The best/most effective cycle lengths?

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 12:46 PM

DONT CHEAT WITH VOTING!! PLEASE, IT ONLY SCREWS THINGS UP FOR THE REST OF US WHO GIVE A DAMN.

THIS THREAD IS NOW A STICKY.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT CYCLE LENGTHS IN THIS THREAD AND MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED HERE IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT.

TAKE CARE AND GOOD CYCLING!

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 01:04 PM

Or if there is some other variation then please post it!

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 02:04 PM

I should have mentioned that I am referring to PH/PS cycles!

DaddyR · 09-14-2002, 02:09 PM

Thanks much, ww7! I'll be watching, and greatly appreciate any contributions anyone will make to this discussion!

bigbadboss101 · 09-14-2002, 03:16 PM

If some of these products takes 3 or more weeks to kick in, then short cycles won't be effective. I guess it depends a lot of the individuals. Some get immediate changes say on One+, while for other people they see results after 3 weeks?!

My concern regarding cycles of 8 weeks or more is at what point would the natural production be jeopardized to a point worth worrying? And after 8 weeks of use, one should at least be off for 16? Would natural production be somewhat close to normal after 4 months?

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 03:20 PM

For most people, 4 months is adequate to have full test recovery. Especially if you did post cycle therapy.

WW7

Come on guys, Vote!!!

MrTrap · 09-14-2002, 03:39 PM

I thought Par's comments in these two posts were good:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ick#post174228

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ick#post359880

Also, there was some good stuff in this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...threadid=48980

Finally, I know this isn't exactly what we have been talking about, but close enough, and I think the philosophy is worth thinking about:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum...postid=1787201

I think Pat Arnold has talked a few times about thinking about what will give the greatest gains over the long haul, rather than what will give the greatest gains in one cycle. This makes sense to me. I know I am older and more patient than most here but there are a few on this forum with concerns about sides and it makes sense to me that they should think about shorter cycles (and probably less androgenic supps). Maybe best/most effective cycle length shouldn't be thought of just in terms of maximum gains.

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by MrTrap

Maybe best/most effective cycle length shouldn't be thought of just in terms of maximum gains.

Absolutely! Just vote according to your opinion whatever its basis may be.

Baggio20 · 09-14-2002, 03:57 PM

I have allways woundered if nordiol takes as long time as injectable nandrolone to kick in or if it goes faster to see gains becouse it reaches the blood faster ??? i have not seen much feedback from nordiol users...

LethalGunz34 · 09-14-2002, 04:28 PM

Welcome back Wind

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by LethalGunz34
Welcome back Wind

Thanks bro! Glad to be back! Come on bro's, vote!!!!!!!!!!

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 08:38 PM

Thanks for the votes so far....lets keep them coming.

**97LT1** · 09-14-2002, 08:49 PM

Damn, it good to see you're still here Jake.

I didn't vote, as i have yet to start a cycle.

But, this is a interesting thread.

curt2go · 09-14-2002, 09:12 PM

What about 8 on 8 off... 8 on 12 off.. Those would be my choices...

windwords7 · 09-14-2002, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by curt2go
What about 8 on 8 off... 8 on 12 off.. Those would be my choices...

Sure those could work. For simplicities sake I just went with the "off twice as long as you were on" rule.

windwords7 · 09-15-2002, 12:36 AM

So far its 4 weeks on 4 weeks off twice in a row that is the preferred method. Interesting....

windwords7 · 09-15-2002, 07:00 PM

Results are still favoring the 4 week run.

labrad · 09-16-2002, 09:49 AM

Cool thread, but my favorite is not available (voting). I like 3 week cycles. This is when I start to notice the gains are slowing down and the sides are getting worse. So I have found that 3 weeks are best for me.

windwords7 · 09-16-2002, 02:07 PM

That's one for 3 week cycles!

DarkFalcon · 09-16-2002, 02:24 PM

Hmmm good thread windwords, I'm a little under 2 weeks from starting my one+ cycles and from what I read hear previously the 4 week runs sounded like the best option. So far with the voting it looks like this is the best choice. Hows the postate doing?

windwords7 · 09-16-2002, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by DarkFalcon
Hmmm good thread windwords, I'm a little under 2 weeks from starting my one+ cycles and from what I read hear previously the 4 week runs sounded like the best option. So far with the voting it looks like this is the best choice. Hows the postate doing?

Yeah 4 weeks is often a good cycle. My prostate is back and forth still. I'm going to a specialist tommorow.

Scorpio · 09-16-2002, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by windwords7

Yeah 4 weeks is often a good cycle. My prostate is back and forth still. I'm going to a specialist tommorow.

Good luck with that. I only ran into urination problems/ Urinary tract infection while using adipo. It sux cause adipo was working great, until I started getting the sides. We are all effected differently by supps.

windwords7 · 09-17-2002, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Scorpio

Good luck with that. I only ran into urination problems/ Urinary tract infection while using adipo. It sux cause adipo was working great, until I started getting the sides. We are all effected differently by supps.

Yeah I will find out today if my prostate problems are bacterial or hormonal in nature.

4 weeks on, 4 weeks off is pulling ahead even further. I know there are more than 22 bro's here who have done cycles. Lets get the votes in guys! Your opinons as to why certain cycles are better than others would be great as well!

MrTrap · 09-17-2002, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by windwords7
I know there are more than 22 bro's here who have done cycles. Lets get the votes in guys!

It's funny to have so many views and so few votes.

I think Patrick Arnold had some more good points to make in this thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...threadid=58725

Hope the doc figures your problem out and how to fix it.

Traps

windwords7 · 09-17-2002, 07:06 PM

Whooa! Their has been some changes going on in the voting.

VOTE!!!!

pjorstad · 09-17-2002, 09:32 PM

I agree with pat.

I personally like the idea of 2 week cycles even though i haven't tried one. I think though mentally its hard because you do 2 weeks then stop and then start up again 2 weeks later. if you only plan on doing 2 weeks once in a while then thats the way to go but if you need or really want the gains badly NOW then 4 weeks is the best way to go.

windwords7 · 09-18-2002, 08:31 AM

4 weeks is still leading the way. There are more for 6 and 8 weeks as well.

Lets keep voting.

Dante B. · 09-18-2002, 10:02 AM

My thoughts are here (I'll post the link rather than do a cut and paste, as others may offer their mention, there [that don't post upon this board so then giving a broader base of feedback]):

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/avantfo...t=ST&f=1&t=799

windwords7 · 09-18-2002, 10:12 AM

Dante,

I followed the link and read the post. How many 2 week on 2 week off cycles in a row would you feel comfortable in doing right after each other?

How about how many total in a year?

Jake

Dante B. · 09-18-2002, 10:27 AM

I think this to be very dependant on the nature of the cycle ("nature" being defined in terms of dosage and substance). For example with a heavy-handed dosing of 1-Test/4AD, perhaps 2 on, 2off, 2 on, 2off, 2on, 4off, 2on, 6off, then repeat (this schedule of my mention, taking into account proper post-cycle care along with the use of an anti-E).

I'm also considering using low dosage 1-Test (i.e. 100 mgs per day) every two weeks (with then a two-week interim) indefinitely (as for reasons mentioned above [gradual----come slow---accrual of gains with lesser jolt to my system as opposed to a demolition approach).