diet and training for a first time user

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 07:23 AM

can someone advice me on how my diet and training should be like while on test E 500mg/w for 12 weeks. Dbol for the first 4 weeks. im 22 years old, 74kg with 13% body fat.
thanx in advance

EasternCuts · 11-27-2007, 07:33 AM

This is the thing.....you should know this stuff before you journey into aas use. It clearly shows that you are not ready for steroids. I think you need to research tons on diet and training, eat like a madman, set a goal and lift hard.

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by warakawa

can someone advice me on how my diet and training should be like while on test E 500mg/w for 12 weeks. Dbol for the first 4 weeks. im 22 years old, 74kg with 13% body fat.
thanx in advance

You're wasting your time with steroids right now. Any gains you would make taking steroids right now would be easily gained through eating more and lifting heavy.

You are at such an undeveloped stage right now that if you just learned how to eat and train you would gain weight like crazy. 4000 cals per day 250grms protein per day and compound lifts, its basic elementry stuff.

Get your head out of your ass and start eating, steroids cannot make up for not eating enough and not know what your doing in the gym. But by all means, go and take steroids, then when you injure yourself because your body isnt used to heavy lifting, and when you come off cycle and are depressed because you lost all your gains come back to use and cry about it and ask why you're still 170lbs. Best of luck though.

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 07:55 AM

thanx for the advice, i actually gained 10kg since training, if you look at my profile, i was only 64kg, now im 74kg. but for the past 8 weeks. i wasnt able to gain anything. i think i've reached my potential and i like to give aas ago. my goal is 80kg.

so for aas diet, is it still 4000 cal?

and for aas training, it's compound movement and heavy weight low rep?

pls give advise on the diet and training, i would really appreciate it.

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 08:04 AM

[QUOTE=warakawa;100483451]thanx for the advice, i actually gained 10kg since training, if you look at my profile, i was only 64kg, now im 74kg. but for the past 8 weeks. i wasnt able to gain anything. i think i've reached my potential and i like to give aas ago. my goal is 80kg.
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LMFAO!! and I quote "I think i've reached my natural potential and i like to give aas ago. my goal is 80kg. (176lbs)" - Warakawa

Your goal is 176lbs, and you think you need steroids to get you there? You are special! Kid you need to really get your head out of your ass.

The only advice im going to give someone that wont help themself is to go EAT. LIFT+EAT+SLEEP=GAINS on steroids or not.

Neg'd for being a moron.

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

LMFAO!! and I quote "I think i've reached my natural potential and i like to give aas ago. my goal is 80kg. (176lbs)" - Warakawa

Your goal is 176lbs, and you think you need steroids to get you there? You are special! Kid you need to really get your head out of your ass.

The only advice im going to give someone that wont help themself is to go EAT. LIFT+EAT+SLEEP=GAINS on steroids or not.

Neg'd for being a moron.

sorry for being a moron, it's really my fault for being newbie.

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 08:17 AM

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sorry for being a moron, it's really my fault for being newbie.

dude all you have to do is start eating and actually lifting, you dont even look like you workout. Im not going to tell you its a good idea to take steroids when you obviously havent mastered the basics enough to but on decent weight and strenght. Train and eat like a madman and then in a year or 2 you may be ready for AAS.

mseidl · 11-27-2007, 08:24 AM

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sorry for being a moron, it's really my fault for being newbie.

if you can't get big w/o AAS you wont get big w/ AAS.

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 08:27 AM

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if you can't get big w/o AAS you wont get big w/ AAS.

x10000

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 08:30 AM

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if you can't get big w/o AAS you wont get big w/ AAS.

tell me, why are people taking aas?

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 08:35 AM

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tell me, why is everyone taking aas?

everyone is not taking AAS. The few people that do take AAS have mastered the basics of eating and lifting, and have "really" reached their natural potential. I do not take AAS, I will someday, but I know I still have a lot a natural gaining to do, and I will get to 190lbs before I start. Once you learn how to get big naturally you'll be able to benefit from steroids, but until then, it would just be a waste. Of course I dont know you, so I really dont care what you do, but im just saying that you can gain sooooooo much more just by learning the basics.

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

everyone is not taking AAS. The few people that do take AAS have mastered the basics of eating and lifting, and have "really" reached their natural potential. I do not take AAS, I will someday, but I know I still have a lot a natural gaining to do, and I will get to 190lbs before I start. Once you learn how to get big naturally you'll be able to benefit from steroids, but until then, it would just be a waste. Of course I dont know you, so I really dont care what you do, but im just saying that you can gain sooooooo much more just by learning the basics.

if i eat the same, train the same, and rest the same. wouldnt aas facilitate the process?

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 08:52 AM

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if i eat the same, train the same, and rest the same. wouldnt aas facilitate the process?

think about it like this...........

you could start taking steroids at 165lbs and maybe gain 20lbs so you'd end up 185lbs.....Or, you could wait and take steroids when you already weigh 180lbs, then you'd probably get up to around 200lbs after your first cycle. Does that make any sense. The longer you wait, the bigger you'll be come your first cycle. And if you tell me that all you want is to be 175lbs then you dont need steroids for that. Wouldnt you rather be 200lbs rather than 175lbs?

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 08:56 AM

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think about it like this...........

you could start taking steroids at 165lbs and maybe gain 20lbs so you'd end up 185lbs.....Or, you could wait and take steroids when you already weigh 180lbs, then you'd probably get up to around 200lbs after your first cycle. Does that make any sense. The longer you wait, the bigger you'll be come your first cycle. And if you tell me that all you want is to be 175lbs then you dont need steroids for that.

lol, no thankyou, it's not my intention to go over 80kg or 176lb, i am asian, i still want to screw asian chicks, they hate overly muscular male. since i live in australia i also date chicks, so yeah i want the asian and white, so i cant be too skinny or too big.

so yeah i'll take aas now and get to 176lb and im a happy man.

now, about the diet and training pls ... someone ... anyone?

SEMPER_BIG · 11-27-2007, 09:01 AM

Do not help this guy. He is an idoit. Ive wasted 25min trying to teach him something and he refuses to listen to good advice.

warakawa · 11-27-2007, 09:13 AM

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Do not help this guy. He is an idoit. Ive wasted 25min trying to teach him something and he refuses to listen to good advice.

thanx for the advice anyway, it's just that we might have different goals in mind.

DIESALan · 11-27-2007, 09:43 AM

LOL. Semper, it got me pretty angry just reading his ignorant responses.

jmitch2604 · 11-27-2007, 09:53 AM

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LOL. Semper, it got me pretty angry just reading his ignorant responses.

oh yea, and to the little asian dude, get the **** away from steroids, you haven't even been training for a year.

Drumkid20 · 11-27-2007, 10:22 AM

Semper, way to step up to bat man...I've never seen that kind of hardwork advising new kids on the block, lol...And it fell upon hard ears...hahahaha

Would big rep ya....gotta spread it first tho-catch you later

mseidl · 11-27-2007, 10:35 AM

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lol, no thankyou, it's not my intention to go over 80kg or 176lb, i am asian, i still want to screw asian chicks, they hate overly muscular male. since i live in australia i also date chicks, so yeah i want the asian and white, so i cant be too skinny or too big.

so yeah i'll take aas now and get to 176lb and im a happy man.

now, about the diet and training pls ... someone ... anyone?

you want chicks? you're asian? then don't take AAS, they will make your junk smaller than it already is.