Anyone else have liver problems (not necessarily a disease, but just problems...)
I am wondering, with all the hype about creatine and fat burners and their effects on the liver and kidneys what do you take? What can you take?
I want to maybe take a fat burner, so to speed up fat burn but what else? I do take whey protein.. ON's 100% Whey Protein. ANd also multi-vitamin. and am going to take fish oils and other aminos such as glutamine if possible when i start "bulking"... Im not doing that cutting/bulking crap... im just going to slowly build muscle mass and keep lean (once i get there)...
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09-16-2005, 05:11 PM #1
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Liver Disease and Supplements.. WHAT DO YOU USE AND CAN YOU USE
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09-16-2005, 05:27 PM #2
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09-16-2005, 05:37 PM #3
Check my post here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...61&postcount=2
Also perform a search on my username with "liver"
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09-16-2005, 06:08 PM #4
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thanks man.
3rd category is supps that are metabolized by your liver and thus can put additional strain to it,thus they should be avoided:
Caffeine and its brothers(tea,green tea,e.t.c.)
Fat burners in general
Anything that contains aspirin or its precursors(like salicin)
Excessive protein or aminoacids
Ethyl esters of anything(they are deesterified partially in the liver+the ethyl part turns into alcohol)
Almost all herbs(hot among them comfrey, chaparral, germander, valerian, mistletoe and traditional Chinese herbs)| Bringing Fitness into your Lifestyle |
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09-16-2005, 06:41 PM #5Originally Posted by TheFitnessGuru
One indication of excessive protein in your body is bubbles in the toilet bowl afetr you urine.
Liver stress sometimes causes jaundice
Btw im a hep b carrier since birth so you can regard me as having a diseased liver ...lol, dont have any problems with supplements. Just avoid the alchohol and oral steriods.. ORAL
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09-16-2005, 07:22 PM #6
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09-16-2005, 08:40 PM #7Originally Posted by dviamare
Excessive protein alone won't harm the liver. Its a combination of toxins from pollution to ingested chemicals, etc. One needs to detoxify periodically in order to maintain a healthy liver. Milk thistle is a good start combined with healthy eating, etc.
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09-16-2005, 09:04 PM #8
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09-17-2005, 01:28 AM #9Originally Posted by altruistic
YOU are an ignorant fool.
Foamy urine may indicate protein in the urine with or without infection. Wanna prove uriologist wrong? go ahead use google yahoo or whatever search engine wrong. The guy is asking for advice and im giving it to him based on my condition and trips to my liver doc.
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09-17-2005, 03:33 AM #10
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09-17-2005, 06:56 AM #11
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09-17-2005, 07:16 AM #12Originally Posted by TheFitnessGuru
What you CAN take that may work support the liver are:
-Milk thistle (but you knew that)
-Larger amounts of Vit. C
-Green tea (or capsules)
-Curcumin (1/2 teaspoon mixed with rice, or in warm milk)
-A combination of these factors
If you react more sensitive than others to protein, you can try using 1,5-2 g protein/kg max. Since taking more than 1,8 g/kg will not increase protein synthesis more it will not affect muscle gain. (this is probably even true at 1,3 g/kg). If you consider aminos, do BCAA's or EAA's.
Glutamine doesn't do **** when you eat enough and get 1,5 g/kg (or more) protein a day.
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09-17-2005, 07:23 AM #13
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09-17-2005, 07:33 AM #14Originally Posted by Big'r
Although green tea has shown in rats that it may reduce rejection of liver transplantation and occurence of deaths to rats that were given liver-killers, it is still rich in substances that have to be metabolized by the liver(caffeine,thophylline) and thus put additional stress to it. That doesn't mean that green tea is harmful to the liver, only that people with liver problems should beware overusage of it. Stick to 1 cap per day of this:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/egcg.htmlLast edited by Bane; 09-17-2005 at 07:44 AM.
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09-17-2005, 07:46 AM #15Originally Posted by Bane
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...760&query_hl=3
have been done on rats/mice, but they seem to be benificial in a variety of different liver problems:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...066&query_hl=1
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/3/742
http://www.nutraingredients.com/news...-green-tea-the
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...408&query_hl=4
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09-17-2005, 04:39 PM #16
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thanks guys. any other questions i[ll be sure to hit you up
What do you have to say about low-carb foods? All the chemicals in those... I've even read that the chemicals are worse (not just b/c of the liver has to try to metabolize the chemicals and ****) but because somehow it (the low-carb chemicals) increase fat absorbtion and thus hurt your gains (in attempting to become lean
if so, what chemicals in particular?| Bringing Fitness into your Lifestyle |
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