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    Are lymph nodes round or flat?

    Or do they have different shapes and they aren't all the same?

    Usually on the pictures in books they look round like a berry but I have various flat,small things on my neck which basically have the shape of a RFID chip but only much smaller. They are 2-3mm long. Can a lymph node even have such a strange shape? Kinda like a flat, small cigarre?

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    as long as they work, who cares what shape they are?
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    depends on the STD
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    I just wanna know if these things can even be lymph nodes.
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    I just wanna know if these things can even be lymph nodes.
    they can be death nodes
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    Human lymph nodes are bean-shaped and range in size from a few millimeters to about 1-2 cm in their normal state. They may become enlarged due to a tumor or infection. White blood cells are located within honeycomb structures of the lymph nodes. Lymph nodes are enlarged when the body is infected due to enhanced production of some cells and division of activated T and B cells. In some cases they may feel enlarged due to past infections; although one may be healthy, one may still feel them residually enlarged.

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    Malignant and tuberculous nodes are usually round in shape with a short axis to long axis (S/L) ratio greater than or equal to 0.5, whereas reactive and normal nodes are usually long or oval-shaped. Nevertheless, it has been reported that normal submandibular and parotid nodes tend to be round in shape. Moreover, malignant nodes may be oval in shape when they are in early stage of involvement. Therefore, nodal shape should be considered as the sole criterion in the diagnosis. However, eccentric cortical hypertrophy, which indicates focal intranodal tumour infiltration, is a useful sign to identify malignant nodes.

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    I wonder if the small ones which are only 2-3mm also look like this:



    Because my ones rather have the shape of a tiny,flat cigarre.
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    In all seriousness, they are round.
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    They shouldn't be totally flat.
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    Originally Posted by thegaandman View Post
    In all seriousness, they are round.
    But occy's quote says that it's not good when they are round.
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    Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    They shouldn't be totally flat.
    Oh. Is it bad when they are totally flat?
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    Oh. Is it bad when they are totally flat?
    dude they aren't flat, omfg.

    if you feel around in your neck enough you are bound to find little lumps and bumps. you have so many arteries and veins (which you are probrobly feeling), glands, ect there.

    lymph nodes tend to be mobile, so if you can move it up and down as well as to the side, its a node. If it's just on direction, it's not a lymph node.

    eitherway, you are not feeling your lymp nodes. I have things that feel like what you are describing in my neck too. I've had my neck examined literally 5 times this year by different doctors, all of which found nothing abnormal. (2 physicals, couple ent visits for tonsils), yet everytime I feel around I feel something and freak out about it (much like you do).

    also, lymph nodes are extremely reactive to you prodding them, and they will swell up as a result.
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    They are used to they circulate lymph to tissues in the body, so there is a fluid in the nodes. Just like blood in the veins and arteries. But since they are small and you must press against them to feel them, they might just feel flat.
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    But if these are not lymph nodes then what the crap is this? I have various tiny,flat, cigarre-shaped,cartilaginous objects on my neck. I wonder what the heck this is. This pisses me off. Others don't have such a crap on their necks.
    Could these be cysts under the skin? Actually they feel a bit like cysts with a firm cover.
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    Hard to say without seeing them, bro. Could be nothing, could be something. Might be a cyst. Get it checked out if you are worried.
    Might be a Lipoma
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    But occy's quote says that it's not good when they are round.
    when they are round and you can feel them like lumps, they are swollen.
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    Yes, maybe I should go to a doc and get ultrasound but somehow I always feel like if a doctor finds something on such an area he'll simply say: "It's a lymph node." no matter if he is sure or not. He'll just say it because then the case is closed and he can go to the next patient...
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    Yes, maybe I should go to a doc and get ultrasound but somehow I always feel like if a doctor finds something on such an area he'll simply say: "It's a lymph node." no matter if he is sure or not. He'll just say it because then the case is closed and he can go to the next patient...
    mine were swollen when i got teh mono
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    its not just the size of the node that can be concern. It's how it feels (soft or hard) and whether or not it is mobile or fixed to surrounding tissue. Lymphadenopathy in the neck is very common, especially with allergies. Nodes that hang around, are hard or immobile should be checked out
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    Yes, maybe I should go to a doc and get ultrasound but somehow I always feel like if a doctor finds something on such an area he'll simply say: "It's a lymph node." no matter if he is sure or not. He'll just say it because then the case is closed and he can go to the next patient...
    or because we have felt so many lymph nodes on exam we dont need to examine it for 30 mins. If your eyes were closed and a girl put here breasts in your hands, how long would it take you to identify it......

    knowing the anatomy and what should and shouldnt be there really eliminates your deep thinking
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    Nodes that hang around, are hard or immobile should be checked out
    This scars me again cuz I also have a few lymph nodes in the groin which feel kinda crude and aren't mobile imho. I showed them to a doctor and he did an ultrasound and said that it's normal. He also claimed they are mobile but when I tried to grab them or move them I couldn't move them. I have some lipomas which are mobile. There's no comparison to the lymph nodes. The lipomas can be grabbed and moved around but the nodes can't.
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    This scars me again cuz I also have a few lymph nodes in the groin which feel kinda crude and aren't mobile imho. I showed them to a doctor and he did an ultrasound and said that it's normal. He also claimed they are mobile but when I tried to grab them or move them I couldn't move them. I have some lipomas which are mobile. There's no comparison to the lymph nodes. The lipomas can be grabbed and moved around but the nodes can't.
    mobile is relative tho, meaning they're not fixed to the surrounding tissue.....they will be fixed within the lympatic system tho. I send suspicious nodes for biopsy but definitely not every node i feel gets sent for biopsy
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    This scars me again cuz I also have a few lymph nodes in the groin which feel kinda crude and aren't mobile imho. I showed them to a doctor and he did an ultrasound and said that it's normal. He also claimed they are mobile but when I tried to grab them or move them I couldn't move them. I have some lipomas which are mobile. There's no comparison to the lymph nodes. The lipomas can be grabbed and moved around but the nodes can't.
    Inguinal (groin) lymph nodes don't move to the same extent as the ones in your neck (for example), but they do move. Your doctor will know better than you whether or not they are moving. You don't seem to be open to comments from people in this thread who know what they are talking about, so do yourself a favour and go to the doctor and BELIEVE HIM.
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    But if these are not lymph nodes then what the crap is this? I have various tiny,flat, cigarre-shaped,cartilaginous objects on my neck. I wonder what the heck this is. This pisses me off. Others don't have such a crap on their necks.
    Could these be cysts under the skin? Actually they feel a bit like cysts with a firm cover.
    they must be cancerous tumors. don't worry about it. as a practising pseudo-expert i can assure you that you'll die soon enough.
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    Originally Posted by swimmd99 View Post
    mobile is relative tho, meaning they're not fixed to the surrounding tissue.....they will be fixed within the lympatic system tho. I send suspicious nodes for biopsy but definitely not every node i feel gets sent for biopsy
    i got a question for you..

    can lymph nodes ache, particularly ones behind the ear.? I have a small bump pretty much directly on my mastoid process. Maybe 1cm in diameter, fairly mobile, firm, not tender to the touch. My neck does ache from time to time on that side tho, and behind the ear and the back of the head on that side also.

    i dunno if its a cyst or not. I've heard cysts can cause symptoms also.
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    Originally Posted by SilverSpork View Post
    i got a question for you..

    can lymph nodes ache, particularly ones behind the ear.? I have a small bump pretty much directly on my mastoid process. Maybe 1cm in diameter, fairly mobile, firm, not tender to the touch. My neck does ache from time to time on that side tho, and behind the ear and the back of the head on that side also.

    i dunno if its a cyst or not. I've heard cysts can cause symptoms also.
    Yes - those are your posterior auricular lymph nodes. Those lymph nodes drain predominantly your outer ear.
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    I guess it's also hard to make a diagnosis over the internet. Maybe I should get an ultrasound but I'm not sure if this will enable the doctor to tell me exactly what these things are. Maybe they are cysts or lipomas or simply "strange knots".

    But what I don't understand is if they are lymph nodes then why can I feel some and others not?
    When I look at pictures of the locations of lymph nodes then I cannot feel anything at some places where there are lymph nodes but others I can feel. This is strange. If they were there then I should be able to feel them but I cannot feel anything.
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    Originally Posted by ben3133 View Post
    Yes - those are your posterior auricular lymph nodes. Those lymph nodes drain predominantly your outer ear.
    so it would indicate a local infection?

    I do have chronic tonsilitus.

    i dunno if its from me grinding my teeth at night (had a mouth guard from dentist but lost it a long time ago) caussing me to have discomfort around the sides of my face and back there. Or if its some swollen muscle attachment (since muscles are attached to the area where this bump is)
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    Originally Posted by SilverSpork View Post
    so it would indicate a local infection?

    I do have chronic tonsilitus.

    i dunno if its from me grinding my teeth at night (had a mouth guard from dentist but lost it a long time ago) caussing me to have discomfort around the sides of my face and back there. Or if its some swollen muscle attachment (since muscles are attached to the area where this bump is)
    chronic tonsillitis should be resolved by surgery otherwise you risk getting sick because of the bacteria which spread in your body and attack joints or even the heart
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    Originally Posted by randyrandal View Post
    I guess it's also hard to make a diagnosis over the internet. Maybe I should get an ultrasound but I'm not sure if this will enable the doctor to tell me exactly what these things are. Maybe they are cysts or lipomas or simply "strange knots".

    But what I don't understand is if they are lymph nodes then why can I feel some and others not?
    When I look at pictures of the locations of lymph nodes then I cannot feel anything at some places where there are lymph nodes but others I can feel. This is strange. If they were there then I should be able to feel them but I cannot feel anything.
    The ultrasound will at least tell you what the bumps are not (eg. tumor).

    Some lymph nodes are more superficial than others, they change their size based on lymph activity in the area, etc.

    Originally Posted by SilverSpork View Post
    so it would indicate a local infection?

    I do have chronic tonsilitus.

    i dunno if its from me grinding my teeth at night (had a mouth guard from dentist but lost it a long time ago) caussing me to have discomfort around the sides of my face and back there. Or if its some swollen muscle attachment (since muscles are attached to the area where this bump is)
    It could be inflammation of your TMJ joint (from the constant grinding).. I don't think tonsillitis would cause enlargement of your posterior auricular lymph nodes, but swimmd99 can correct me if I'm wrong.
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