It does mean readily available compared with when they're illegal. Guns are illegal here in Oz and the demand for them ... well, doesn't come within light years of the demand for drugs to put it mildly.Originally Posted by bigshadow
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Thread: whats your take on gun control?
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09-14-2005, 06:52 PM #61
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09-14-2005, 07:58 PM #62
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"necessary to the security of a free state"
It never fails to surprise me how many people think that has something, in any way, to do with hunting.
Originally Posted by stlcards
Anyone can own any car they can afford, make any modifications, make it as fast, nimble, loud, or gas-guzzling as they want. Automatic or manual, front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, all-wheel drive, etc. A 6 y/o kid can own and drive an 18-wheeler, assuming he's on private property.
When you turn 16, you can get a license to drive on public roadways. All you have to do is drive for a couple hours with a parent, and pass a ridiculously easy test, along with a multiple choice test in the language of your choice. In most states you don't even have to prove you're a citizen, and some states don't even make you prove you're there legally.
At that point, you can still drive a sports car with a few hundred horsepower, or a hatchback that's easy to park, or an F350 with a turbodiesel pulling a 5th wheel camper. You can drive your car to a restaraunt, even if they do sell liquor. You can drive to school or work. You can take it to the race-track and have some fun.
If you get out of line while on the road, you're going to get a ticket, or possibly arrested. Get caught driving with alcohol in your blood and you're getting a DUI, which will lead to loss of your license and possibly your vehicle.
Regulating gun ownership and use in a similar manner doesn't sound too bad to me."Undoubtedly, some think the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct." - Justice Scalia, DC vs Heller
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09-14-2005, 09:19 PM #63
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09-14-2005, 09:20 PM #64
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09-14-2005, 11:28 PM #65Originally Posted by Jimineye2.0
The "rate of crime" however - which is an extremely glib and emotive statement that covers a whole range of issues - has not gone up since tighter gun controls were introduced in 1997. Note also that guns have not been "banned" here - again, a glib, emotive and uninformed statement. They've simply been made harder to obtain. Everyone is still freely available to apply for a gun license if they wish.You're my wife now
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09-14-2005, 11:33 PM #66Originally Posted by Thudd
Nope, good try though.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=15304
Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different
story:
Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;
Assaults are up 8.6 percent;
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.
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09-14-2005, 11:52 PM #67Originally Posted by Jimineye2.0
for the record, i think people should have the right to own guns but with stricter controls.
but come on, he made reference from the Australian Institute of Criminology without a link and you quote from a ultra conservative website.
i think nice tries from both of you
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09-14-2005, 11:55 PM #68
*sigh*
Originally Posted by Jimineye2.0
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
People who use your original quoted article, or the numerous versions of it, such of yourself, only look like fools when they quote it. So, sorry to break it to you, but, you're a fool.
If you want to battle statistics with me, let me tell you now that you will lose and lose badly. Right now I'm working with a PhD thesis investigating violent crime in Australia, and I can quote you real, verbatim and verified statistics until the cows come home. Not those jumped-up, sensationalised, distorted and most of all incorrect figures that you've tried to palm off as justification for your original proposition that "crime has gone up in Australia ... since they banned guns." Which I've already shown to wrong on both counts; (1) crime has not "gone up", and (2) guns have not been banned in Australia.
Now, I admit it was kind of fun making you look bad, but it's boring me now, so I'll leave you to wallow in your shame. If you do feel inclined to ever research the real figures (which I'm sure you won't), you can take yourself over to http://www.aic.gov.au/ and have a feel of the real world.
Thank you for listening. Have a nice day.You're my wife now
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09-15-2005, 12:01 AM #69Originally Posted by okdude
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/
They have more comprehensive stats available but unless you'd like to obtain access to their database you'll have to take my word on them.
The thesis is not yet finished so I can't link to it.You're my wife now
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09-15-2005, 12:23 AM #70
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09-15-2005, 01:57 AM #71Originally Posted by Peter PendragonVote the b**** out
"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
11/18/93
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95
FYI she had a Concealed Carry Permit because she fears being attacked.
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09-15-2005, 02:14 AM #72
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09-15-2005, 02:21 AM #73Originally Posted by JT.
Just pushing it out there as a lowblowVote the b**** out
"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
11/18/93
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95
FYI she had a Concealed Carry Permit because she fears being attacked.
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09-15-2005, 02:28 AM #74
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09-15-2005, 04:17 AM #75Originally Posted by Jimineye2.0
Research conducted by the Australian government proving that the firearm controls introduced in 1997 works:
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/t...tandi269t.html
"An examination of firearm related deaths in Australia between 1991 and 2001 found a 47 per cent decrease in numbers....."
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09-15-2005, 04:31 AM #76
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09-15-2005, 05:58 AM #77
we don't need gun control, we need to inforce the laws we have for improper use, and maybe harsher penalties for crimes involving firearms.
If all the good guys have guns you are going to have a lot fewer bad guys using them.
I wish every anti-gun person would put a big sign in their yard that said
NO GUN IN HOMECartman: "Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad. "
"Christ died for our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?"
..........Jules Feiffer
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09-15-2005, 08:36 AM #78Originally Posted by KRANE
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09-15-2005, 08:54 AM #79
While we are comparing the US to Autralia and other countries with tougher gun regulations, what are these other countries like in general? I know there isnt a blanket statement but are their poorer areas like ours here in the states? I'm sure it's the same everywhere, just wondering. I live in a quiet (except for my neighbors) upper-middle class neighborhood but you go three blocks and youre in an area that is pretty rough. I/we will always own firearms. It's weird to me that people would surrender their weapons like they did. I would think that if they live in close proximity to a rough area like I spoke of, they would be stupid to give up their only real protection. What gives?????????
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09-15-2005, 09:43 AM #80Originally Posted by SnoopisTrain safe,
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09-15-2005, 10:17 AM #81Originally Posted by bigshadowThis account was created for the purpose of roleplaying and satire. All posts, messages, images, or other media produced by this Bodybuilding.com profile, including stories, names, references to characters and incidents, and views expressed, are fictitious and intended as parody. No identification or association with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred.
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09-15-2005, 01:18 PM #82
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09-15-2005, 01:28 PM #83
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Real men don't need to walk around carrying guns, I gave mine up a long time ago.
If I give my 10 year old nephew a 357 magnum, you'll do what ever he says--does that make him a man?🎥
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09-15-2005, 01:48 PM #84Originally Posted by KRANETrain safe,
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09-15-2005, 02:05 PM #85Originally Posted by KRANE
Assuming the latter is impossible, it's all about using what is necessary.
Go ahead and be a "real man" when someone pulls a knife on you, unarmed, and we'll see how quick you go from being a "real man" to a "dead man".
This isn't about killing someone, it's about surviving a confrontation that THEY started.
If it was simply about killing, then being a "real man" would be keeping your f-cking mouth shut about it after it happens.This account was created for the purpose of roleplaying and satire. All posts, messages, images, or other media produced by this Bodybuilding.com profile, including stories, names, references to characters and incidents, and views expressed, are fictitious and intended as parody. No identification or association with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred.
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09-15-2005, 02:17 PM #86Originally Posted by JT.
So how much did other methods of suicide change ? Just because they are not using firearms but doing pills doesnt make it better.Vote the b**** out
"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
11/18/93
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95
FYI she had a Concealed Carry Permit because she fears being attacked.
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09-15-2005, 02:28 PM #87
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09-15-2005, 02:46 PM #88Originally Posted by KRANE
I never want to use a weapon against another person. Even more so, I never want a weapon to be used against me. But you know what? Sometimes that's not really a luxury you're going to have.
If someone wants to harm you, with a weapon, would you rather be unarmed, or at least have something with which to defend yourself?This account was created for the purpose of roleplaying and satire. All posts, messages, images, or other media produced by this Bodybuilding.com profile, including stories, names, references to characters and incidents, and views expressed, are fictitious and intended as parody. No identification or association with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred.
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09-15-2005, 02:47 PM #89Originally Posted by KRANE
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It isn't about fighting fair, it is about tactical advantage. Most battles throughout history have been won by surprise and not by fighting a fair fight.Last edited by bigshadow; 09-15-2005 at 02:49 PM.
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