cambered bar vs safety squat bar

[johnderriLLL]

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/iro...sp?number=1270

http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_text/safetybar.html

which one should i get? money is no issue.


i also need a good trap bar, a good thick bar, and a good regular olympic bar that will hold 1500lbs.

thanks

[sugapablo]

Heh. And here I just wrap two BodyBuilding.com towels around my Olympic bar when I squat.

(Although, I don't squat nearly as much as that guy in pic #2.)

[riverman]

Go with the cambered bar. Years ago I used a safety squat bar, and because of the design, started using my hands to help. The camber (buffalo) bar is very comfortable, and requires that you only use your legs. I use my buffalo bar weekly, and the safety squat bar has been gathering dust in the corner for over 20 years.

[BusyDizzyIzzy]

Originally Posted by johnderriLLL

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/iro...sp?number=1270

http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_text/safetybar.html

which one should i get? money is no issue.


i also need a good trap bar, a good thick bar, and a good regular olympic bar that will hold 1500lbs.

thanks

Cambered bar. That safety squat bar is IMO pretty useless and does nothing for helping your form.

[cubbybear]

I like the variety of training with both a buffalo bar and safety squat bar (if you get the right one). The Crepinsek safety squat bar you're looking at is made with an angle that makes it much more comfortable/ nicer to use than the NYBB model. It makes a big difference. Crepinsek at www.1500lb.com also has a combo bar and a rackable cambered squat bar that you should look into. Williams Strength Products has some quality olympic bars and fat bars at www.williamsstrength.com, and www.EliteFTS.com carries both product lines, so you can do some price comparisons.

[darkfact]

Originally Posted by cubbybear

I like the variety of training with both a buffalo bar and safety squat bar (if you get the right one). The Crepinsek safety squat bar you're looking at is made with an angle that makes it much more comfortable/ nicer to use than the NYBB model. It makes a big difference. Crepinsek at www.1500lb.com also has a combo bar and a rackable cambered squat bar that you should look into. Williams Strength Products has some quality olympic bars and fat bars at www.williamsstrength.com, and www.EliteFTS.com carries both product lines, so you can do some price comparisons.

have you used that rackable cambered squat bar or know anyone who has? I'm wondering if it really makes a difference on the lower back. i've had lower back injuries but also really believe in squatting, i just have to go into complete concentration/focus-mode because if i let me form go in the slightest i'll tweak my back almost for sure. if one of these bars will help take some potential pressure off the low back it might be worth the price.

[HitItHard]

own a ssb here, awesome

[Dinotrainer]

Originally Posted by johnderriLLL

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/iro...sp?number=1270

http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_text/safetybar.html

which one should i get? money is no issue.


i also need a good trap bar, a good thick bar, and a good regular olympic bar that will hold 1500lbs.

thanks

I have both, a cambered bar, and a safety squat bar. I use the SSB for Good Mornings, and I flip it around for front squats (it's very comfortable in that capacity). The cambered bar, sees little use, as I prefer a straight Texas Power bar for squatting. ...but, they're really two different tools, so if "money is no issue", why not get both?

[cubbybear]

Originally Posted by darkfact

have you used that rackable cambered squat bar or know anyone who has? I'm wondering if it really makes a difference on the lower back. i've had lower back injuries but also really believe in squatting, i just have to go into complete concentration/focus-mode because if i let me form go in the slightest i'll tweak my back almost for sure. if one of these bars will help take some potential pressure off the low back it might be worth the price.

Sometimes I go train at a friend's gym who has a deep cambered squat bar, though not this same "rackable" model. With the weight farther in front it actually places more emphasis on the lower back and hamstrings, strengthening the posterior chain. It seemed like my upper body stayed a little straighter as well. It can also give your shoulders and elbows a break with your hands being positioned lower. I know what you mean about having to stay in good form and not letting the lower back round, which has to always be a top priority. Strengthening your posterior chain goes a long way in being able to maintain proper form and preventing future injury. If you have access to doing reverse hypers, it would be one of the best things you could do for your back.

[kethnaab]

Safety Squat Bar by a mile

lunges, yolk walks, front squats, back squats and good mornings all are FAR "easier" (As far as balance) yet just as challenging from a muscular standpoint. I have had shoulder reconstruction surgery and could not squat without one.

Interesting that someone said they use their hands. You can use a safety squat bar without holding onto it

love that sucker.

[Squeebo]

I say it every time this comes up, I like using a Top Squat. It's got handles coming out the front so you don't have to dislocate your shoulders, a divot in the middle for your vertebre, and the thicker urethane over my shoulders feels better than the 1" (or 1 1/16", whatever) bar. I put a towel over my shoulders to give it just the right amount of play. I don't plan on using a bar by itself ever again for squats.

One thing to keep in mind is the Top Squat is made for 1" and 1 1/16" thick bars. 1 1/8" is too thick, though if you really try you can probably pound it on with a mallet.

[KSA]

I bought a Top squat few years ago, i use it each time i squat.

[darkfact]

the top squat looks interesting but it seems that my bar is 1 1/8", and the bar i'm possibly going to buy next is also 1 1/8", so it looks like the top squat won't work for me.

[cubbybear]

From Dave Draper's website:

"Will this fit your bar?
We often get people who have bars slightly larger or smaller than the 1 1/16" bar
this unit was made for. A creative user may be able to make it fit using a thin layer
of rubber inner tube cemented inside to suit a smaller bar; a slightly larger bar
can be accommodated by slicing out the polyurethane tabs on the inside
of the polyurethane coating.
Will it work for everyone? No.
Can a desperate squatter with bad shoulders make it work? Probably."


My training partner brought his Top Squat out to our gym, and it worked fine with our Texas Power Bar, which is 1 1/8" diameter. However if I remember right, it wouldn't work with my 8' Texas Squat bar, which is 1 1/4" thick.

[darkfact]

Originally Posted by cubbybear

From Dave Draper's website:

"Will this fit your bar?
We often get people who have bars slightly larger or smaller than the 1 1/16" bar
this unit was made for. A creative user may be able to make it fit using a thin layer
of rubber inner tube cemented inside to suit a smaller bar; a slightly larger bar
can be accommodated by slicing out the polyurethane tabs on the inside
of the polyurethane coating.
Will it work for everyone? No.
Can a desperate squatter with bad shoulders make it work? Probably."


My training partner brought his Top Squat out to our gym, and it worked fine with our Texas Power Bar, which is 1 1/8" diameter. However if I remember right, it wouldn't work with my 8' Texas Squat bar, which is 1 1/4" thick.

good to know thx again man

[johnderriLLL]

the buffalo bar is winning right now. come on all u saftey squat bar users and tell me why i should get a SSB and vice versa.

[BusyDizzyIzzy]

Originally Posted by johnderriLLL

the buffalo bar is winning right now. come on all u saftey squat bar users and tell me why i should get a SSB and vice versa.

Like someone else stated, if money is no object, get em both. You can never have too many bars..................

[need2eat]

Think my vote would be for the SSB, if I had to pick one.

[Drew23]

The SSB.

[kethnaab]

Originally Posted by johnderriLLL

money is no issue.

Safety Squat Bar

Glute-Ham Raise

1500-lb Texas Power Bar

Reverse Hyperextension

Trap bar

[johnderriLLL]

just beacuse I can spend as much money as I want to dosent mean I should. money is important to have it when you need it.

theres more to life than squating

[BusyDizzyIzzy]

Originally Posted by johnderriLLL

just beacuse I can spend as much money as I want to dosent mean I should. money is important to have it when you need it.

theres more to life than squating

well then money IS an object.

To be honest, why are you even worried about some of these very limited use bars to begin with?? Have you mastered even using a traditional olympic bar with the basic excercises? NO. Since its obvious you haven't lifted very long. Do you have any medical condition? None that I can see from here. You don't even put up very much weight on your regular rep. sets from what I can see. So why worry about specific bars that don't necessarily allow you to use your body's entire potential to begin with other than the cambered bar?

[kethnaab]

Originally Posted by BusyDizzyIzzy

well then money IS an object.

To be honest, why are you even worried about some of these very limited use bars to begin with?? Have you mastered even using a traditional olympic bar with the basic excercises? NO. Since its obvious you haven't lifted very long. Do you have any medical condition? None that I can see from here. You don't even put up very much weight on your regular rep. sets from what I can see. So why worry about specific bars that don't necessarily allow you to use your body's entire potential to begin with other than the cambered bar?

excellent points.

to the OP, I provided you info. Use it as you wish.