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    Big L vs Big Pun

    For the flow-junkies.. Two heavy hitters going at it, who do you think had the better flow.

    Big L is nice.. but Pun danced circles around him with the flow.. that breath control is nuts.

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    L makes pun sound like a fat kid after a jog.

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    We need some more direct evidence:

    Big Pun is Kool G Rap to the 2nd power, I also think he didn't rely on punchlines like Big L did:



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    Big Pun used Punch-ins(Instead of recording in one take, recording>stopping and recording from the last bit, this allows you to change the timing of your lyrics) on his records which gives that extreme flowing sound, so he couldn't rap like that other than on a Studio track.

    They're both great though, I'd take Kool G Rap over both though.
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    Originally Posted by Seany6 View Post
    Big Pun used Punch-ins(Instead of recording in one take, recording>stopping and recording from the last bit, this allows you to change the timing of your lyrics) on his records which gives that extreme flowing sound, so he couldn't rap like that other than on a Studio track.

    They're both great though, I'd take Kool G Rap over both though.
    O RLY? I thought that flow was just naturally sick.

    Big L was ill.

    L > Pun
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    Originally Posted by Seany6 View Post
    I'd take Kool G Rap over both though.
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    pun was nice, but one thing about him that always bothered me was hearing him inhale after a few bars. he just sounded like a warthog. for some reason it just stood out to me. he was nasty regardless though
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    Originally Posted by blood vs. water View Post
    pun was nice, but one thing about him that always bothered me was hearing him inhale after a few bars. he just sounded like a warthog. for some reason it just stood out to me. he was nasty regardless though
    Yeah I always heard that too, thats what was meant by the 'fat kid after a jog' reference.
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    Originally Posted by hiphophead View Post
    Yeah I always heard that too, thats what was meant by the 'fat kid after a jog' reference.
    yeah i figured that's what you meant, but i haven't referred to someone as a warthog in a while, so i figured it was the right moment
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    Thumbs up Big L vs Eminem

    Alright, I'm surprised it turned out that way, people complaining about pun's flow. However, it's all good.. Big L came out victorious..

    So now it's..

    Big L vs Eminem.

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    I personally think [again, no hate on L] Eminem took it here - They were both verstaile with their voice and breath control - but when Eminem spits, it's always smooth and flows flawlessly, like an all natural flow. haa...

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    BIG L >>>> big pun
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    Originally Posted by SparringMinds85 View Post
    We need some more direct evidence:

    Big Pun is Kool G Rap to the 2nd power, I also think he didn't rely on punchlines like Big L did:



    That Biggie, L & Pun video was nice man - reps on recharge!

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    Originally Posted by mizzOe View Post
    Alright, I'm surprised it turned out that way, people complaining about pun's flow. However, it's all good.. Big L came out victorious..

    So now it's..

    Big L vs Eminem.

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    http://www.sendspace.com/file/2h869x

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    I personally think [again, no hate on L] Eminem took it here - They were both verstaile with their voice and breath control - but when Eminem spits, it's always smooth and flows flawlessly, like an all natural flow. haa...

    Get to voting peoples.. cheers
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    Originally Posted by hiphophead View Post
    L > Eminem

    7 Minute freestyle with Jay-Z. L's second verse is CRAZY
    Yeah compare THAT freestyle to Em's.

    L over Em on that ****. (But I am a huge Eminem fan)
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    I'm not even convinced that Big L was the best member of D.I.T.C.. O.C. can definitely make the claim that he was the best member. I also wonder how many people actually heard of Big L before his death. People just recently heard of him, and all of a sudden they crown him the best of all time? One album with alright production and some sub-par tracks does not equate into G.O.A.T.. Big L is not even top 5. Capital Punishment>Lifestyles Ov Da Poor & Dangerous.

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    Originally Posted by SparringMinds85 View Post
    I'm not even convinced that Big L was the best member of D.I.T.C.. O.C. can definitely make the claim that he was the best member. I also wonder how many people actually heard of Big L before his death. People just recently heard of him, and all of a sudden they crown him the best of all time? One album with alright production and some sub-par tracks does not equate into G.O.A.T.. Big L is not even top 5. Capital Punishment>Lifestyles Ov Da Poor & Dangerous.

    /rant.
    Well I was 9 years old when L was killed so I can't say I knew of him before he died. But he is one of my favorite MC's and it has nothing to do with his early death. I admire his unique style, flow, gritty lyrics, deadly metaphors, laugh out laugh punchlines and wordplay. Not to mention his crazy freestyle abilities.

    As for not even being the best rapper in D.I.T.C thats your opinion. I don't think any other member could lyrically touch L. He had such a groundbreaking first album, I mean Word Life is nice but its no Lifestyles Ov Da Poor and Dangerous.

    I think the only thing that didn't go L's way was the beats, if L had been alive long enough to do a whole album with Premo ..well that **** would of been bananas.
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    you could tell whos heard of him before and after. duke is nice and everything but to say hes the goat is reaching. i personally feel like people just wanna say that to feel different or so other cats know that they are truly a "hiphop head". im not gonna lie i wasnt introduced to big l until after he died. not many listen to him here in san francisco. most were fixated on the whole west coast stuff with some jay-z and nas thrown in the mix. big l's catalog isnt that long for dudes to call him the goat.

    but imo
    big pun>big l

    i swear that mans flow is like a machine gun. capital punishment is a down right classic. ill take that over the lifestyles of the poor and dangerous. for a short time after big's death big pun was the king of ny.
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    Originally Posted by hiphophead View Post
    Well I was 9 years old when L was killed so I can't say I knew of him before he died. But he is one of my favorite MC's and it has nothing to do with his early death. I admire his unique style, flow, gritty lyrics, deadly metaphors, laugh out laugh punchlines and wordplay. Not to mention his crazy freestyle abilities.

    As for not even being the best rapper in D.I.T.C thats your opinion. I don't think any other member could lyrically touch L. He had such a groundbreaking first album, I mean Word Life is nice but its no Lifestyles Ov Da Poor and Dangerous.

    I think the only thing that didn't go L's way was the beats, if L had been alive long enough to do a whole album with Premo ..well that **** would of been bananas.
    I can respect that point of view. It's all subjective anyways.
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    Originally Posted by hiphophead View Post
    Well I was 9 years old when L was killed so I can't say I knew of him before he died. But he is one of my favorite MC's and it has nothing to do with his early death. I admire his unique style, flow, gritty lyrics, deadly metaphors, laugh out laugh punchlines and wordplay. Not to mention his crazy freestyle abilities.

    As for not even being the best rapper in D.I.T.C thats your opinion. I don't think any other member could lyrically touch L. He had such a groundbreaking first album, I mean Word Life is nice but its no Lifestyles Ov Da Poor and Dangerous.

    I think the only thing that didn't go L's way was the beats, if L had been alive long enough to do a whole album with Premo ..well that **** would of been bananas.
    L is dope - but I was trying to make people notice other styles of flow.. besides the basic one-two flow... eminem displays this clearly in that freestyle (among others)..

    So stop being a bitch

    However, here's another one;



    Jurassic 5 ft BDK & Percy P - A Day At The Races

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/2292nj

    a line up of 6 vicious flowers..

    1st - Akil
    2nd - Zaakir
    3rd - Percy P
    4th - Big Daddy Kane
    5th - Chali 2na
    6th - Marc 7

    [Akil]
    Yo, my metaphor, my musical madness
    Move and motivate those with musical talents, uhh
    Read it in bold print, we holdin it down
    Lick a shot, hip-hop when we in yo' town
    Uhh, master blaster sound
    Freak the future far from here and now
    With style, release increase the peace, uhh
    Bubble with the beat 'til they feelin the heat in the streets
    Now each one, teach one, reach one, young gun
    On one, listen to the warrior's drum
    Beatin up the block with the ghetto hop that knock
    and make you wanna crash the spot
    And unlock explode (BOOM) the alpha and omega code
    With drum rolls and old soul, we uphold
    And foretold to scores of six years ago
    Fast flow from G. Rap to Kool Moe
    Supasyllable, major to the minimal
    Every individual, bounce to the tempo yo
    Lungs collapse and raps be trapped in
    The only way to make it happen, jaw-jappin, fast rappin

    [Zaakir]
    Yo, I'm the hot dog that run the hottest monologue
    In star poetic inserts and yes y'all s
    My speech is like holding two glocks apiece
    The outreach that rock police
    The super adventure men portend to put somethin in bitches
    Win when we write, the Emmy winner get hyped, off any printer
    And I came to get it (HIT IT)
    Like Operation PUSH, operate the tush
    Black octopus of soul, in inter-planetary patrol
    I planted my gold, and low and behold
    It's the brother doc, ready to rock-rock
    Don't stop Hobbes, I known like the lumberjack chop chop
    The wordsmith, I write in block letters of cursive
    Curse my circus, serve this surface
    And watch how the brother fet over
    The fly Cassanova with the frankencense odor

    [Percy P]
    Bear witness
    To where riches'll make career bitches share pictures
    When the ears get this ya brainses software'll glitches
    Splatter your brains
    Leave scattered remains of matter and stains
    That'll explain how you was battled and slain
    I get rude and go, to your show and use a row
    of fans to BOO and throw you off 'til you lose your flow
    A pro mean like Joe Greene when I blow theme
    Put your whole team on pause like cold cream
    Then show laughter when I flow faster, your hoe haveta
    go after her weave from the breeze when I blow past ya
    I'm dapper plus ghetto and just pedal
    When the dust settles we left in the rubble the crushed metal
    Nurses with hearses sealin conversed with lit purses
    Spit fire, make you first to bit, try me
    Like Osama, OR DAHMER, I'ma cause trauma
    And homicides when I collide I get kamikaze

    [Big Daddy Kane]
    Kane baby, walk hard, the p-jects
    On streets of Brooklyn I'm a crew of D-cepts
    On streets of L.A. I'm a whole E-set
    On tracks with Jurassic I be the T-Rex
    Still that ***** dressin, still that coochie pressin
    My pimp game smooth be-gets 'em
    I don't use discretion; cop tends to be stressin
    **** explainin it, who's he testin?
    Finsta perform all physical forms
    Leave your ass shakin like a Mystikal song
    Please Dumb, what type of **** was you on?
    Cause man to compress a ***** mean One less a ***** (uh-huh)
    All I want is my *****z all recruitin a slimmy
    All I want is my liver all polluted with Remi
    Duel with any, bring it, I face-off
    Son you out your league like Jordan was with baseball

    [Chali 2na]
    Yeahhh, your majesty, word flash photography
    Third class economy, blade slashed your artery
    Nerve gassed anatomy, blurred past dramatically
    Herbs hashed, my word splash packed agility
    Never predictability
    Manouvers of mind fully designed cause I'm true to the rhyme
    We do the sublime, crackin yo' backbone
    Attackin you wack clones
    Vernacular right and exact, capital rap zone
    that come back verbal assault rifle (ahhhhh)
    We fight like Stokely Carmichael
    Nope! We just like you
    We broke and ain't no tellin what we might do
    Ain't no joke
    Provoke the right to reverse to seek mercy
    with the King Asiatic and Percy P
    Ain't heard the worst of me, until your chest 3-D
    Spit venom and burn your body like a STD

    [Marc 7]
    Put a 20 on the next brother steppin to me wrong
    I mess around a lick cause you done cheat on my theme song
    This might seem wrong, but this is a mean song
    Crushed like King-Kong, and just like ping-pong
    Back and forth, I spit knowl' and toss, it's time to floss
    My verbal affirmation is to always go off
    When syllables slide you'll be enjoyin the vibe
    When consider it pride, it's J5
    When another deadly medley, camera action yo we heavy
    Aim steady slash machette Mazeratti engine ready
    Good and plenty don't be petty count the fetti and we jetti
    OFF to another city where we do our nitty grity
    We wild like Serengeti, tear it down let's seek and set it
    Get ready, for the ride, verbally hand-glide
    Write and stay tight, mission's in sight
    Murderer worldwide the stage is yo' knife
    In my opinion it was very close between Percy P & Chali 2na..

    but i choose chali 2na.. come on now, i don't even need to explain this one!
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