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    Navy Seal vs MMA fighter

    So when I totaled my car this past Friday, I was talking to a cop who came to my car, he was an ex Navy seal and we got into a good debate about who would win in a fight, a Navy Seal or a MMA fighter. Ofcourse, me being pro MMA and him be an ex Seal, we already had our picks.

    His arguements were that the Navy Seal has the mixed martial arts training, unmatched cardio and the complete mindset that if they fail in combat, they will die.

    My arguement was that MMA fighters train all day on how to better prepare themselves for combat when a seal has to also focus on other aspects like shooting, weapon combat and other various missions that would take up most of their time. Also a MMA fighter can or will have the mindset that the opponent is trying to kill them as well so failure can not be an option.

    I'm guessing, the outcome would be dependant on the person but what do you think?

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    dunno but i know on Pros vs Joes Randy Couture was on and faced an Army close combat instructor and made him submit like 5-7 times in 2-3 minutes

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    ok dude. A Seal doesn't train MMA in a rash guard and board shorts. He's got a full flak jacket with sappy plates, kevlar, boots, and utilities... i don't think a Seal is exactly well versed in the sport of MMA

    Just my two cents though.

    If it were in a combat situationt hough, Seal for the win
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    randy made the army instructor submit?

    well i'm not trying to discredit the army but navy seal is an elite class in comparison and an instructor could be in any shape, a current navy seal would be in amazing shape.

    anyone have a link to that episode, would be fun to watch.

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    Originally Posted by Ehyun55 View Post
    ok dude. A Seal doesn't train MMA in a rash guard and board shorts. He's got a full flak jacket with sappy plates, kevlar, boots, and utilities... i don't think a Seal is exactly well versed in the sport of MMA

    Just my two cents though.

    If it were in a combat situationt hough, Seal for the win
    there's videos out there of seals doing BJJ in MMA shorts etc. I'm not talking about in full seal gear because a seal would just plop out his gun or knife and it'd be game over.

    the military has martial arts competitions, don't know if it's mixed though.

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    I think the MMA fighter will most likely win. The Seal will be tough, athletic and in good shape but if he cant defend submissions or get out of a MT clinch or get off his back from GnP etc, then hes obviously screwed.
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    Originally Posted by Boxerz View Post
    randy made the army instructor submit?

    well i'm not trying to discredit the army but navy seal is an elite class in comparison and an instructor could be in any shape, a current navy seal would be in amazing shape.

    anyone have a link to that episode, would be fun to watch.

    A random hand to hand combat instructor for the army isn't gonna beat one of the best fighters in the world.

    SEAL's are elite for tons of reasons. Brutal training and selection lots of training in badass things... but that's not MMA.

    If it were any different SEAL's would just be going into UFC and dominating.
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    in a street fight where anything goes the seal in the cage with a ref then the mma fighter

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    MMA in every situation. Why? Because that is ALL they train for--fighting.

    Seals train in, like you said, shooting, formations, school even...

    They'd be tough, but MMA would definitely win....aside from the freak KO or whatever that is bound to happen when two men of ANY caliber fight.

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    Not to bash the OP but this debate is often rehashed over and over with people failing to realize its poorly founded. A SEAL fights to kill, with moves that are almost all illegal in the likes of UFC and other MMA orgs. UFC fighters are combat athletes, SEALS and for example Krav Maga experts are trained in the art of combat without the pretense of athletic competition.

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    no

    MMA fighter.

    SEAL is mostly weapons training. They have limited H2H combat training.
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    MMA fighter hands-down. Some marine walked into my gym acting all cocky and yelling "YEAH!!! This is MY HOUSE!!!" and called out our 155-lb fighter, though the guy looked to weigh over 200. He got knocked out and nose-bloodied within the first 20 seconds.

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    Originally Posted by hre_m3 View Post
    Not to bash the OP but this debate is often rehashed over and over with people failing to realize its poorly founded. A SEAL fights to kill, with moves that are almost all illegal in the likes of UFC and other MMA orgs. UFC fighters are combat athletes, SEALS and for example Krav Maga experts are trained in the art of combat without the pretense of athletic competition.
    QFT

    In fact, if you think about it, a highly experienced MMA fighter almost goes into a street fight with a disadvantage. He has trained extensively to fight a certain way, under certain rules, to the extent where the threats he responds to on instinct are a product of those rules (as is his fighting style).

    Take, for example, the difficulties that fighters have simply when switching between different MMA organisations. They have to readapt themselves to a slightly different set of rules, and can suffer for it.

    That situation is only exacerbated in a NHB street fight. Now usually this would not make a difference, as the MMA guy is trained highly enough that Joe Barstool still gets his ass kicked. But if the other guy is an experienced NHB-style fighter?that?s a different story.

    It's the same argument as <insert boxer> vs MMA practitioner. In a boxing match, he wins, in an MMA match, MMA guy wins. In an NHB fight (particularly one with a lot of environmental hazards/weapons of opportunity) then SEAL/Krav guy probably wins, because he automatically goes for the lethal/most disabling move, while MMA guy has to modify his mindset.

    Edit: Standard training in Krav for getting out of most holds, for example, involves an open hand slap/flick to the balls (much more effective than a punch, actually) and using your opponents eyeballs for leverage. If you can't get him off like that, insert thumb up to the second knuckle.

    Of course, Krav/SEAL guy then goes to jail for using excessive force, but that's another story.
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    The only reason the Seal is gonna lsoe is they are playing into MMA rules.

    If a MMA plays into a seals rules, fight to the death, i think the Seals gonna come out on top.

    Not really a fair comparison.

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    Its already happened in a bar room fight and the pro MMA fighter won. It was all over the news.


    The thing you have to remember is SEALs aren't really trained to fist fight, nor to follow rules. In a real situation they are going to shoot you, if that fails stab you, and if that fails pick up the nearest weapon and incapacitate you. They aren't really trained to go h2h with another guy and follow rules... Just as a pro MMA fighter couldn't survive in an ocean or jungle.
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    Originally Posted by Psychochink View Post
    QFT

    In fact, if you think about it, a highly experienced MMA fighter almost goes into a street fight with a disadvantage. He has trained extensively to fight a certain way, under certain rules, to the extent where the threats he responds to on instinct are a product of those rules (as is his fighting style).

    Take, for example, the difficulties that fighters have simply when switching between different MMA organisations. They have to readapt themselves to a slightly different set of rules, and can suffer for it.

    That situation is only exacerbated in a NHB street fight. Now usually this would not make a difference, as the MMA guy is trained highly enough that Joe Barstool still gets his ass kicked. But if the other guy is an experienced NHB-style fighter?that?s a different story.

    It?s the same argument as <insert boxer> vs MMA practitioner. In a boxing match, he wins, in an MMA match, MMA guy wins. In an NHB fight (particularly one with a lot of environmental hazards/weapons of opportunity) then SEAL/Krav guy probably wins, because he automatically goes for the lethal/most disabling move, while MMA guy has to modify his mindset.

    Of course, Krav/SEAL guy then goes to jail for using excessive force, but that?s another story.
    That does make sense, and I can see reasonable arguments for both sides. Of course, if you're an MMA guy whose also trained to fight on lethal levels, like my Sensei does with his students since he considers the cage merely an outlet for training minus the lethal **** (obviously), then it's a different story, but then we're talking about specific training issues that only means anything with specific individuals.

    Interesting.

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    Originally Posted by Ultra_Magnus View Post
    The only reason the Seal is gonna lsoe is they are playing into MMA rules.

    If a MMA plays into a seals rules, fight to the death, i think the Seals gonna come out on top.

    Not really a fair comparison.
    Why would you say that? I think itd be very easy for someone with alot of grappling experience to choke the **** out of a seal. I would NEVER bet on the seal VS a BJJ/SAMBO black belt or muay thai expert.

    All youre doing in a lethal fight is cranking it up and going for more sensitive areas. I think the seal is toast in a fight with a MARTIAL ARTS EXPERT LOL.. I mean cmon.

    If this was a who was a better swimmer..then id say seal.
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    No weapons, a good pro MMA fighter would either pound the SEALS's skull in or choke him to death in a matter of minutes.

    Weapons, the SEAL would most likely win.

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    WHO CARES? It would never happen. Ask ANYONE thats in the military let alone the infantry. If at any point in combat I was fighting with my own two hands, something was REALLY ****ed up. Thats the reason you spend 10 hours a day clearing rooms with an M16/M4 etc. and NOT doing H2H instruction.
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    Originally Posted by BOZZ View Post
    WHO CARES? It would never happen. Ask ANYONE thats in the military let alone the infantry. If at any point in combat I was fighting with my own two hands, something was REALLY ****ed up. Thats the reason you spend 10 hours a day clearing rooms with an M16/M4 etc. and NOT doing H2H instruction.
    exactly.

    Seals as well as other offices in the millitary do very little h2h
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    SEAL (or any military) is probably a bad example, in any case. My argument applies more to those who train in Krav and other NHB styles.

    The real question is how much does that 'sports' mindset affect you (i.e. how much of a difference can it make)?
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    Originally Posted by Psychochink View Post
    SEAL (or any military) is probably a bad example, in any case. My argument applies more to those who train in Krav and other NHB styles.

    The real question is how much does that 'sports' mindset affect you (i.e. how much of a difference can it make)?
    I still doubt it's as much as you think, but I see where you're coming from. I've seen guys hold back in their first MMA fights before and lose because of it because they still had the sparring mentality of not going full-power or not using their full amount of skill so as not to injure the other guy. So, I can see it happening, but it's an iffy subject.

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    it really depends
    does the SEAL get to sneak up on the MMA guy and knife him?
    or is it an MMA match
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    Originally Posted by guest89 View Post

    The thing you have to remember is SEALs aren't really trained to fist fight, nor to follow rules. In a real situation they are going to shoot you, if that fails stab you, and if that fails pick up the nearest weapon and incapacitate you. They aren't really trained to go h2h with another guy and follow rules... Just as a pro MMA fighter couldn't survive in an ocean or jungle.
    Originally Posted by BOZZ View Post
    WHO CARES? It would never happen. Ask ANYONE thats in the military let alone the infantry. If at any point in combat I was fighting with my own two hands, something was REALLY ****ed up. Thats the reason you spend 10 hours a day clearing rooms with an M16/M4 etc. and NOT doing H2H instruction.
    Exactly, if a Navy Seal is somehow in a combat situation without a gun or knife (which is already highly unlikely), they will be looking for a weapon, they aren't going to sit there and trade punches, they will do whatever they can to take you out.

    It's a pointless debate and as others have said because they train for two completely different scenarios.
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    ya i get the point, it's like trying to say boxing vs UFC, all different rules, different setups, gloves etc.

    10th poster pretty much cleared it up.

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    I'm pretty sure than an MMA fighter knows the difference between a street fight and an MMA fight. A lot of people seem to assume that they have no comprehension that they can do whatever they want in a street fight.

    But anyway, as for my opinion on this matter, the MMA guy wins this easily. Might be a different case if weapons are used, but I don't think that's what's being asked here.

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    SEAL via knee to the groin

    In an MMA sanctioned fight with typical MMA rules, the MMA guy would win. It's not even worth making a debate about in my opinion. It's like the :

    "Who's better, Rangers, SEALS, SF, or Recon" type threads.

    All the groups train for different types of missions, different styles of fighting, different expertise, etc.

    MMA guys would win MMA fights, SEALS would win in a combat situation type of fight.

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    All I know is Seals are bad ****in ass that was my goal when younger was to be a seal and then be a firefighter after that. Still a possibility but I don't think I have the mental state you need to be a seal much respect to seals well anyone defending our country.

    How about a Seal who is also a mixed martial arts EXPERT that'd be sick.

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    I never understood how people think military personnel are like super good fighters. They are trained for WAR. They train to survive and kill in a COMBAT ZONE... end of thread

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