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    Guaifenesin Information

    Guaifenesin is an ingredient found in many ephedra/ephedrine products these days such as Vasopro. There has been much debate about whether or not it is needed. Here is some information on Guaifenesin which will hopefully clear some things up...


    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...r/a682494.html
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    What about the "Guaifenesin" ingredient in Vasopro Ephedrine ?
    "Guaifenesin" is a systemic expectorant, which means it has properties that will loosen and thin mucus.... As with all medicines, even OTC ones, there are possible side effects from using guaifenesin, including:

    Diarrhea, dizziness, headache, hives, nausea or vomiting, skin rash ,stomach pain"
    What PURE alternatives are there, that don't include "Guaifenesin" ?
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    Guaifenesin (oral)
    (gwye FEN e sin)
    Anti-Tuss, Bidex, Breonesin, Duratuss G, Fenesin, Ganidin NR, GG 200 NR, Guaifenesin LA, Guaifenex G, Guaifenex LA, Humibid L.A., Humibid Pediatric, Liquibid, Muco-Fen 1200, Muco-Fen 800, Muco-Fen LA, Naldecon-EX Senior, Organidin NR, Pneumomist, Q-Bid LA, Robitussin, Scot-Tussin, Touro EX

    What is the most important information I should know about guaifenesin?
    • Drink plenty of extra fluids while you are taking this medication. Extra fluids may help to relieve chest congestion.
    • Do not crush or chew the tablets. Swallow them whole or break them in half where they are scored to make them easier to swallow.

    What is guaifenesin?
    • Guaifenesin is an expectorant. Guaifenesin loosens phlegm and increases the lubrication of your lungs allowing for a productive cough and decreased chest congestion.
    • Guaifenesin is used to reduce chest congestion caused by the common cold, infections, or allergies.
    • Guaifenesin may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.

    What should I discuss with my healthcare provider before taking guaifenesin?
    • Talk to your doctor before taking guaifenesin if you have other medical conditions or if you take other medicines.
    • Guaifenesin is in the FDA pregnancy category C. This means that it is not known whether guaifenesin will harm an unborn baby. Do not take this medication without first talking to your doctor if you are pregnant.
    • It is also not known whether guaifenesin passes into breast milk. Do not take this medication without first talking to your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.
    • Guaifenesin has not been approved by the FDA for use by children younger than 2 years of age.

    How should I take guaifenesin?
    • Take guaifenesin exactly as directed by your doctor. If you do not understand these directions, ask your pharmacist, nurse, or doctor to explain them to you.
    • Take each dose with a full glass of water. Drink plenty of extra fluids while you are taking this medication. Extra fluids may help to relieve chest congestion.
    • Take guaifenesin with food if it upsets your stomach.
    • Do not crush or chew the tablets. Swallow them whole or break them in half where they are scored to make them easier to swallow.
    • The capsules may be swallowed whole, or they may be opened and the contents sprinkled on soft food such as pudding or applesauce then swallowed whole without crushing or chewing.
    • To ensure that you get a correct dose, measure the liquid form of guaifenesin with a special dose-measuring spoon or cup, not with a regular table spoon. If you do not have a dose-measuring device, ask your pharmacist where you can get one.
    • Store guaifenesin at room temperature away from moisture, heat, and direct sunlight.

    What happens if I miss a dose?
    • Take the missed dose as soon as you remember. However, if it is almost time for your next dose, skip the missed dose and take only your next regularly scheduled dose. Do not take a double dose of this medication.

    What happens if I overdose?
    • An overdose of guaifenesin is unlikely to occur. If you do suspect an overdose, call an emergency room or poison control center near you.

    What should I avoid while taking guaifenesin?
    • Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Guaifenesin may cause dizziness. If you experience dizziness, avoid these activities.

    What are the possible side effects of guaifenesin?
    • No serious side effects are expected from guaifenesin therapy. Stop taking guaifenesin and seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).
    • Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take guaifenesin and talk to your doctor if you experience
    · dizziness or headache,
    · a rash, or
    · nausea, vomiting, or stomach upset.
    • Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.

    What other drugs will affect guaifenesin ?
    • There are no known interactions between guaifenesin and other medicines, although the possibility exists. Talk to your doctor and pharmacist before taking any prescription or over-the-counter medicines.
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    Red face Works great for colds!

    It is also the main ingredient in most cough syrups, makes sense. Well, this means sucks Ephedrine brands like VasoPro should help with colds.
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    Guaifenesin As A Fibromyalgia Treatment Protocol
    by Don Gillmore, LMT, RMTI


    This article is the result of a recent e-mail question about Fibromyalgia from another therapist and is based on my bodywork experience with several clients. First, I would like to say 'Thank you' to those clients who have educated me about Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS) and inspired me to look for answers which could be useful to others. I am not an expert, but in answering Jane's e-mail, I realized that I had useful information that others could use to help their clients. Others may have information I am not aware of and I would encourage them to e-mail me. I hope the information presented here and on the excellent web sites by Dr. Starlanyl, Ph D. and Dr. St. Amand, MD will be useful to my colleagues and their clients. Please feel free to read the background information in this article along with my e-mail response to Jane or skip directly to the web sites which are linked at the end of this article.

    Some of my early clients only suspected that they had Fibromyalgia and were frequently treated as hypochondriacs by their doctors. All of the diagnostic tests, of course had turned out negative or inconclusive while these clients continued to suffer from a bewildering array of symptoms which most commonly included, but were not limited to;

    1. specific and intense pain in an arm, leg, knee, back, hips or other area of the body singlely or all at once
    2. diffuse whole body aches and pains
    3. loss of energy, strength, or endurance often accompanied with weight gain
    4. decreased capacity to concentrate and focus mentally

    Some of my clients had actually received the default diagnosis of FMS from their doctors after years of diagnostic tests for everything under the sun, but were told that there was nothing that could help their condition.

    Since 1987, FMS has been recognized by the medical community as a valid 'syndrome', which has no known cure, however many doctors still think of FMS as a 'fad' illness. Furthermore, most of the medical community has no idea that there is a simple treatment protocol which has helped thousands manage their symptoms! You will probably have to educate your doctor or find one willing to prescribe a treatment not pushed by the pharmaceutical companies or 'published' in the medical journals.

    E-mail Question

    I am working with a client who has Fibromyalgia. Can you help me with specific massage techniques and protocols for this disease?
    Best Regards,
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    Hi Jane,

    Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS) is a tough one. As you probably know, it is sometimes confused with Chronic Myofascial Pain (CMP) formerly called Myofasial Pain Syndrome, which does respond to massage and bodywork therapies. (to view an exerpt from Dr. Starlanyl's book which defines these two syndromes and how they may overlapp, please click here ). FMS is a syndrome with no specific triggering event or agent common to all FMS sufferers and it has no known cure or treatment protocol (within the medical community). Frequently, an active and apparently healthy individual will suffer a severe trauma, which leaves them in pain and a growing list of symptoms for which the doctors have no answer. The accepted medical diagnostic for FMS, (when all other tests prove negative) is that the client has 11 of 18 predefined tender points sore at the same time. However, clients frequently have body wide discomfort/pain as well as chronic unrelaxed muscles with many other energy and psychological side effects. Because of the wide range of symptoms (not formally recognized by the allopathic community) that may accompany FMS, each client can be unique. (to view Dr. Starlanyl's extensive list of possible symptoms, please click here ).

    I have worked with several FMS clients. Some prefer (and enjoy) deep tissue work especially along neck, shoulders, and back. For these clients deep tissue therapy provided temporary relief and usually a good night's sleep. At least two of my FMS clients were so tender all over that it was difficult to give them any deep tissue work. With these clients, I used swedish massage and energy work. In most cases, even when massage therapy provided welcome temporary relief, I often doubted that I had been able to make a significant change to the client's chronic unrelaxed muscles. I am not aware of a massage protocol that is specific for FMS and works with all FMS clients. Keep in mind that it is possible that your client has Chronic Myofasial Pain which shares many symptoms with FMS or just as likely has CMP trigger points in addition to FMS.

    I would highly recommend that you and your client learn about the work of Dr. St. Amand and the use of guaifenesin as a treatment to relieve pain and reduce the amount of chronic unrelaxed muscle tissue. Three of my clients are currently using guaifenesin (at different dose rates) to manage their symptoms and regain active, happy and productive lifestyles.

    Guaifenesin is used in over the counter decongestants as a bronchial dilator, but your client will need to get a doctor's prescription for it in tablet form that is strong enough to effect the FMS. Many doctors are unfamiliar with guaifenesin as a FMS treatment protocol and may need to be educated, so here are three web sites with excellent info.

    1. http://www.sover.net/~devstar/ by Devin J. Starlanyl, PhD and author of two books considered to be the 'bible' of FMS. My niece cried when she read the first book, because she had found someone who recognized her many symptoms as part of FMS and not just hypochondria.

    2. www.guaidoc.com by Dr. St. Amand, MD, the foremost advocate for guaifenesin as a treatment protocol and the only one to formulate a coherent, but unaccepted theory about FMS's cause. He has a book and video that explain his theory as well as many of the unrecognized symptoms of FMS and his treatment protocol. This site also lists FMS support groups around the country. I highly recommend these as your client will need help in eliminating all trans-dermally and sublingually absorbed salicylates from their life if they choose guaifenesin as a treatment. He has also prepared a technical medical information sheet for the physician who is being asked to write the prescription www.guaidoc.com/PAGES/uricosuricdrugs.html

    3. www.guaifenesin.com a good site with links to several other Fibromyalgia and guaifenesin information and support group sites.

    I wish you and your client the best. Don
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    Originally Posted by Rage (SoCal)
    It is also the main ingredient in most cough syrups, makes sense. Well, this means sucks Ephedrine brands like VasoPro should help with colds.
    But the only thing is that it serves as a "filler" for ephedrine products. That is why I purchase BOLT because it is pure with nothing else in it. Can't beat the price either... Also, it seems they put it in so people don't OD on ephedrine, too much Guaifenesin and you're going to get sick. So in that sense, it is good to have out for the idiots who pop them like Skittles... But for people like us, it is a waste of money to have it in there.
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    Pretty sure I came across this on one of the old ephedrine threads, but it certainly belongs here as well:

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    If you happen to be a singer/professional speaker, Guaifenesin is actually a very friendly ingredient. Mucus and plegm can be a vocalists worst nightmare...and many professional singers "supplement" with Guaifenesin to maintain healthy and clean vocal chords.

    Only problem is that you can only find the non-prescription stuff in commercial cough syrups (like Robitussin) and guess what ingredient is also heavily used in most of these products? High Fructose Corn Syrup!

    Also, it is tough to find a pure Guaifenesin product (without Dextromethorphan/Antihistamines or some other active ingredients that combat the multi-symptom cold)....many of these other ingredients work against the singers goals by drying out the chords....

    Well enough about that....Vasopro seems like the perfect solution for the Singing Bodybuilder!
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    Originally Posted by Strummer
    Not everyone can get Bolt and people seem unwilling to help
    You can get it from New Jersey...

    We aren't unwilling to help... it's just against forum rules... sorry
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    the real reason most companies throw it in there.... methamphetamine production

    remove the alpha hydroxy group to ephedrine, and see what you get

    also IMO the real reason for the ephedra ban besides good PR
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    Pure Guai is also found in Mucinex. It is not really a "filler" like calcium... Guai does help fight many symptoms of cough, congestion, and colds.
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    Pure Guai is also found in Mucinex. It is not really a "filler" like calcium... Guai does help fight many symptoms of cough, congestion, and colds.
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