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    Ephedra/Caffiene Vs. Clenbuterol?

    Read some post on another forum about clenbuterol and they made it out to be a much more effective fat burner than ephedra, I thought they were close to the same except that clen boosts your metabolism an extra 2%. What is everyones thoughts on clen over ephedra/caffiene?

    Also, could you take clen with ephedra/c or would this be serious overkill?
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    There's been quite a few good posts about clen on this board in the last couple days. Not to sound like a jerk, but a search would actually yield some really good results.

    Most peoples first cycle of clen seems to be very effective. (Or so I've read)
    5 years of working out and 50 more to go.
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    Originally Posted by Shike
    There's been quite a few good posts about clen on this board in the last couple days. Not to sound like a jerk, but a search would actually yield some really good results.

    Most peoples first cycle of clen seems to be very effective. (Or so I've read)
    Alright I suppose Ill search it but I was asking about its effectiveness vs. ephedra/c.
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    well all things are compared to ec with respect to fat loss, so a search should give you some results.

    you are aware that clen is "not for human consumption", correct?

    on a side note, loky has claimed that heat is better for fat loss than ec, big claim, but interesting.
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    Originally Posted by nni
    well all things are compared to ec with respect to fat loss, so a search should give you some results.

    you are aware that clen is "not for human consumption", correct?

    on a side note, loky has claimed that heat is better for fat loss than ec, big claim, but interesting.
    Yah Im definitely aware that its "not for human consumption".

    Ill take a look at that, that is a pretty strong claim.
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    I have always had lots of luck with an ECA stack. I found clen kinda harsh for the first few days. With that said everyone's results and sides will very.
    With the ECA stack it seems to kill my hunger much more than clen does. Best of luck
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    Thanks, yah everyone feel free to post, I dont see any e/c vs. clen threads, so post your experiences and thoughts all.
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    Originally Posted by Too swole
    I found clen kinda harsh for the first few days.
    What do you mean by harsh?
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    Originally Posted by Qaiphyx
    What do you mean by harsh?
    jitters along with insomnia just for a few days though
    some people are the other way meaning they tolerate clen better
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    ECA stack killed my appetite, only jittery for about 30 mintues
    Clen burns the fat like no other product, but you have to know what you are doing when you take it. The only thing I didn't like about it was getting "winded" during workouts.
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    [QUOTE=SoldierNIraq]ECA stack killed my appetite, only jittery for about 30 mintues
    Clen burns the fat like no other product,
    Lets not forget cytomel
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    Clen is a beta 2 agonist so it's a one sided drug. It puts potassium into cells (via beta 2 receptor). Well guess what? THere is only so much potassium a cell can hold.

    Omega 3 fish oil seems to reset beta receptors though. It also downregulates or reduces alpha receptors at the same time. (see Pubmed)
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    Originally Posted by Phosphate bond
    Clen is a beta 2 agonist so it's a one sided drug. It puts potassium into cells (via beta 2 receptor). Well guess what? THere is only so much potassium a cell can hold.

    Omega 3 fish oil seems to reset beta receptors though. It also downregulates or reduces alpha receptors at the same time. (see Pubmed)
    So Clen and Omega 3 together would create an ultimate beta receptor scenario for fat loss?
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    Originally Posted by Qaiphyx
    So Clen and Omega 3 together would create an ultimate beta receptor scenario for fat loss?
    I'm not saying that. Because this stuff is more complicated than just putting 2 and 2 together.

    Fish oil seems to work for fat loss in general though.
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    A little info from another board

    Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing is increased.

    Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pressure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product. In the meantime, Clenbuterol is well distributed on the black market and costs between $0.70 and $1.20 per 0.02 mg tablet.
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    recharge = I used all my repping ability for the next 24 hours.

    Yah I dont get it either, its just whos been here long and who gets repped by who, if you help out the newbs their repping doesnt mean anything, if you make a super extensive post with tons of good points and the forum oldies like it they rep you and bring you up like no other.

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    Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent (clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent)
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    Originally Posted by MATT 022206
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    From the second part and a quote from Loki

    "H.E.A.T. Stack: This one, while it might not occur too many, makes significant practical sense assuming one is knowledgeable about his or her stimulant tolerance and is aware of the potential risks. The simple gist is that clenbuterol’s lipolytic effects are predominately beta2-mediated. Adding H.E.A.T. Stack in conjunction will allow the user to markedly increase beta1 and beta3 mediated lipolysis simultaneously, thereby creating a bonafide peripheral lipolytic jamboree, in addition to providing some much-needed appetite suppression—one of clenbuterol’s significant pharmacological shortcomings when it comes to dieting

    Miserly, risk-prone bastards could also use E/C in place of H.E.A.T. Stack, assuming they have no problems knowing that they are antagonizing the fed state and putting themselves at a much higher risk of negative cardiac and/or blood-pressure related interactions, both of which would be well above and beyond what one would be dealing with when using the much more benign and—dare I say—“classy” *wink* H.E.A.T. Stack. "
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    However, I have heard instances where one would run Clen for 2 weeks, and during the 2 weeks off, run an EC-stack.
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    Originally Posted by Stuntdawg
    However, I have heard instances where one would run Clen for 2 weeks, and during the 2 weeks off, run an EC-stack.
    I'm no expert whatsoever, but I thought both E and Clen were Beta 2 antagonists. From Loky's article:

    This makes ephedrine a primarily indirect and non-specific sympathomimetic, as it effectively delivers a mild ‘catecholamine carpet-bombing’ to all your various beta receptors (beta1, beta2, atypical beta3, and putative, atypical beta4).
    I'm sure someone with more knowledge than myself could explain it better, but wouldn't E+C actually further hurt your receptors if taken after week 2? Maybe since E is mild to the receptors it's not detrimental at all???
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    Originally Posted by Shike
    I'm no expert whatsoever, but I thought both E and Clen were Beta 2 antagonists. From Loky's article:



    I'm sure someone with more knowledge than myself could explain it better, but wouldn't E+C actually further hurt your receptors if taken after week 2? Maybe since E is mild to the receptors it's not detrimental at all???
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    If I'm not mistaken, the EC stacks effects each receptor to some degree. Running Ketotifen with Clen/EC would allow one to use each over a longer duration without downgrading the beta-2 receptors as quickly.
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    ECA stack killed my appetite, only jittery for about 30 mintues
    Clen burns the fat like no other product,
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    cytomel you need to run it with androgens or aas.
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    Cool

    guys, i wanna IF you can actually use clen and ephedrine together at the same time? I can't see how you cannot.
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    Originally Posted by armz_ha
    guys, i wanna IF you can actually use clen and ephedrine together at the same time? I can't see how you cannot.
    Your heart may explode

    Well, those articles scared the crap out of me. I was all planned with my cycle and now I am going to be worried about heart trouble. And loki also said a 7 day cycle when I have seen everyone doing 2 week cycles. From what he was saying it makes more sense to do a 7 day cycle because enough will have built up to burn out the beta 2's by the second weeks end.
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