Summary:The goals during this review:Science / Theory:
Phase 1: Evaluate cnidium monnier stacked with a Nitric Oxide precursor (White Blood) at various dosages
Phase 2: Evaluate cnidium monnier as a standalone at various dosages
Age: 27
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Nitric Oxide stimulates cGMP production
cGMP = cyclic guanosine monophosphate = increased blood flow / cell volumization
PDE-5 (Phosphodiesterase-V) binds to and destroys cGMP
Cnidium Monnier, the natural form of 4-methylpiperazine increases nitric oxide release, and inhibits PDE-5
In theory, Cnidium + White Blood + Weight Lifting should be synergistic and enhance hypertrophy / recovery
Sex: Male
Height: 6ft
Weight: 245-248
Bodytype: Ecto
Prohormone/Steroid use:None. I did a few clean cycles of 6-OXO, which overwhelmingly is NOT considered a PH/PS/Steroid. The cycles were cut short due to unpleasant side effects around week 2-3.Training experience:I was 6ft, 130lbs at age 19 when I joined the military. By age 24, not only was I a weak, out-of-shape 175lbs, but my body felt like ****, and my joints hurt. So in the last 3 years I went from a out-of-shape 175lbs to a leaner 250lbs.Injuries:
I've tried 5x5 training and liked it
I've tried MAX-OT and liked it
I've attempted Conjugated Periodization and didn't enjoy it
I made a HUGE mistake last year when I did a cutting phase from 225lbs to 205lbs, but I have since bulked back up, and broke through a 220-225lb plateau.Left neck / shoulder / trap pain possibly related to 2003 (?) when I flipped a 4-wheeler.Training Schedule/Protocol:
Recently hit by a car, but luckily just bumps and bruises5 days a week, with a 4 x 8-12 rep range. Workouts usually last around 1 to 1.5 hours. Usually 1RM monthly... but haven't 1RM lately due to injury.Cardio Schedule/Protocol:
Sun: Legs
Mon: Off
Tue: Chest / Back
Wed: Legs
Thu: Off
Fri: Chest
Sat: Back
Note: This is simply a "basic" outline that I follow.
3-5 days a week, low/medium intensity 30-60mins unless otherwise noted.Current supplements:Bulk WPC Protein powderCurrent "Budget" Diet:
Multivitamin
Controlled Labs - White Blood (as noted)
Controlled Labs - Green Bulge
Cnidium Monnier 35% (dosages as noted)
400g + Protein daily, around 200g from Whey ProteinPrescription/Recreational drugs: None
Lean Beef
Lean Turkey / Chicken Breast
Eggs
Skim Milk, around 1 gallon per day
Steel cut oats
Rice
Tuna
Pasta
V8
Supplement history:I respond fairly well to creatine, and in the past I have tried Green Bulge, MAN Clout, Omega Thunder, NOS Ether, Swole V2, BSL Kre-alkalyn and many other creatine products.Other product reviews I have done:
I respond very well to Cell Volumizers, and in the past I have used White Blood, NOS XXX, Extreme NOS Precursor, L-Arginine powder, L-Arginine Pyroglutamate Powder, L-Citrulline Powder, Ergopharm Stamino2, Carnosine, Glycerine, Ribose, Taurine, Twinlab Male Fuel, Syntrax Nitrous
I respond fairly well to stimulants/thermogenics, and in the past I have used Ready4War, Diesel Fuel Reloaded, Powertrain, ECY Stack, Tyrosine, Green Tea Extract, Nicotine 1mg Gum, Caffeine, EPH 833, EPH 1000, Ripped Fuel, Y-HCL on it's own.
Whey Protein:
Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel
Syntrax Nectar - Roadside Lemonade
Syntrax Nectar - Apple Ecstacy
Syntrax Nectar - Crystal Sky
Syntrax - I****trix Reloaded
Syntrax Matrix - Perfect Chocolate
Molecular Nutrition - Whey Fruity
All The Whey - Orange
All The Whey - Chocolate
All The Whey - Vanilla
All The Whey - Banana
Optimum Nutrition - Anabolic Milk Protein
Optimum Nutrition - Vanilla Ice Cream
Optimum Nutrition 100% - Vanilla
Dymatize - Elite Whey
Dymatize - Orange Dreamsicle
Cytosport - Cytogainer - Cookies n Cream
Instone - Smooth Chocolate
Substance WPI - Grape
Substance WPI - Watermelon (Original Version)
Substance WPI - Watermelon (New and Improved version)
Substance WPI - Vanilla Bean
Black Star Labs - Watermelon Isolate
Black Star Labs - Chocolate (WPC)
Black Star Labs - Orange (WPC)
Black Star Labs - Fruit Punch (WPC)
Cell volumizers:
Controlled Labs - White Blood / Green Bulge Stack
NOW Foods 100% Pure Glycerine
Omega Sports Cre-Ethyl Thunder
Man - Clout
Get Diesel Nutrition - NOS Ether
Syntrax - Swole V2
Ergopharm - Stamino2
Nitric Oxide ( NO2 ) precursors:
Controlled Labs - White Blood / Green Bulge Stack
Get Diesel Nutrition - Extreme NOS Precursor
Get Diesel Nutrition - NOS XXX
Fatloss / Thermgenics / Stimulants / Energy:
Myochem - Throttle 1400x
Get Diesel Nutrition - READY4WAR
KAL Fishoil
Get Diesel Nutrition - Diesel Fuel
LegalGear - Powertrain
Scivation - Neurostim / Neurostim C
Omega Sports - Powerjolt vs. Powerjolt V2
Epic Nutrition - 5-Tetra
EAA's / BCAA's:
Optimum Nutrition - Superior Amino 2222
Universal - Animal NitroG
Black Star Labs - NitroJet
Other / Specialized:
Legal Gear - Dermasize
Molecular Nutrition - X-Factor
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Thread: pt's Cnidium Monnier review
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09-21-2005, 10:42 AM #1
pt's Cnidium Monnier review
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09-21-2005, 11:07 AM #3
subscribed I'm not familiar with CM but I see it's in a lot of Test Boosters/Sex Enhancers. Does this mean you'll be cutting a lot of "wood" with this supplement? <img src="images/smilies/biggrin.gif">
Cut Goals/Actuals Phase 1:
1/1: 255 / 255 | 1/8: 252.5 / 251.5 | 2/5: 243.5 / 240.0 | 3/4: 236.5 / 235.5 | 4/1: 231 / 233 | 5/6: 225 / 229|
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09-21-2005, 01:04 PM #4
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09-21-2005, 06:07 PM #5
Day 1: Legs
Unfortunately, I don't have a digital scale at this time.. so exact dosing will be a issue for now...
3pm: I took approx. 1/8 of the tiny scoop that was provided and put the powder into a 00 size capsule. I took it on a mostly empty stomach with my Green Bulge and White Blood.
4pm: Whey
4-6pm: Cardio + Workout
Nothing unusual while biking... as I started my leg workout I felt kind of "out of it" and borderline dizzy... but not to the point that it worried me. The dizzy feeling went away.
About 30 mins into my workout I noticed something odd. My arms felt VERY pumped without working them directly... I really doubt that it's placebo, that's how strange it felt. No PR's and I noticed nothing strength-wise, but my calves have had a painful, sustained pump for the last 3 hours. It feels pretty cool.
I gained 6 lbs of waterweight during my workout, which is more than usual (lately)... and reminds me off the cell volumization when stacking glycerine + creatine + Arginine / Ornithine. I was still very thirsty post workout.Free agent
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09-21-2005, 07:00 PM #6
PU, good update. I've never felt a pump in my calves or legs for that matter, sounds interesting. 6 lbs of water weight gain in a w/o? <img src="images/smilies/eek.gif">
Cut Goals/Actuals Phase 1:
1/1: 255 / 255 | 1/8: 252.5 / 251.5 | 2/5: 243.5 / 240.0 | 3/4: 236.5 / 235.5 | 4/1: 231 / 233 | 5/6: 225 / 229|
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09-21-2005, 07:30 PM #7
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09-21-2005, 08:34 PM #8
Hey PU what made you decide to try this?? Ive never heard of it
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09-22-2005, 10:48 AM #10
Day 2:
I'm still feeling more pumped than usual... especially the "peaks" of my bi's and my calves.
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Originally Posted by MCWTRAINER
Originally Posted by warriorsLast edited by pu12en12g; 09-22-2005 at 10:59 AM.
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09-24-2005, 08:50 PM #11
Day 2: Chest
Cell volumization and sustained pumps are in effect despite no crazy strength increases. Most noticable in my quads and calves (jeans and pants tight in the morning, as if I just got done working out).
Same dosage and timing today. Great workout despite my diet being less than optimal including pre-workout nutrition. Water intake has been very high, and feeling very thirsty. I felt my whole body pulsating during my workout, but no strength gains worth noting.
Day 3: Off
Weight: 249
Day 4: OffLast edited by pu12en12g; 09-24-2005 at 08:56 PM.
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09-27-2005, 08:11 PM #16
Day 5:Back
The pumps really can't be described... pain... but it's a good pain. Thirsty as hell..
Day 6:Chest
I've basically eliminated the placebo effect at this point... this is the first day I noticed a very noticable difference in spontaneous erections (over and above the effects of White Blood).
Note: I've been getting about 75mg.. and this stuff has a noticable effect. I will be increasing my dosage to 100mg. It's also worth noting (erection related) that I'm a "hyper responder" to Yohimbine and Arginine... so don't be mad if you don't have similar results as far as erections.Free agent
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09-27-2005, 08:16 PM #17
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http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s812.htm
I found this but if you are getting those results with just 75mg's these
550mg caps would make you burst .[ANS Performance Representative]
Disclaimer: The above post is my PERSONAL OPINION and DOES NOT REPRESENT the official position of any company or entity. It DOES NOT constitute medical advice.
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09-27-2005, 08:19 PM #18Originally Posted by dtrain13
Remember, I'm stacking it with White Blood and Green Bulge.. so pumps were already intense... the exciting part will be when I drop the White Blood, and run the CM as a standalone...Free agent
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09-27-2005, 08:23 PM #19
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09-27-2005, 10:02 PM #22Originally Posted by pu12en12g
Dropping white blood!!!
Also pu12 you have any links where i can read up on this??"It's not that i'm that smart, it's just i picked a profession where everybody is stupid" Patrick Arnold
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09-29-2005, 11:16 AM #26
Day 7: Legs
Had a great workout yesterday... one of the best leg workouts since X-Factor. My nutrition has been very consistent, so this combo is definately having a noticable effect. Recovery is great. Muscle fullness is great. Sexual side effects are great.Free agent
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09-29-2005, 11:40 AM #30Originally Posted by jkeithc82
Originally Posted by Viperspit
- Dosed properly according to bodyweight
- Stacked with creatine and LOTS of water (expect several lbs of waterweight to be gained during each workout)
- Bulking
- Getting a high protein intake
- Stacked with a nitric oxide precursor for best results (numerous cheap ones to choose from)
Having said that (and assuming that these effects continue)... it's hard to beat Cnidium convenience-wise... it packs a punch in milligram doses and glycerine tastes pretty bad / painfully sweet.Last edited by pu12en12g; 09-29-2005 at 11:45 AM.
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