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    ECA Stack- side effects--dosage--results?

    I seen a few mention the ECA stack. I have heard some bad stories on those who took ephedrine---for a 150 lb girl (5'4'')--think i'll be harmed by a stack of 8mg/200mg/81mg (ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin). I think i will prob need to increase the ephedrine as i notice most of the info i read is atleast 25mg---but i am kinda afraid to do this.

    I tookthe first dose this a.m. before my cardio. I train weights at night/ Is it okay to take it on an empty stomach?

    Will i get results with this dosage???
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    only back thing about taking it at night is you'll be up ALL night. i've never had a problem taking it on an empty stomach. i usually take it before i work out and drink a cup of coffee while im working out.
    Occasionally i'll just drink a cup of coffee and no ephedrine added if im working out at night. this is because i have sleep issues and well, i just need my coffee while im working out.

    i think your stack is fine. just be prepared to be more alert and possibly not be able to get to sleep at night if you take it in the evening.
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    When I first started taking this. I did ECA 12.5/200/80 1x day
    I ended up not taking the A anymore no specific reason just didnt.
    So I have done it this way 12.5/200 for the first few days I took it and never take it after 2:30 cuz you wont sleep until late 11pm for me with last dose at 2pm.
    Then I have taken it 12.5/200 x 2 day
    and 25/200 x 2 day. I have only 3 x day once otr twice too much for me. BTW I am 5'2 118lb

    You can play with it and adjust as you feel fit.

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    I have taken it 25g E/200 caf/300(what ever a real asprin is) up to 3 times a day with NO problems. I can not even tell that I am taking it - except when it wears off I become VERY sleepy. EVERYONE is different my girlfriend took one full 25/200 and thought she was going to jump out of her skin. Start off w/ 1/2 and adjust from there.
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    Originally Posted by barnetjs
    I have taken it 25g E/200 caf/300(what ever a real asprin is) up to 3 times a day with NO problems. I can not even tell that I am taking it - except when it wears off I become VERY sleepy. EVERYONE is different my girlfriend took one full 25/200 and thought she was going to jump out of her skin. Start off w/ 1/2 and adjust from there.
    It does make me a lil bit jittery too well maybe more than a lil bit it depends somedays I feel it more? The def down side is the CRASH, yep makes me feel tired and blah no energy but while its working you can zip through cardio(big plus hate cardio now).
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    Originally Posted by barnetjs
    I have taken it 25g E/200 caf/300(what ever a real asprin is) up to 3 times a day with NO problems. I can not even tell that I am taking it - except when it wears off I become VERY sleepy. skin. Start off w/ 1/2 and .
    I take the same once in the morning when I get up and again about a half hour before an evening workout. It seems to help with energy but I haven't lost any weight at all, even though I eat well and have good, strong workouts. Before ephedra was banned, I was taking Stacker 2 3x's a day and man, did it work! I was really lean and about 15 pounds lighter. I WANT THAT BACK !
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    Hi wondered if any 1 can help me...ive purchased some eca stack (to aid weight loss) and took my first 1 this morning 45mins before food as instructed on the bottle....after 45mins i started to feel really faint and thick headed my pupils went sooo small and i thought i was going to be sick...i also got really bad cotton wool mouth, im sure i didnt overdose as it says 1-2 pills and i only took one...is this a normal reaction to this drug?? i dont know how people can workout on this stuff as i was having a hard time staying concious!!there was no way i could eat so the appitite dreppression is definatly wrking!! i am otherwise a healthy 22yr old...should i half the dose again?? i took this pill almost 2hrs ago and im only just starting to feel better although still really thick headed

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    Not a woman but I felt the need to help. Boots's dosages seem right. I do 25mg 3x/day with 200mg caffeine each time. Also take NOW Green Tea Extract with the first 2 doses per day.

    Also, for dosing time schedules, first thing when you wake up, then 4 hours afterwards subsequently. That's the half life for the ephedrine which means that you're keeping your body outside of the optimal useful range for the stack by waiting longer in between.

    Also, if I take it inside 7 hours before bed, I can't sleep. Had to learn THAT one the hard way.

    For cardio, high incline walking (4% incline, 4 mph for 20 minutes worked for me).

    As far as lifting late, I'd go without any pre-supps b/c you're going to mess with your sleep.


    Also, I take it 15 minutes before eating and no less than one hour after my last meal/snack.
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    im kinda scared to take 3 times a day if it made me feel like this...do u think halfing the dose will help?? is it a normal reaction i had?? the pills i got were off a guy that deals the steriods in my partners gym the combo is epherdine 30mg caffine 200mg asprin 50mg, are these too high?? help!!!
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    Originally Posted by katielead130 View Post
    im kinda scared to take 3 times a day if it made me feel like this...do u think halfing the dose will help?? is it a normal reaction i had?? the pills i got were off a guy that deals the steriods in my partners gym the combo is epherdine 30mg caffine 200mg asprin 50mg, are these too high?? help!!!
    Way too high. I weigh between 200 and 215 depending on the preceeding days/week and I only take 25mg per dose.

    And I never saw the need for asprin. EGCg worked fine for me.

    Tell him to give you your money back and do a little bit more research next time. Look into 8mg pills like Boots recommended.
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    Originally Posted by M4A1 Widowmaker View Post
    Way too high. I weigh between 200 and 215 depending on the preceeding days/week and I only take 25mg per dose.

    And I never saw the need for asprin. EGCg worked fine for me.

    Tell him to give you your money back and do a little bit more research next time. Look into 8mg pills like Boots recommended.


    do u think i should half the caps or stop taking them all together?? thanks for replying to me by the way also do u take 25g 3times per day? or do u take 2 caps making it 50g per dose??
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    Hi..
    I take my EC stack like Widowmaker
    I do 25 E/200 C/ 315 (one green tea pill)
    I don't take the asprin either
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    Originally Posted by katielead130 View Post
    do u think i should half the caps or stop taking them all together?? thanks for replying to me by the way also do u take 25g 3times per day? or do u take 2 caps making it 50g per dose??
    I think you should stop altogether. The caffeine level is good for you but the ephedrine is way too high for even me.

    I do 25mgE, 200mgC, 400mgEGCg twice and 25E, 200C as my last dose of the day.

    I take them 4 hours apart because after 4 hours, the half life of the E drops below a valuable level.

    Originally Posted by vanessa40 View Post
    Hi..
    I take my EC stack like Widowmaker
    I do 25 E/200 C/ 315 (one green tea pill)
    I don't take the asprin either
    That's a lot for a relatively small woman (no offense)...no issues with the jitters or headaches?


    Here is exactly what I used to formulate my EC stack:
    http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

    It's basically the end-all, be-all of the ins and outs of the EC stack. Read it a dozen times...it's a great resource.
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    I've taken 20mg E/200mg C before after tapering up and was ok. Tolerance seems to depend more on the individual than bodyweight. But starting at 30mg was a very bad idea, the pills should have been cut in half, and really, I'd recommend just taking 15mg at a time, and never the full pill since you are small.

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    Originally Posted by terracotta View Post
    I've taken 20mg E/200mg C before after tapering up and was ok. Tolerance seems to depend more on the individual than bodyweight. But starting at 30mg was a very bad idea, the pills should have been cut in half, and really, I'd recommend just taking 15mg at a time, and never the full pill since you are small.

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    hi, the pills i have r in a cap with the powder inside...if i half this, how do i take it? should i empty half in to a small glass of water?? is that safe, would it harm my stomach it not being enclosed in a cap?? or should i empty half out the cap, and join the cap back 2getha and throw away the other half??

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    Hi..
    I've been taking it on and off for about 2 years now.
    I've never had a issue with it..it's the only caffiene i take besides some coffee
    I don't drink sodas
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    Originally Posted by vanessa40 View Post
    Hi..
    I've been taking it on and off for about 2 years now.
    I've never had a issue with it..it's the only caffiene i take besides some coffee
    I don't drink sodas

    hi, i took 1/3 of the tablet 30mg E 200mg c 80mg a....i felt fine and had no side effects thank god!! i just wondered if taking 1/3 x2 per day would still have an effect?? (weight loss??) or should i up it to half per dose??
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    me again....took 1/3 of my 30e 200c 80a this morning and felt really ill?? i was fine with this yesterday! ive thown those tabs away now and am looking in to 8mg e as suggested, unfortunatly it doesnt look like i can get hold of any...not even off the net as they are banned in uk and they wont ship here has anyone tried synephrine?? this is supposed to be the legal substitute .... would this work????

    any replys will be greatly appreciated
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    Originally Posted by katielead130 View Post
    me again....took 1/3 of my 30e 200c 80a this morning and felt really ill?? i was fine with this yesterday! ive thown those tabs away now and am looking in to 8mg e as suggested, unfortunatly it doesnt look like i can get hold of any...not even off the net as they are banned in uk and they wont ship here has anyone tried synephrine?? this is supposed to be the legal substitute .... would this work????

    any replys will be greatly appreciated
    Synephrine won't do anything for fat loss. You'd be better off trying one of the better fat burners, such as Prolab Thermo Fire or DS Adrenalean or MAN Scorch.
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    Originally Posted by katielead130 View Post
    hi, the pills i have r in a cap with the powder inside...if i half this, how do i take it? should i empty half in to a small glass of water?? is that safe, would it harm my stomach it not being enclosed in a cap?? or should i empty half out the cap, and join the cap back 2getha and throw away the other half??

    thanks x
    Oh, and this is not a good idea. I have no clue how they are filled, and whether the powder is uniformly mixed.
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    Be sure you know why you're taking an ECA stack to begin with and if it fits in with your fitness goals. Most of the time it's unnecessary and leads to dehydration & fatigue.

    I've taken a 30mg ephedrine stack for over a year, and recently realized that I've gotten better results without it.

    If you haven't restricted the calories in your diet too drastically, you can usually get enough energy from the foods you eat and by having 2-3 green teas throughout the day. (Provided you have enough rest.)

    The mistake I made when taking a fat burner is thinking that because my heart rate soared during cardio & weight training, I was working out at the highest level of effort I possibly could. WRONG. Taking a fat burner before a workout made me fatigue faster and get my heart rate up very high without much effort at all. All the cardio I did took away from the time I could have spent building muscle which would increase fat burning naturally.

    In the past two months I've stayed away from an ECA stack and increased my weight training efforts. Instead of overdoing it with cardio, I throw in several HIIT sessions which boosts fitness & endurance, while blasting away fat, preserving muscle, and maintaining a high level of heart rate.

    In my opinion, the only sensible time fat burners should be used is in the last few weeks out when dieting for a competition. But this is based on my experience with a heavy stack. I can't comment on the lighter ones.
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    Smile ec stack not working for fat loss for me

    I have been taking 25mg e/200mg caffeine upon rising 6am and again at 11:30am both on empty stomach, and already have very clean diet, and no results and it has been 2 weeks...no side effects and I cannot take a third dose as I tried on a weekend and did not sleep cuz the 3rd dose would be around 2........so I wanted to break the plateau and no luck; should i still stay on the stack? I got caplets where terracotta recommended so I know they are real...........I am 5 ft 4, 118lbs.....thanks for any advice.
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    Originally Posted by Balanced4f4 View Post
    I have been taking 25mg e/200mg caffeine upon rising 6am and again at 11:30am both on empty stomach, and already have very clean diet, and no results and it has been 2 weeks...no side effects and I cannot take a third dose as I tried on a weekend and did not sleep cuz the 3rd dose would be around 2........so I wanted to break the plateau and no luck; should i still stay on the stack? I got caplets where terracotta recommended so I know they are real...........I am 5 ft 4, 118lbs.....thanks for any advice.
    You should be getting some result regardless of the EC stack over a 2 week span of good training and dieting. You say you eat 'clean', but are you sufficiently low enough in calories to lose? What is your training like?
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    Originally Posted by dvsness View Post
    You should be getting some result regardless of the EC stack over a 2 week span of good training and dieting. You say you eat 'clean', but are you sufficiently low enough in calories to lose? What is your training like?
    Good point, you can eat clean all you want but calories in must be lower then calories out, else your not going to be going anywher, or will be losing weight.
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    doesnt asprin constrict blood vessels and decrease muscle synthesis so its not really good on a cut? i really dont get why people take asprin...
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    Originally Posted by davidthefat View Post
    doesnt asprin constrict blood vessels and decrease muscle synthesis so its not really good on a cut? i really dont get why people take asprin...
    It was shown to significantly decrease muscle synthesis only in high doses. Aspirin reduces blood pressure, and a baby (81mg) aspirin *could* prevent EC related blood pressure issues. Aspirin also increases the effectiveness of the stack (although this was only tested at 325mg aspirin 3x/day, and not with the small ones).
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    would it be ok to take the eca stack in the morning with supercharge, and then take just supercharge alone before I lift?
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    Originally Posted by katielead130 View Post
    Hi wondered if any 1 can help me...ive purchased some eca stack (to aid weight loss) and took my first 1 this morning 45mins before food as instructed on the bottle....after 45mins i started to feel really faint and thick headed my pupils went sooo small and i thought i was going to be sick...i also got really bad cotton wool mouth, im sure i didnt overdose as it says 1-2 pills and i only took one...is this a normal reaction to this drug?? i dont know how people can workout on this stuff as i was having a hard time staying concious!!there was no way i could eat so the appitite dreppression is definatly wrking!! i am otherwise a healthy 22yr old...should i half the dose again?? i took this pill almost 2hrs ago and im only just starting to feel better although still really thick headed

    please help!!!
    What you are experiencing is completely normal! Some people react differently to the stack then others. I personally have breakfast then about an 1-1.5 hrs later take my first dose. Taking the stack on an empty stomach can make you feel really ill, dizzy and feel faint.

    Start off in 1/3 doses 3x daily and by day 3 you should be ok to be taking full doses. The cotton mouth is also normal, drink plenty of water with the stack. You may experience headaches, joint and muscle pains if you are dehydrated and not drinking enough water with the stack. Again at first it may seem overwhelming but as a few days go by you should be able to handle it without any problems.

    I run it 3x daily.. about 1-1.5 hours after waking up, again early afternoon and my last dose around 5-6pm just before my workout. Run it for 3-4 wks and then take a brake for about 2 wks. It worked wonders for me, really does help you to lose weight rapidly but again, it is only a supplement.. you must also eat clean and exercise to get the full benefits and see real results of the stack.
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    Originally Posted by Balanced4f4 View Post
    I have been taking 25mg e/200mg caffeine upon rising 6am and again at 11:30am both on empty stomach, and already have very clean diet, and no results and it has been 2 weeks...no side effects and I cannot take a third dose as I tried on a weekend and did not sleep cuz the 3rd dose would be around 2........so I wanted to break the plateau and no luck; should i still stay on the stack? I got caplets where terracotta recommended so I know they are real...........I am 5 ft 4, 118lbs.....thanks for any advice.
    Are u excerising? Stressed?? ECA is a supplement, u must also workout and eat clean to see and get the true results of the stack! It works wonders for me and gives me plenty of energy through out my day and during my workouts. Also, you must drink plenty of water and keep yourself well hydrated. The problem maybe with your diet. Are you eatting enough calories? You must also eat, eat 5 times daily, lots of protein, shakes, and small healthy meals. Up your workout intensity as well and eat the right foods and also sleep at least 7 hrs a day.
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