exactly. Why in the hell would a soldier spend a lot of time training unarmed? The majorit of time he is gonna be fighting there is going to be a weapon involved. So you have a mma fighter who trains several hours of day in strickly hand to hand vs a navy seal who probably doesn't spend 10% of that time on hand to hand..
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12-04-2007, 04:06 AM #31
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12-04-2007, 04:45 AM #32
ball tap and eye pokes doesn't negate good striking, wrestling, and jits
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12-04-2007, 07:50 AM #33
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12-04-2007, 07:52 AM #34
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As always, the phrase "who would win in a fight" needs further clarification.
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12-04-2007, 09:13 AM #35
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12-04-2007, 09:17 AM #36
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12-04-2007, 10:55 AM #37
People are retarded. What do you think a MMA fighter's going to do in a streetfight. Offer to shake hands first? Not kick to the head while on the ground? Walk back to their corner after five minutes for a drink of water? No they're going to fight just as dirty as anyone else except they're going to punch and grapple much better because they are world class fighters. MMA slaughters a seal in hand to hand combat.
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12-04-2007, 12:05 PM #38
I'm going to agree with this post. Strictly hand to hand combat I say the MMA fighter takes it easily. Even a completely untrained person would be smart enough to eye gouge or hit you in the balls or even grab a weapon in a life or death fight, and it's not like doing that takes a lot of technique.
That being said, as far as I know people in the military spend a very small amount of time training hand to hand combat (Which makes sense, they always have their weapons anyway and they are too busy training other things that they actually use). MMA fighters on the other hand train h2h exclusively, constantly repping out and perfecting their techniques, and getting them to the point of being instinct (how many times do you think the seals repped out their eye gouges and other "lethal" attacks? Oh that's right, you can't rep out stuff like that).
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12-04-2007, 12:16 PM #39
LOL. You guys don't know any SEALs I'm guessing.
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12-04-2007, 12:26 PM #40
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12-04-2007, 01:03 PM #41
I know two and neither one would even get into this discussion because they are humble. Nor would they say they are "super hero's". One is late 30's the other mid 40's and I would take either one of them vs. any MMA fighter I have ever seen. The things they have been through doesn't even compare to anything with fighting for "sport". Those guys have had to fight to stay alive and I would siffice to say that's a whole different kind of fighting.
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12-04-2007, 02:17 PM #42
In a combat situation I'll take the SEAL. In a sport fight I'll take the MMA fighter. Simple as that. Put them on skates I'll take your average NHL goon over both of them.
There are too many "what if" scenarios to make any sort of definitive statement about who would win.
**If you know any real SEALs please don't mention them by name on an open board like this. Remember that the enemies of the US could be reading this too**
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12-04-2007, 02:48 PM #43
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I know a good few ex-Paratroopers that do boxing, judo, wrestling etc.
They have great athletic ability, excellent fitness, drive & determination liuke no one ive saw before. Those guys competed in the army in those sports & are very good at them.
I also know a few infantry men, they cant fight. Cant box, cant wrestle. Cant do anything but say, "yeah but if you went to clinch me id stab you". Fair enough.
Basically, people are taught what they need, is it important for a soldier to be ABLE to do a heel hook or throw low kicks?, no. If you tried to low kick them, would they shoot you?, yes.
In a sick kinda way, since th OP brought it up, id like to see 20 MMA pros VS 20 paras/ SEALS in a combat situation armed with knives & hand guns, wearing MMA shorts & belt for holding weapons/ammo.VaianT ends with a T
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12-04-2007, 03:16 PM #44
Again people act like MMA fighters have never been in a street fight or won't fight dirty. If SEALS are such great fighters why wouldn't they switch to MMA or boxing and make millions of dollars? SEALS, Paratroopers, etc. would very rarely encounter hand-to-hand combat situations. Drop a SEAL into a cage with Fedor Emelianenko and say fight to the death, Fedor's going to win.
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12-04-2007, 03:52 PM #45
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I would rather fight Fedor than any veteran Navy Seal.
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12-04-2007, 04:14 PM #46
Yes, they may be tough and conditioned but they don't have the technique to take out a pro MMA fighter (unless they get a lucky punch in).
Awhile back I think it was like 3 seals got into a bar fight with 2 pro MMA fighters.
The SEALs got dominated... There is no denying this, it actually happened and it was all over. I'm assuming your relatively new to MMA or you'd have heard of it.
The average Marine gets like 2-3 days H2H training max? The average SEAL might get what, 1-2 weeks of H2H training?
How can that compare with years of training every day hours upon hours a day?Last edited by guest89; 12-04-2007 at 04:18 PM.
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12-04-2007, 04:23 PM #47
agreed
but to humor the OP...the mma fighter would easily win. think about it...you are talking about someone who makes it their life to kick another guys ass with his bare hands.
that is not what seals do. not one part of buds says "kick this guys ass and youre in." im sure their conditioning is amazing...as well as their marksmanship and mental toughness...but mma guys train every single day on a very focused subject.
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12-04-2007, 04:24 PM #48
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12-04-2007, 04:30 PM #49
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12-04-2007, 04:36 PM #50
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Wow a lot of retards in this thread. I cant beleive anybody can seriously say a SEAL would beat an MMA fighter. Youre basically pitting trained fighter vs. untrained fighter and saying the untrained fighter would win. Hell, police officers deal in hand to hand street situations every single day, as opposed to seals most of whom will never be in that kind of situation. Does anyone think a cop would beat an mma fighter?
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12-04-2007, 04:40 PM #51
Agreed, I think people believe SEALS train hours a day of hand to hand combat. As BOZZ said earlier, if a SEAL eveer found himself without a weapon, they have done something wrong.
If SEALS really had the skills to mop the floor with Fedor, then one of them would have stepped in and made a few million bucks once he's done with his service. I'm sure they could adjust to the no ball kicks or eye gouges within a short period of time....
Hand to hand....MMA fighter kills the SEAL
Weapons, SEAL wins
I really don't see how anyone could see it any other way.
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12-04-2007, 04:50 PM #53
i agree with this completely. to answer your rhetorical question though...it is because they are trained (especially marines) to believe they can kick anyones ass any time. imho this is a great mindset for our military...
true story: my buddy is army infantry..and came home on leave for a week or so. we were wrestling for fun one day after he shot me with an airsoft gun point blank....i dominated the entire thing. he was surprised that i even came after him given his military background. my answer...why wouldn't i? no this isnt a story to pump myself up..and we weren't hitting each other..it's only an example...
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12-04-2007, 05:35 PM #54
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training time
I may be wrong but most military personel (incuding special forces types) get at most a few hundred hours of training in hand to hand combat. Most MMA guys have had thousands of hours of martial arts training before they even decide to get into MMA, then they add several thousand hours of MMA training on top of that.
Who would win? The the Navy Seal who trains in MMA in his spare time :-)
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12-04-2007, 09:38 PM #55
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12-04-2007, 10:54 PM #56
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12-05-2007, 08:20 AM #57
Go to www.specialoperations.com. Ask real SEALs, Rangers, Green Berets, etc how they feel when their names are randomly thrown out on the internet for anyone to read. Then ask them why they don't take kindly to it.
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12-05-2007, 08:28 AM #58
Yeah seals would beat a trained mma fighter like Fedor with ease....
just like there are monks who practice secret kung fu death touches that can kill a person at any pressure point"I've known Francois for over ten years now, he's got it all under control. He's probably got everything planned down, to the very. Last. Minute."
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12-05-2007, 08:42 AM #59
Look dude, you can have all the experience in warfare you want but that **** doesn't matter when you have someone good at boxing punches you in the chin and knocks you out or when a good grappler works his moves on you. You can't magically "tough" your way through a hard punch or full mount.
I'm not ****ting on SEALs. They are obviously incredibly tough, conditioned, and probably have good hand to hand skills but its not enough to take on a combat athlete. Its like asking "who would win on the football field, SEAL or NFL player"Last edited by Kozma; 12-05-2007 at 08:44 AM.
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12-05-2007, 08:42 AM #60
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It's totally dependant on the individuals and what the situation was...
One of my instructors in the Marines was an Olympic level Judo competitor and probably the best wrestler (Collegiate) I have ever rolled with now mix that with trained to kill and what do you get?
A badass that will eat Cheerios out of most people's skulls including other trained fighters.
But it so subjective of a question it's not a plausible debate.Semper Fi
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