fighter can or will have the mindset that the opponent is trying to kill them as well so failure can not be an option.

I'm guessing, the outcome would be dependant on the person but what do you think?

It's totally dependant on the individuals and what the situation was...

One of my instructors in the Marines was an Olympic level Judo competitor and probably the best wrestler (Collegiate) I have ever rolled with now mix that with trained to kill and what do you get?

A badass that will eat Cheerios out of most people's skulls including other trained fighters.

But it so subjective of a question it's not a plausible debate.