Im doing PCT right now with Nolva-Clom....Let me just say I almost DIED last night.
I started taking Clomid and Nolva last week.
Clomid 300mg first day then 100mg for 1st week
Nolva 40mg per day for the first week.
I also take Krealkalyn, Animal Pak Multis, Fish oil, Arg/ornithine (3000mg), Vit C 4000mg, Blue Rhino, Garlic, Milk Thistle.....
Well from reading the side effects I'm guessing it was the Nolva....
I had a headache all day yesterday so when I got home I took 800mg of Ibuprofen. Well about 30 minutes later my blood pressure dropped my lips turned white and I blacked out...My wife called the Ambulance...My blood pressure dropped to 66/39norm is 120/70, my heart was beating arrythmic (never happened) and I was soooo weak!!
I felt so Dizzy and spaced out.......Anyone on here ever have similar problems while taking these damn research chems.....
and if anyone knows what the f--k should I not take with it...
I was told to take
300mg clomid day then 100mg day first week 50mg second week.
40mg ed first two weeks then 20mg ed two more weeks.
help me out should I continue PCT?? lower the dose of Nolva? Skip the Nolva??...I want to recover fully but maybe im taking too much along with everything else I'm taking.
My mother is a nurse and she said to either stop taking al together but since she knows I wont listen she said take a break for 3 days.....any advice here..I need some pro's that have been thru this PCT plenty of times not noobs givin lame advice.
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Thread: Clomid-Nolvadex Side effects
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09-10-2005, 04:13 PM #1
Clomid-Nolvadex Side effects
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09-10-2005, 04:15 PM #2Originally Posted by crazylucciAustralia is the best country in the world.
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09-10-2005, 04:17 PM #3
well, i assume you had been taking all of the stuff and were doing fine until you took the ibuprofren. im no doctor, but common sense points me in that direction. 800mg is a lot anyway. im reading my bottle which is conveniently next to my desk.
take 1 tablet (200mg) every 4 to 6 hours. if pain does not respond to 1 pill, 2 may be used. the smallest effective dose should be used.
from this, i have gathered that you took 4 times the recommended dosage and 2 times the maximum dosage they recommend. hmmmmmm.
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09-11-2005, 07:33 AM #4
The first couple times I used nolvodex I had this terrible pain in my nutz when urinating. Other then that I have not had problems. Never tried Clom.
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09-11-2005, 08:01 AM #5Originally Posted by TravisLehr
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09-11-2005, 08:39 AM #6
What were you doing pct for exactly?
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09-11-2005, 09:14 AM #7
whats was your diet and water consumption yesterday, as well as support supps....
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09-11-2005, 09:16 AM #8Originally Posted by McDugan
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09-11-2005, 09:24 AM #9Originally Posted by /\/\ () |) This
Ate 6 small meals like usual..(three ON Whey shakes)
Took Now Arg/Orn 3000mg (6 caps) in AM before lifting
Took Kre-Alkalyn 1 serving before lifting
Took Blue Rhino 1 serving before lifting
Took 4000mg of Vit C throughout the day
Took 8 fish oil caps throughout the day
Took 4 flax seed caps throughtout the day
Took Animal Pak multi
Took 3 Milk Thistle caps
Took 1 garlic oil cap
I wil resume with the Clomid tommorrow and skip the Nolvadex.....I may not need it....or maybe 40mg is too much if you read the side effects on Nolva they are basically what I had...Irregular heartbeat, Shallow breathing, Fainting, Vomiting..I basically Blackedout and my blood pressure went so low I could have died.......
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09-11-2005, 03:19 PM #10
Damn aint anyone had adverse reactions to this stuff?? I drank a cup of coffee today and felt like i was gonna pass out....my blood pressure dropped again..Dr said give it 3-5 days to wear off....this is weird.why does everyone recommend nolva over clomid though nolva is way more toxic??
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09-12-2005, 10:22 AM #11
anyone else have an opinion or experienced weird things from this?
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09-12-2005, 10:25 AM #12Originally Posted by crazylucci
Clomid ALOT of people get blurred vision, extremely bad acne, and feel like a ****ing girl... You wont catch me using clomid again..
nolvadex is more than sufficient enough for pct and with how bad the blurred vision from the clomid is.. what happens if the blurred vision turns into problems seeing permanantly.. **** that...
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09-12-2005, 10:27 AM #13
You really need to go over to the roid forum to understand what you asked....you use nolva for estrogen rebound after clomid kicks your nuts into back into shape....simple terms...you may not be reacting to the 2 at all cuz I guess it's a propylene glycol solution which IMO isn't a great thing.
Last edited by The Abomination; 09-12-2005 at 10:29 AM.
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09-12-2005, 10:39 AM #14
This is odd, becasue as stated before, most people have worse sides with clomid than nolva. I have never heard of anyone complain about sides form nolva. I just got off clomid, was on it for 4 weeks, and i had blurred vision, now have ance all over my back, shoulders, arms, face, and i felt depresssed and weird with my emotions the whole time i was on it. SO in my opnion, clomid sides are much worse. My guess is you had a reaction to one or the other. I would drop both of them unitl you figure out which one gave you the reaction. If it in deed was the nolva, then continue with clomid, 100mg for 2 weeks, than 50mg for 2 more weeks. And with the blurred vision, it will go away, chances of it being permanent, or 1 in a million. thats like sayin you wont get put under to have surgery, becasue your afraid you wont wake up, yes it does happen, in 1 out of every 500,000 patients or what not. Listen to your body, be safe, if you cant handle the PCT, dont do the cycle, IMO. Be safe. Best of luck!!!
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09-12-2005, 11:05 AM #15Originally Posted by The Abomination
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09-12-2005, 01:25 PM #16Originally Posted by Twisted Steal
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09-12-2005, 02:13 PM #17Originally Posted by The Abomination
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09-12-2005, 08:30 PM #18
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I dont know what caused your problem but I do think that you dont need to use clomid and nolva, pick one of the two bro! It has been the popular consensus on most of the AAS boards that using both doesnt really have a hell of alot of benefit and thats when coming off a full on AAS cycle so I wouldnt imagine you would need both after doing even a heavy PH cycle.
Just my .02 but Im glad your okay.
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09-13-2005, 03:58 AM #19Originally Posted by force_
Do you think this botched my PCT or should i just resume with clomid at 50mg for 2 more weeks when(or if) i get a clean bil of health from the Doc..Pray for me!!
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09-13-2005, 04:00 AM #20Originally Posted by The Abomination
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09-13-2005, 12:10 PM #21
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Originally Posted by crazylucci
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09-13-2005, 01:01 PM #22Originally Posted by force_
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09-13-2005, 01:08 PM #23Originally Posted by crazylucci
It doesn't sound like you had an allergic reaction, but a toxic reaction. An allergic reaction would show a rash and/or swelling. Your symptoms sound like a toxic reaction which would lessen with a lower dose. It also could be a toxic reaction between drugs (the herbal ones). When I am on some items I use no herbal supplements because there isn't sufficient studies between the reaction of the drug and herbal supplement. For instance I can't use St. John's Wart because it has a toxic reaction with some of my prescribed meds which could result in death.
My opinion would be to stop taking the herbal supplements and perhaps cut the Nolva dose down. Also get a few days of bed rest.
I read somewhere about a recent study of Nolva that found higher doses are both harmfull and unnecessary. The conclusion was that 10mg was sufficient and some could even go as low as 5mg. In the case of Nolva more was worse, not better. Did anyone else see that study? I can't remember where I saw it.
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09-13-2005, 01:15 PM #24Originally Posted by bryan361
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09-14-2005, 05:21 AM #25
ok i took my clomid last night and felt weirded out........maybe it isnt the nolva???? can any of you who used both gimme an honest opinion of which has less sides? which is better at restoring hpta since i obviously am having trouble and cannot take both??
I need to get my test levels restored...i did 6 days so far and stoppedlast friday due to complications (almost dieing).....i have had sever headaches on and off, dizziness and a bit of numbness in my hands and face too. those are just some ofthe symptoms...low bloodpressure was the major fo me..it was awful.....do you guys think it is the clomid orthe nolva??? now im confused after takin clomid again last night????? shirmaybe it is the everclear they dilute it with?????
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09-14-2005, 05:33 AM #26
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Clomid defenitely has a bit more to sides than nolva. I am the moodiest person I know when I am on clomid. But the erections on clomid are way better than even on 4AD.
Sides vary from person to person. I have a friend who has had NO SIDE...none at all on clomid. I feel clomid helps you bounce back faster ie 2 weeks. While used along side Nolva its the bomb.
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09-14-2005, 05:35 AM #27
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Originally Posted by crazylucci
ive done clomid nolva set up the way you have about 50 times never had any probs
id look elsewhere
only side effect i ever had from clomid is trails when you suddenly turn the lights on after being in the dark
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09-14-2005, 07:27 AM #28Originally Posted by Krzna
So what is safer??? i want to continue...how braveof me right??? by the way since i waited sooo long for PCT since i didnt know squat estrogen is not a prob any longer plus i took novedex xt for a few weeks.....my estradiol level is fine 19 last time i checked (5-53 is norm) im sure it is even lower now.
i just want to boost the test..kick the gonads in high gear and pump friggin iron uninterrupted since obviously my episode cost me a few days lifting...id rather stop lifting and be safe.......opinions are not like "azzholes" here each one is much needed in my case....
myendocrine system is very delicate obviously...take a few PH's SHUT DOWN!! take PCT supps ALMOST CROAK!! certain "Natural" Test booster swell up my prostate ..I CANT WIN for f--kin losing!!
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09-14-2005, 07:17 PM #29Originally Posted by crazylucci
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09-15-2005, 11:02 AM #30Originally Posted by bryan361
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