I'm thinking of starting next weeks schedule with back n shoulders. Is it bad to hit them both on one day? Will I get lessout of one or the other if I do it that way?
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Thread: Back and Shoulders on same day?
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11-27-2007, 04:34 PM #1
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Back and Shoulders on same day?
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11-27-2007, 04:43 PM #2
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11-27-2007, 04:46 PM #3
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11-27-2007, 04:48 PM #4
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11-27-2007, 04:55 PM #5
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11-27-2007, 04:56 PM #6
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11-27-2007, 05:25 PM #7
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i think it might be ok just as long as you dont have chest or biceps the day before or after
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11-27-2007, 05:46 PM #8
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I havent decided what to do with the rest, I was tryna figure out how to start monday off as a new week cycle. Every three weeks I change which muscle groups I hit throughout the week. Like the last 3 weeks were:
Mon: chest, shoulders
Tue: rest
Wed: back, legs
Thur: rest
Fri: bi's, tri's
and I hit abs thru the week.
I figure since fri. I end it wit bi's and tri's, I should start with back and shoulders. But I dont know. Like ol'boy said they two big muscle groups and I'm thinkin it might take away from the second one. But then again it could be a good change.
Would back and chest be better?He who has a sharp tongue- soon cuts his own throat. He who talks without thinking- runs more risks than he who thinks without talking. Silence is the voice of the convinced; loudness is the voice of those who want to convince themselves.
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11-27-2007, 05:52 PM #9
I'd pair a large muscle group with a smaller one. Here's my split
Chest + Biceps
Hamstrings + Shoulders
Back + Triceps
Quads + Shoulders
I like this split because the arms and shoulders get work twice a week, once direct and once indirect. (back day works biceps indirectly, chest day works triceps indirectly).
Just a suggestion to pair a small muscle group with a large one.
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11-27-2007, 05:53 PM #10
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I havent lined it up yet.
I would probly hit Back first, if I do that.
BACK:
Barbell Row
Elevated Row
Lat Pulldown
T-Bar Row
One Arm DB Row
Straight Arm Cable Pulldown
Deadlift
SHOULDER:
Lying Incline Reverse DB Flyes
One Arm DB Raise
Military Press
EZ Bar Chin Raise
Face Pull
Shrug
(something like that)He who has a sharp tongue- soon cuts his own throat. He who talks without thinking- runs more risks than he who thinks without talking. Silence is the voice of the convinced; loudness is the voice of those who want to convince themselves.
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11-27-2007, 05:54 PM #11
Chest/Triceps
Back/Biceps
Legs/Shoulders
Best split IMO, as it makes the most sense. If you group it this way, you are entirely isolating only 2 muscle groups per workout. If you grouped Biceps and Triceps on the same day, you would also secondarily be working your chest and back as well.
Of course, everyone is different and everyone has different preferences.
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11-27-2007, 05:55 PM #12
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11-27-2007, 05:59 PM #13
lol hell no. dont do that in one workout dude. wayyyy overkill. the only thing i could see working with all that is a fast paced circuit workout with little to no rest, keeping the weight light. go from one exercise to the next with like 30 seconds rest.. and do the whole circuit 3 times if u can handle it
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11-27-2007, 06:01 PM #14
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11-27-2007, 06:03 PM #16
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11-27-2007, 06:04 PM #17
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11-27-2007, 06:08 PM #18
yes! aint no way you're gonna be able to do a circuit like that with heavy weights. try it out tomorrow with lighter weights and see how you like it... do 10-12 reps for each exercise. it will kick your ass! another intense workout you can do is.. do the same thing except instead of sitting and waiting 30 seconds before the next exercise, do 25-30 sit ups in between each exercise or jump rope for 30 seconds in between.
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11-27-2007, 06:17 PM #19
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11-27-2007, 06:21 PM #20
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11-27-2007, 06:36 PM #21
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11-27-2007, 08:00 PM #22
I do Back and Shoulders on the same day, but not during the same session. I train Back at 5:30 in the morning, then come back at 5:30 in the evening to do Shoulders. I do this twice a week, too. My results have been fantastic. In June, I was repping 30lb DBs for 10 reps... it's November right now, and I'm repping 90lb DBs for 10 reps, and not all that far away from hitting the 95s.
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11-28-2007, 04:41 AM #23
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11-28-2007, 06:01 AM #24
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11-28-2007, 07:49 AM #25
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11-28-2007, 07:30 PM #26
try this workout for shoulders.. (for each exercise do 4 sets of reps til failure)
seated dumbbell press
behind the neck standing barbell press
front raises
side raises
bent over rear delt raises
here's my back routine.. (same deal with reps and sets as above)
deadlifts
lat pulldown with palms facing away from you (wide grip)
bent over t-bar rows
pull downs with palms facing you (closer grip)
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11-28-2007, 08:40 PM #27
You naysayers crack me up.
I put together my split with a back/shoulder day a few years ago, actually, and I still think it is a great way to separate your workouts. Granted, it is the longest one I do, but it solves the never-ending conundrum of when to do traps.
The best method I devised is to first to one exercise each for the lats, middle back, and traps. Then move to a front shoulder...then go back to a lat exercise.
Then do a medial delt exercise, and then middle back.
Then do a rear delt exercise.
Finally, do giant sets, with one exercise for lats, medial delts, and traps, alternating.Time To Re-Schedule
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11-28-2007, 08:44 PM #28
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11-28-2007, 09:31 PM #29
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11-29-2007, 04:56 AM #30
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Tripp, this is OT, but if i were you i'd seriously cut down on the amount of exercises and focus on the big compound exercises. try moving deadlift to the start of the workout, see how you feel. given your huge volume of work, i fear you have been overtraining. read a few hargainer/ecto articles and you'll get the message: lift hard and heavy on compound exercises, get plenty of rest, and EAT EAT EAT. good luck to you
background: when i started lifting seriously a year or so ago i was 6'0 and 140-145lbs, which is probably what you were or slightly more. i've gotten to 6'0 and 180 lbs which while not my end goal, is probably somewhere you'd like to be as a short-term goal.
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