pt's Cnidium Monnier review

**pu12en12g** · 09-21-2005, 10:42 AM

Summary:

The goals during this review:

Phase 1: Evaluate cnidium monnier stacked with a Nitric Oxide precursor (White Blood) at various dosages

Phase 2: Evaluate cnidium monnier as a standalone at various dosages

Science / Theory:

<img src="http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/cnidium.gif">
Nitric Oxide stimulates cGMP production

cGMP = cyclic guanosine monophosphate = increased blood flow / cell volumization

PDE-5 (Phosphodiesterase-V) binds to and destroys cGMP

Cnidium Monnier, the natural form of 4-methylpiperazine increases nitric oxide release, and inhibits PDE-5

In theory, Cnidium + White Blood + Weight Lifting should be synergistic and enhance hypertrophy / recovery

Age: 27
Sex: Male
Height: 6ft
Weight: 245-248
Bodytype: Ecto

Prohormone/Steroid use:

None. I did a few clean cycles of 6-OXO, which overwhelmingly is NOT considered a PH/PS/Steroid. The cycles were cut short due to unpleasant side effects around week 2-3.

Training experience:

I was 6ft, 130lbs at age 19 when I joined the military. By age 24, not only was I a weak, out-of-shape 175lbs, but my body felt like ****, and my joints hurt. So in the last 3 years I went from a out-of-shape 175lbs to a leaner 250lbs.

I've tried 5x5 training and liked it
I've tried MAX-OT and liked it
I've attempted Conjugated Periodization and didn't enjoy it

I made a HUGE mistake last year when I did a cutting phase from 225lbs to 205lbs, but I have since bulked back up, and broke through a 220-225lb plateau.

Injuries:

Left neck / shoulder / trap pain possibly related to 2003 (?) when I flipped a 4-wheeler.
Recently hit by a car, but luckily just bumps and bruises

Training Schedule/Protocol:

5 days a week, with a 4 x 8-12 rep range. Workouts usually last around 1 to 1.5 hours. Usually 1RM monthly... but haven't 1RM lately due to injury.

Sun: Legs
Mon: Off
Tue: Chest / Back
Wed: Legs
Thu: Off
Fri: Chest
Sat: Back

Note: This is simply a "basic" outline that I follow.

Cardio Schedule/Protocol:

3-5 days a week, low/medium intensity 30-60mins unless otherwise noted.

Current supplements:

Bulk WPC Protein powder
Multivitamin
Controlled Labs - White Blood (as noted)
Controlled Labs - Green Bulge
Cnidium Monnier 35% (dosages as noted)

Current "Budget" Diet:

400g + Protein daily, around 200g from Whey Protein
Lean Beef
Lean Turkey / Chicken Breast
Eggs
Skim Milk, around 1 gallon per day
Steel cut oats
Rice
Tuna
Pasta
V8

Prescription/Recreational drugs: None

Supplement history:

I respond fairly well to creatine, and in the past I have tried Green Bulge, MAN Clout, Omega Thunder, NOS Ether, Swole V2, BSL Kre-alkalyn and many other creatine products.

I respond very well to Cell Volumizers, and in the past I have used White Blood, NOS XXX, Extreme NOS Precursor, L-Arginine powder, L-Arginine Pyroglutamate Powder, L-Citrulline Powder, Ergopharm Stamino2, Carnosine, Glycerine, Ribose, Taurine, Twinlab Male Fuel, Syntrax Nitrous

I respond fairly well to stimulants/thermogenics, and in the past I have used Ready4War, Diesel Fuel Reloaded, Powertrain, ECY Stack, Tyrosine, Green Tea Extract, Nicotine 1mg Gum, Caffeine, EPH 833, EPH 1000, Ripped Fuel, Y-HCL on it's own.

Other product reviews I have done:

Whey Protein:

Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel
Syntrax Nectar - Roadside Lemonade
Syntrax Nectar - Apple Ecstacy
Syntrax Nectar - Crystal Sky
Syntrax - Isomatrix Reloaded
Syntrax Matrix - Perfect Chocolate
Molecular Nutrition - Whey Fruity
All The Whey - Orange
All The Whey - Chocolate
All The Whey - Vanilla
All The Whey - Banana
Optimum Nutrition - Anabolic Milk Protein
Optimum Nutrition - Vanilla Ice Cream
Optimum Nutrition 100% - Vanilla
Dymatize - Elite Whey
Dymatize - Orange Dreamsicle
Cytosport - Cytogainer - Cookies n Cream
Instone - Smooth Chocolate
Substance WPI - Grape
Substance WPI - Watermelon (Original Version)
Substance WPI - Watermelon (New and Improved version)
Substance WPI - Vanilla Bean
Black Star Labs - Watermelon Isolate
Black Star Labs - Chocolate (WPC)
Black Star Labs - Orange (WPC)
Black Star Labs - Fruit Punch (WPC)

Cell volumizers:

Controlled Labs - White Blood / Green Bulge Stack
NOW Foods 100% Pure Glycerine
Omega Sports Cre-Ethyl Thunder
Man - Clout
Get Diesel Nutrition - NOS Ether
Syntrax - Swole V2
Ergopharm - Stamino2

Nitric Oxide ( NO2 ) precursors:

Controlled Labs - White Blood / Green Bulge Stack
Get Diesel Nutrition - Extreme NOS Precursor
Get Diesel Nutrition - NOS XXX

Fatloss / Thermgenics / Stimulants / Energy:

Myochem - Throttle 1400x
Get Diesel Nutrition - READY4WAR
KAL Fishoil
Get Diesel Nutrition - Diesel Fuel
LegalGear - Powertrain
Scivation - Neurostim / Neurostim C
Omega Sports - Powerjolt vs. Powerjolt V2
Epic Nutrition - 5-Tetra

EAA's / BCAA's:

Optimum Nutrition - Superior Amino 2222
Universal - Animal NitroG
Black Star Labs - NitroJet

Other / Specialized:

Legal Gear - Dermasize
Molecular Nutrition - X-Factor

**dtrain13** · 09-21-2005, 10:44 AM

Sweet!!!

If this prooves to be benefitial when used with White Blood might we see a formula change?

**Viperspit** · 09-21-2005, 11:07 AM

subscribed

I'm not familiar with CM but I see it's in a lot of Test Boosters/Sex Enhancers. Does this mean you'll be cutting a lot of "wood" with this supplement? <img src="images/smilies/biggrin.gif">

**CHUCK DIESEL** · 09-21-2005, 01:04 PM

When I take CM it doesn�t give me better boners they just hurt. It�s hard to explain.

**pu12en12g** · 09-21-2005, 06:07 PM

Day 1: Legs

Unfortunately, I don't have a digital scale at this time.. so exact dosing will be a issue for now...

3pm: I took approx. 1/8 of the tiny scoop that was provided and put the powder into a 00 size capsule. I took it on a mostly empty stomach with my Green Bulge and White Blood.

4pm: Whey

4-6pm: Cardio + Workout

Nothing unusual while biking... as I started my leg workout I felt kind of "out of it" and borderline dizzy... but not to the point that it worried me. The dizzy feeling went away.

About 30 mins into my workout I noticed something odd. My arms felt VERY pumped without working them directly... I really doubt that it's placebo, that's how strange it felt. No PR's and I noticed nothing strength-wise, but my calves have had a painful, sustained pump for the last 3 hours. It feels pretty cool.

I gained 6 lbs of waterweight during my workout, which is more than usual (lately)... and reminds me off the cell volumization when stacking glycerine + creatine + Arginine / Ornithine. I was still very thirsty post workout.

**Viperspit** · 09-21-2005, 07:00 PM

PU, good update. I've never felt a pump in my calves or legs for that matter, sounds interesting. 6 lbs of water weight gain in a w/o? <img src="images/smilies/eek.gif">

**CreatineMan** · 09-21-2005, 07:30 PM

nice log so far...but thats usual from you. keep it up.

**warriors** · 09-21-2005, 08:34 PM

Hey PU what made you decide to try this?? Ive never heard of it

**MCWTRAINER** · 09-21-2005, 08:46 PM

Good thread. Didn't you scold me for doing something similar to this?

**pu12en12g** · 09-22-2005, 10:48 AM

Day 2:
I'm still feeling more pumped than usual... especially the "peaks" of my bi's and my calves.

Originally Posted by Viperspit

PU, good update. I've never felt a pump in my calves or legs for that matter, sounds interesting. 6 lbs of water weight gain in a w/o? <img src="images/smilies/eek.gif">

Yeah.. that's only slightly more than normal.. but noticable.

Originally Posted by MCWTRAINER

Good thread. Didn't you scold me for doing something similar to this?

I doubt it ?

Originally Posted by warriors

Hey PU what made you decide to try this?? Ive never heard of it

Well, I've been wanting to try cnidium as a standalone for quite a while now. I've been very interested in herbs ever since I tried Yohimbe for the first time, and was VERY impressed (so was she

)...

**pu12en12g** · 09-24-2005, 08:50 PM

Day 2: Chest
Cell volumization and sustained pumps are in effect despite no crazy strength increases. Most noticable in my quads and calves (jeans and pants tight in the morning, as if I just got done working out).

Same dosage and timing today. Great workout despite my diet being less than optimal

including pre-workout nutrition. Water intake has been very high, and feeling very thirsty. I felt my whole body pulsating during my workout, but no strength gains worth noting.

Day 3: Off
Weight: 249

Day 4: Off

**jkeithc82** · 09-24-2005, 08:52 PM

Just curious Pure, where did you buy the Cnidium?

**pu12en12g** · 09-24-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

Just curious Pure, where did you buy the Cnidium?

You have mail

**jkeithc82** · 09-24-2005, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

You have mail

I have mail YAY

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**jkeithc82** · 09-24-2005, 09:02 PM

Awesome Pure. I will follow this review, this stuff looks promising.

**pu12en12g** · 09-27-2005, 08:11 PM

Day 5:Back
The pumps really can't be described... pain... but it's a good pain. Thirsty as hell..

Day 6:Chest
I've basically eliminated the placebo effect at this point... this is the first day I noticed a very noticable difference in spontaneous erections (over and above the effects of White Blood).

Note: I've been getting about 75mg.. and this stuff has a noticable effect. I will be increasing my dosage to 100mg. It's also worth noting (erection related) that I'm a "hyper responder" to Yohimbine and Arginine... so don't be mad if you don't have similar results as far as erections.

**dtrain13** · 09-27-2005, 08:16 PM

http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s812.htm
I found this but if you are getting those results with just 75mg's these
550mg caps would make you burst

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**pu12en12g** · 09-27-2005, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by dtrain13

http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s812.htm
I found this but if you are getting those results with just 75mg's these
550mg caps would make you burst

.

True story

especially if that is really 100% Cnidium Monnier... anything above 100mg and I'll be exceeding the maximum recommended dose.

Remember, I'm stacking it with White Blood and Green Bulge.. so pumps were already intense... the exciting part will be when I drop the White Blood, and run the CM as a standalone...

**dtrain13** · 09-27-2005, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

True story

especially if that is really 100% Cnidium Monnier... anything above 100mg and I'll be exceeding the maximum recommended dose.

Remember, I'm stacking it with White Blood and Green Bulge.. so pumps were already intense... the exciting part will be when I drop the White Blood, and run the CM as a standalone...

Are you using 100:1? Because I have seen it in different ratios starting at 20:1. I am thinking of doing the same thing as you aswell as adding some GM. I did find one source for L-Norvaline but is fecking $28 for a gram

.

**pu12en12g** · 09-27-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by dtrain13

Are you using 100:1? Because I have seen it in different ratios starting at 20:1. I am thinking of doing the same thing as you aswell as adding some GM. I did find one source for L-Norvaline but is fecking $28 for a gram

.

I'm using 35%.. I'm still shocked at that 550mg pill.... holy ****.

**jkeithc82** · 09-27-2005, 08:34 PM

Would you recommend this Pure, on a bulk or cut for best results?

BTW, my GB log is back up

**warriors** · 09-27-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

the exciting part will be when I drop the White Blood, and run the CM as a standalone...

Dropping white blood!!!

Also pu12 you have any links where i can read up on this??

**pu12en12g** · 09-27-2005, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by warriors

Dropping white blood!!!

Yep.. temporarily for the purpose of this experiment... also it was about time to cycle off for a bit anyways

**ironstrife** · 09-28-2005, 12:03 AM

so do u think it's enhacing the pumps?... or too early for an output?

**pu12en12g** · 09-29-2005, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by skyline1731

so do u think it's enhacing the pumps?... or too early for an output?

Enhancing and Sustaining them longer... yes.

**pu12en12g** · 09-29-2005, 11:16 AM

Day 7: Legs
Had a great workout yesterday... one of the best leg workouts since X-Factor. My nutrition has been very consistent, so this combo is definately having a noticable effect. Recovery is great. Muscle fullness is great. Sexual side effects are great.

**pu12en12g** · 09-29-2005, 11:23 AM

Phase II: 100mg Cnidium 35%
No White Blood

**jkeithc82** · 09-29-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

Would you recommend this Pure, on a bulk or cut for best results?

BTW, my GB log is back up

Bump Pure

**Viperspit** · 09-29-2005, 11:39 AM

Pure, in your opinion for pump effect, and potential for increased mass which supplement - Cnidium Monnier or Glycerol Monosat?

**pu12en12g** · 09-29-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

Would you recommend this Pure, on a bulk or cut for best results?

For permanent results, I'm thinking "bulk"...

Originally Posted by Viperspit

Pure, in your opinion for pump effect, and potential for increased mass which supplement - Cnidium Monnier or Glycerol Monosat?

Well I've used liquid glycerine enough to be able to say that nothing really comes close to glycerine / glycerol as far as instant, noticable effects when:

- Dosed properly according to bodyweight
- Stacked with creatine and LOTS of water (expect several lbs of waterweight to be gained during each workout)
- Bulking
- Getting a high protein intake
- Stacked with a nitric oxide precursor for best results (numerous cheap ones to choose from)

Having said that (and assuming that these effects continue)... it's hard to beat Cnidium convenience-wise... it packs a punch in milligram doses and glycerine tastes pretty bad / painfully sweet.

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