PLEASE-i need a ZMA substitute.-reps

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 11:02 AM

hey guys...
im 14years old...and i know that most of the guys are going to bash me for wanting testosterone pumping through my veins at such a young age...but i really do...so does anyone know what i can use that increases testosterone(or decreases that stuff that stops testosterone (cant remember the name)) that would be safe for a 14year old to use? please be sure its safe before advising it.

thanks
-etH.

**beer20** · 09-19-2005, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

hey guys...
im 14years old...and i know that most of the guys are going to bash me for wanting testosterone pumping through my veins at such a young age...but i really do...so does anyone know what i can use that increases testosterone(or decreases that stuff that stops testosterone (cant remember the name)) that would be safe for a 14year old to use? please be sure its safe before advising it.

thanks
-etH.

whats your diet like?

**R_N_S** · 09-19-2005, 11:16 AM

ZMA doesn't increase test, unless you're deficient in zinc, and you shouldnt be if you're taking a multi vitamin

you might not have even started puberty, dont worry about the test, it'll come, if you try to increase production now, you may end up never ever making test again, it's not worth it

**PSKlifter** · 09-19-2005, 11:17 AM

most supps that would effect this in reality (not just in theory) would be hormonal in nature. there are a few more natural ones available as well. however, at your age, they wont do much. your natural test levels are already sky high. even injectable steroids (unless dosed extremely high) probably would not bump your levels up much above base line.

**_Bladen_** · 09-19-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

hey guys...
im 14years old...and i know that most of the guys are going to bash me for wanting testosterone pumping through my veins at such a young age...but i really do...so does anyone know what i can use that increases testosterone(or decreases that stuff that stops testosterone (cant remember the name)) that would be safe for a 14year old to use? please be sure its safe before advising it.

thanks
-etH.

No, you need to eat right, train harder, and sleep longer.

**PSKlifter** · 09-19-2005, 11:18 AM

The diet questions is very valid, as this will play a role in helping your natural levels as well.

**wiseguy1111** · 09-19-2005, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

hey guys...
im 14years old...and i know that most of the guys are going to bash me for wanting testosterone pumping through my veins at such a young age...but i really do...so does anyone know what i can use that increases testosterone(or decreases that stuff that stops testosterone (cant remember the name)) that would be safe for a 14year old to use? please be sure its safe before advising it.

thanks
-etH.

Based on this post you seem to have a high test level already. LOL.

Now seriously,
Why do you think your test levels are low?

What is your goal? How is it that you think your test level is going to help you reach that goal?

Give me the answers and I'll try to help you.

**Surfninja311** · 09-19-2005, 11:28 AM

get some tribulus, its cheap and works u may or may not notice a difference.

**_Bladen_** · 09-19-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Surfninja311

get some tribulus, its cheap and works u may or may not notice a difference.

Iffy recommending Test Boosters to people under 18.

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by wiseguy1111

Based on this post you seem to have a high test level already. LOL.

Now seriously,
Why do you think your test levels are low?

What is your goal? How is it that you think your test level is going to help you reach that goal?

Give me the answers and I'll try to help you.

LOL. yeah, but f**k naturals-i want to use testosterone as a fuel! i want it to burn the skin from the inside!! MUAHAHAHAHA!

[Quote=beer20]whats your diet like?[/QUOT]

Meal 1-breakfast: 'Special Scramble 17' (7:00)
3egg whites
3whole eggs
1/3 cup corn (canned but unenriched, no salt/sugar added, drained)
1/3 cup skim milk
1cup all bran flakes
1tbsp All Natural Peanutbutter
-Fish Oil
-Multivitamins
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-39g Carbs-63g Calories-574

Meal 2-School Breaktime snack: 'real food is too difficult for school' (10:40)
Myoplex Original
-250ml (1cup) water

Protein-42g Carbs-23g Calories-270

Meal 3-Lunch(preworkout meal#1): 'Steak Sandwich 17' (14:00)
2thin quick fry steaks(fried in olive oil)
2slices wholemeal bread
lettuce
1/4 cup bran flakes
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-29g Carbs-51g Calories-443

Meal 4-PreWrokout Meal(2): 'Shake 17' (15:00)
Myoplex Deluxe
1 banana
-250ml (1cup) water

Protein-53g Carbs-60g Calories-463

(During workout i drink 500ml (2cups) water

Meal 5-PostWorkout Meal: 'BoomShakalaka 17' (big thanks to Dex for helping me with this one!!)(16:00)
1 scoop Optimum Whey Protein
1cup quick oats
-Creatine Monohydrate
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-24g Carbs-54g Calories-430

Meal 6-Evening Meal: 'Tuna Salad 17' (18:00)
1/2 small can tuna
1 potato
lettuce
1/2 can baked beans
-250ml (2 cups) water

Protein-22g Carbs-45 Calories-310

Meal 7-Dinner: 'Birds Titties 17' (20:00)
2chicken breasts(fried in olive oil)
1cup steamed white rice
-250ml (2cups) water

Protein-50g Carbs-45g Calories-460

Meal 8-Before Bed Meal: 'Goodnight 17' (22:00)
1 heaped scoop casein
1apple

Protein-23 Carbs-19g Calories-192

TOTAL
Protein-281g Carbs-348g Calories-3154

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i hear that taking zinc and magnesium (or something like that) is safe for teens and elevates testosterone levels...
true?not true?

this is a bigg deal 2 me...I WANT IT!! ARGHHHHHH!!

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Surfninja311

get some tribulus, its cheap and works u may or may not notice a difference.

so thats safe for under 18s but may not work at all?

**PSKlifter** · 09-19-2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

so thats safe for under 18s but may not work at all?

trib will not raise test levels. there are a few exceptions in newer products w/ certain standardizations. but at your age it still will not make a differnece. you could take injectable test right now, and at your age your levels would not even increase that much (unless megadosing). I dont think you understand how high your natural levels are right now.

**Surfninja311** · 09-19-2005, 11:54 AM

trib raises your free test levels. and yes it is safe for 14 year olds. Its not hormonal. the dude above me is right it probobly wont affect you much. Maybe worth a try, cheap and safe and does what ur looking for.

**beer20** · 09-19-2005, 11:55 AM

[QUOTE=Ward17]LOL. yeah, but f**k naturals-i want to use testosterone as a fuel! i want it to burn the skin from the inside!! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Originally Posted by beer20

whats your diet like?[/QUOT]

Meal 1-breakfast: 'Special Scramble 17' (7:00)
3egg whites
3whole eggs
1/3 cup corn (canned but unenriched, no salt/sugar added, drained)
1/3 cup skim milk
1cup all bran flakes
1tbsp All Natural Peanutbutter
-Fish Oil
-Multivitamins
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-39g Carbs-63g Calories-574

Meal 2-School Breaktime snack: 'real food is too difficult for school' (10:40)
Myoplex Original
-250ml (1cup) water

Protein-42g Carbs-23g Calories-270

Meal 3-Lunch(preworkout meal#1): 'Steak Sandwich 17' (14:00)
2thin quick fry steaks(fried in olive oil)
2slices wholemeal bread
lettuce
1/4 cup bran flakes
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-29g Carbs-51g Calories-443

Meal 4-PreWrokout Meal(2): 'Shake 17' (15:00)
Myoplex Deluxe
1 banana
-250ml (1cup) water

Protein-53g Carbs-60g Calories-463

(During workout i drink 500ml (2cups) water

Meal 5-PostWorkout Meal: 'BoomShakalaka 17' (big thanks to Dex for helping me with this one!!)(16:00)
1 scoop Optimum Whey Protein
1cup quick oats
-Creatine Monohydrate
-500ml (2cups) water

Protein-24g Carbs-54g Calories-430

Meal 6-Evening Meal: 'Tuna Salad 17' (18:00)
1/2 small can tuna
1 potato
lettuce
1/2 can baked beans
-250ml (2 cups) water

Protein-22g Carbs-45 Calories-310

Meal 7-Dinner: 'Birds Titties 17' (20:00)
2chicken breasts(fried in olive oil)
1cup steamed white rice
-250ml (2cups) water

Protein-50g Carbs-45g Calories-460

Meal 8-Before Bed Meal: 'Goodnight 17' (22:00)
1 heaped scoop casein
1apple

Protein-23 Carbs-19g Calories-192

TOTAL
Protein-281g Carbs-348g Calories-3154

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

i hear that taking zinc and magnesium (or something like that) is safe for teens and elevates testosterone levels...
true?not true?

this is a bigg deal 2 me...I WANT IT!! ARGHHHHHH!!

you need more good fats in your diet.

edit:skimmed over the fish oil

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by PSKlifter

trib will not raise test levels. there are a few exceptions in newer products w/ certain standardizations. but at your age it still will not make a differnece. you could take injectable test right now, and at your age your levels would not even increase that much (unless megadosing). I dont think you understand how high your natural levels are right now.

ur right, i dont...
so i have super high levels now?
*thinks about it for a moment*
...does that mean im more manly than you? :P

jks

**PSKlifter** · 09-19-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

ur right, i dont...
so i have super high levels now?
*thinks about it for a moment*
...does that mean im more manly than you? :P

jks

theoretically, your natural base line should be higher than mine currently yes.

**MuZI** · 09-19-2005, 03:35 PM

Ward17, i'm sorry if i missed this earlier but what exactly are your stats?

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 07:04 PM

14/male/99lbs(45kgs)

**Tarkana** · 09-19-2005, 07:15 PM

99 lbs? plz say ur just one of those really short freshmen. with that diet u aughta be gaining weight pretty fast at 99 lbs. whats ur routine?

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 07:37 PM

oH yeah-sorry....im 5'7''

**Ward17** · 09-19-2005, 07:39 PM

OH- OMG sorry guys-I FERGOT to mention, i havent started my working out yet-these are for plans.
im slowly breaking into it and beginning my workouts in the begining of oct.
ive been eating just a little less that that (stated above) but not put on a single lb im already up to 2800kcals and not gaining...but hopefully 3100 will be enough for when i start lifting

**krustster** · 09-19-2005, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ward17

OH- OMG sorry guys-I FERGOT to mention, i havent started my working out yet

LOL

**beer20** · 09-19-2005, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ward17

OH- OMG sorry guys-I FERGOT to mention, i havent started my working out yet-these are for plans.
im slowly breaking into it and beginning my workouts in the begining of oct.
ive been eating just a little less that that (stated above) but not put on a single lb im already up to 2800kcals and not gaining...but hopefully 3100 will be enough for when i start lifting

LOL not working out yet huh?
at least youre trying to get things in order before you start working out.
like i said you need to get some more good fats in there.
maybe some natty PB with meal 2 .
and maybe some natty PB or fishoil before bed with meal 8.
if youre already starting puberty , with your diet in order and when you actually start working out,i bet you will make some really good gains.

you got a good routine set up yet?

**onshow** · 09-20-2005, 01:22 AM

your 14 and dont lift yet want test increases. just start lifting the weights before you put anything in your body. there is no substitute for training. stop being lazy.

if you want a real test booster buy yourself a porno.

**sonick** · 09-20-2005, 01:22 AM

Eat well and take a multi-vitamin. I doubt ZMA can beat that. Like others said, it only fixes a deficiency, it does not boost test beyond your natural optimal levels.

Enjoy your youth. You already got a good advantage on test levels, make good use of it.

**Ward17** · 09-20-2005, 03:19 AM

yeah-i didnt mean i was gonna start taking stuff NOW...i just want to have stuff prepared for when i start.

i have a nice tough (maybe too tough, ill see if i can do it) sounding routine for my workouts already set up...
1 set will be 12reps-add more weight-10 reps-add more weight-8reps
and im gonna do 1 set each of 3 exercises for each body part...

im gonna do upper body (biceps,triceps,traps,chest, delts) one day. lower body (hams, quads, calves, abs and back) the next...and cardio the next...that repeats...with one free day a week. so everything gets done twice a week.
that sound good?(ive never worked out with weights before so tell me if its easy or impossible-kay?)

thanks to all of u guys for help-ill rep half today and half tomorrow

**Ward17** · 09-20-2005, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by wiseguy1111

Based on this post you seem to have a high test level already. LOL.

Now seriously,
Why do you think your test levels are low?

What is your goal? How is it that you think your test level is going to help you reach that goal?

Give me the answers and I'll try to help you.

i just want to gain muscle-and testosterone is obviously something that people want, its not that i think my testosterone levels are low, i just think id perform better in the gym and stuff with more.
plus-i like the jaw.

**Taffin** · 09-20-2005, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ward17

OH- OMG sorry guys-I FERGOT to mention, i havent started my working out yet-these are for plans.

You shouldn't even be worried about supplements until you've been working out for a while. How would you know if the supps were even working unless you had some baseline results to compare them to? I wish I started at your age and knew as much about nutrition as you seem to. Just don't get too caught up in the supplement hype or the chemical aspects. At your age, the adage "Lift big, eat big, sleep big," may easily be all you need to get great results. Worrying about test levels is for older guys hitting plateaus.

**Ward17** · 09-20-2005, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Taffin

You shouldn't even be worried about supplements until you've been working out for a while. How would you know if the supps were even working unless you had some baseline results to compare them to? I wish I started at your age and knew as much about nutrition as you seem to. Just don't get too caught up in the supplement hype or the chemical aspects. At your age, the adage "Lift big, eat big, sleep big," may easily be all you need to get great results. Worrying about test levels is for older guys hitting plateaus.

awesome-thanks LOADS!!! i got bigg helpp from u and everyone!
ill rep u when i can-tomorrow.

**NukeDukem** · 09-20-2005, 04:16 AM

Yeah man, get into the gym and train like a barbarian. You will enjoy newbie gains for quite some time at your age, and with a diet like the one you posted backing up work in the gym you will grow no doubt. Just lift and eat. When you are 16 and have been going at this for a while you can start getting more aggressive with the supplementation (Creatine, aminos, nutrient partitioners, etc) and save the hardcore stuff until you are in your 20s. If you work out hard and eat right you will be a monster before you even touch any sort of hormonal supplement.

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