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    Ginseng - Any Good for Bodybuilder?

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    Those who use ginseng swear by its effects. Bodybuilders and athletes have found ginseng to be a very valuable supplement for a number of reasons. First, ginseng helps the body adapt to higher levels of stress. Next, ginseng has the ability to increase endurance and help recovery rates. Finally, ginseng is a remedy for fatigue and nervous breakdown.


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    It is effective ... in the bedroom (in my experience).
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    May it suppress others supplements effect?
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    May it suppress others supplements effect?
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    Not really.

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    1: J Am Diet Assoc. 1997 Oct;97(10):1110-5.

    No ergogenic effects of ginseng (Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer) during graded maximal aerobic exercise.

    Engels HJ, Wirth JC.

    Division of Health, Physical Education and Recreation-Exercise Science, Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202, USA.

    OBJECTIVE: To assess the effects of chronic supplementation with two different dosages of Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer on physiologic and psychological responses during graded maximal aerobic exercise. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. SUBJECTS: Thirty-six healthy men consuming an otherwise supplement-free diet who maintained their usual activity level. INTERVENTION: A standardized P ginseng C.A. Meyer concentrate (G115) was added to the normal diet of study participants at a dosage level of either 200 or 400 mg/day, where 100 mg of the preparation is equivalent to 500 mg P gingseng root. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Submaximal and maximal aerobic exercise responses before and after an 8-week trial intervention. STATISTICAL ANALYSES PERFORMED: Analysis of variance. RESULTS: Thirty-one subjects completed the study. Supplementation with ginseng had no effect on the following physiologic and psychological parameters: oxygen consumption (mL/kg per minute), respiratory exchange ratio, minute ventilation (L/min), blood lactic acid concentration (mmol/L), heart rate (beats/min), and perceived exertion (P > .05). CONCLUSIONS: Our data in healthy men do not offer support for claims that P ginseng C.A. Meyer is an ergogenic aid to improve submaximal and maximal aerobic exercise performance.

    PMID: 9336557 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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    It is effective ... in the bedroom (in my experience).

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    1: Asian J Androl. 2007 Mar;9(2):241-4. Epub 2006 Jul 11.

    Study of the efficacy of Korean Red Ginseng in the treatment of erectile dysfunction.

    de Andrade E, de Mesquita AA, Claro Jde A, de Andrade PM, Ortiz V, Paranhos M, Srougi M.

    Sector of Sexual Medicine, Division of Urological Clinic of Sao Paulo University, Sao Paulo, Brazil. enricoandrade@uol.com.br

    AIM: To examine the treatment efficacy of Korean Red Ginseng (KRG) in impotent men with erectile dysfunction (ED). METHODS: A total of 60 patients presenting mild or mild to moderate ED were enrolled in a double-blind, placebo-controlled study in which the efficacies of KRG and a placebo were compared. The patients received either 1,000 mg (3 times daily) of KRG or a placebo. RESULTS: The five-item version of the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF-5) score after the treatment was significantly higher in the KRG group compared with that before the treatment (from 16.4 +/- 2.9 to 21.0 +/- 6.3, P < 0.0001). In contrast, there was no difference before and after the treatment in the placebo group (from 17.0 +/- 3.1 to 17.7 +/- 5.6, P > 0.05). In the KRG group, 20 patients (66.6%), reported improved erection, significant in the global efficacy question (P < 0.01); in the placebo group there was no significance. Scores on questions 2 (rigidity), 3 (penetration), 4 and 5 (maintenance), were significantly higher for KRG than those for the placebo when those questions were answered after 12 weeks of each treatment (P < 0.01). When the score in the KRG group was compared to the placebo group after the treatment, there was a significant improvement in total score (IIEF-5 score) in questions 3 and 5 for the KRG-treated group (P < 0.001 and P < 0.0001, respectively). The levels of serum testosterone, prolactine and cholesterol after the treatment were not statistically significant different between the KRG and the placebo group (P > 0.05). CONCLUSION: Our data show that KRG can be an effective alternative to the invasive approaches for treating male ED.

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    A couple of threads from the Supp Science section that may be of help...

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hlight=ginseng
    Based on this study, we conclude that 1,350 mg per day PNG (Panax Ginseng) supplement for 30 days improved endurance time to exhaustion, and lowered MAP and Vdoto2 during endurance exercise.
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    CONCLUSION: Animal studies in-vivo found a consistent protective effect of ginseng against cancer development, growth, metastisis and mortality.
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    there are two kinds of ginseng. red and white. they both have different results. those who have hypertension should not take white ginseng, it will make your blood rise and also body tends to get overheated. ive taken red ginseng for about 2 years now and it has some effects but you will not notice the effect of ginseng till you take it about 6 months.
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    Any difference between various species of Ginseng like Korean Red, American etc.?
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    Originally Posted by 1-Testosterone View Post
    Any difference between various species of Ginseng like Korean Red, American etc.?
    for bodybuilder i would go with korean red ginseng. got to be carefull because there are alot of fake korean ginseng. usaully there is a gold badge. but it is very expensive. in my opinion, save the money and buy something else. its not worth the money.
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    their are a lot of different quality extracts out their 80% gensenosides is the highest i've found. specific gensenosides do a host of different things from raising t3 out put to increasing lh. from the studies i've scene their only beginning to scratch the surface and discovering different extracts. how they will live up in the real world, i dunno? but on paper things look promising.
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    Thanks for your answers, I think the best Ginseng available is the Panax :-D
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    Maca which is considered Brazil's Ginseng is awesome if you get high quality stuff. Im still waiting to try a Maca called Maca Monster, Highly concentrated. Maca also tastes good. I now am missing this Stuff and flavor, from thinking about it.
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    Ginsana and get the generic version at walmart or walgreens.
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    Me loves ginseng. Good things with ginseng start happening after taking at least 1 gram of extract per day
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    Originally Posted by cakedonkey View Post
    Not really.

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    1: J Am Diet Assoc. 1997 Oct;97(10):1110-5.

    No ergogenic effects of ginseng (Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer) during graded maximal aerobic exercise.

    Engels HJ, Wirth JC.

    Division of Health, Physical Education and Recreation-Exercise Science, Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202, USA.

    OBJECTIVE: To assess the effects of chronic supplementation with two different dosages of Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer on physiologic and psychological responses during graded maximal aerobic exercise. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. SUBJECTS: Thirty-six healthy men consuming an otherwise supplement-free diet who maintained their usual activity level. INTERVENTION: A standardized P ginseng C.A. Meyer concentrate (G115) was added to the normal diet of study participants at a dosage level of either 200 or 400 mg/day, where 100 mg of the preparation is equivalent to 500 mg P gingseng root. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Submaximal and maximal aerobic exercise responses before and after an 8-week trial intervention. STATISTICAL ANALYSES PERFORMED: Analysis of variance. RESULTS: Thirty-one subjects completed the study. Supplementation with ginseng had no effect on the following physiologic and psychological parameters: oxygen consumption (mL/kg per minute), respiratory exchange ratio, minute ventilation (L/min), blood lactic acid concentration (mmol/L), heart rate (beats/min), and perceived exertion (P > .05). CONCLUSIONS: Our data in healthy men do not offer support for claims that P ginseng C.A. Meyer is an ergogenic aid to improve submaximal and maximal aerobic exercise performance.

    PMID: 9336557 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    I think its one of those cases where therory doesn't equate to reality.
    I have heard lots of positive feedback from weigtlifters and track/field athletes regarding ginseng. Placebo ? who knows!

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    Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    Me loves ginseng. Good things with ginseng start happening after taking at least 1 gram of extract per day
    Wow! Good Things = ???
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    Originally Posted by 1-Testosterone View Post
    Wow! Good Things = ???
    Mental Clarity and performance:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Antioxidant:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Enhanced Performance:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Mildly anabolic:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Improves sex:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Helps maintain healthy glucose blood levels and prevent obesity and insulin resistance(especially ginsenoside Re):
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Back in mu studying days i did a 100page assay on ginsengs and from i concluded most of the studies that reported nothing used a too low dose. You need at least one gram of extract(preferably 2 grams) to start getting results. It's not a great ergogenic, Eleutherococcus is a much much better one, but has a very positive effect on mentality which personally helps me train better when on ginseng. Plus it's cheap as hell
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    Thanks a lot brother!
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    How is the Now brand Panax Ginseng?

    Would 1.5grams (3 caps) twice daily be sufficient?
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    Originally Posted by Mike83 View Post
    How is the Now brand Panax Ginseng?

    Would 1.5grams (3 caps) twice daily be sufficient?
    It's fine and yes 3 caps would be sufficient.
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    Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    Mental Clarity and performance:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Antioxidant:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Enhanced Performance:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Mildly anabolic:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Improves sex:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Helps maintain healthy glucose blood levels and prevent obesity and insulin resistance(especially ginsenoside Re):
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Back in mu studying days i did a 100page assay on ginsengs and from i concluded most of the studies that reported nothing used a too low dose. You need at least one gram of extract(preferably 2 grams) to start getting results. It's not a great ergogenic, Eleutherococcus is a much much better one, but has a very positive effect on mentality which personally helps me train better when on ginseng. Plus it's cheap as hell


    WOW !! This is a great post.Thank you very much.I have been trying to read more about Ginseng and other adaptogens lately.I have bulk Rhodiola and just picked up some Red Korean Ginseng which is suppose to be good for libido and it is also suppose to boost Nitric Oxide levels.I'm going to use it without any other N.O precursors/etc. and see how the pumps/vascularity are.

    Thanks again.

    Oh by the way,I noticed all the Get Diesel products contain Panax Ginseng and Chuck Diesel really knows his stuff,so it must be in there for a reason.
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    Originally Posted by Mike83 View Post
    Maca which is considered Brazil's Ginseng is awesome if you get high quality stuff. Im still waiting to try a Maca called Maca Monster, Highly concentrated. Maca also tastes good. I now am missing this Stuff and flavor, from thinking about it.
    It's not that great, trust me. Raw Maca is better.

    Also, Panax Ginseing 80% makes me extremely horny, can't say anything else about it.
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    Originally Posted by KingdomCome View Post
    It's not that great, trust me. Raw Maca is better.

    Also, Panax Ginseing 80% makes me extremely horny, can't say anything else about it.
    You have tried the maca monster? I heard it was good.

    Bane, with herbs such as Panax Ginseng, do they work best taken on empty stomach? Such as in the morning after waking? I heard it is good to take before bed? Any information is well appreciated, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by Mike83 View Post
    You have tried the maca monster? I heard it was good.

    Bane, with herbs such as Panax Ginseng, do they work best taken on empty stomach? Such as in the morning after waking? I heard it is good to take before bed? Any information is well appreciated, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by Mike83 View Post
    You have tried the maca monster? I heard it was good.

    Bane, with herbs such as Panax Ginseng, do they work best taken on empty stomach? Such as in the morning after waking? I heard it is good to take before bed? Any information is well appreciated, thanks.
    Personally i get insomna if i consume ginseng too late in the day. Generally it's better you get energizing compounds early in the day, so you benefit more from them and they don't hinder your sleep. Personally i believe the best way for non-alkaloid herbs is to take them with a small amount of fat
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    Impressive research as per usual Bane. I'll have to take a closer look at this stuff.
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    Impressive research as per usual Bane. I'll have to take a closer look at this stuff.
    Bah that's crap. The 100 page assay was impressive, but it's in greek :/
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