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    Originally Posted by Cogar
    Not quite.

    What the article states:



    What I stated:

    ok, ok, lets not kill this thread too bad.

    the way i took it.... sure it helped him... didnt cause it, but whatever.

    back to the article, and not the big red puss, or for my espanol friends. la grande choca rosa.
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    Originally Posted by nni
    ok, ok, lets not kill this thread too bad.

    the way i took it.... sure it helped him... didnt cause it, but whatever.

    back to the article, and not the big red puss, or for my espanol friends. la grande choca rosa.
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    He admitted to using Andro because it was found in his locker. But obviously, Andro was not what bulked him up.

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    Originally Posted by BringnIt
    Actually, I was referring to both the cause-and-effect that you mentioned there (increased exposure leading to more stories, etc.) but more-so the cat-and-mouse situation as a whole. The government is obviously aware of the situation at least to a degree, and if companies keep circumventing the ban by altering compounds, the government may be forced to take further action.
    my thinking as well
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    Cheating athletes know the tricks
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    One such supplement on the market is Superdrol, which Ayotte describes as "a potent steroid that should never have been allowed to be distributed for human beings." Until such products are shown to contain steroids, however, they can be legally purchased.
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    Wow, good catch. Superdrol got mention but the article was primarly focussed on EPO and poor ol' Lance.
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    Originally Posted by Flagg3
    He admitted to using Andro because it was found in his locker. But obviously, Andro was not what bulked him up.

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    Exack-a-lack-ly!!!
    ROFL

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    Originally Posted by SwingGuru
    Exack-a-lack-ly!!!

    That was just a stupid marketing scam.
    ok last thing ill say about "la grande choca rosa", roids can make you bigger, stronger, and recover faster, but it isnt going to enhance your skill. lets say rey ordonez a career .2something hitter, juices up, he isnt going to start hitting bombs, the skill has to be there, the power just takes you home.

    for example, in your sig, you say your a pro golfer, if you juice up, you will be able to hit the ball long off the tee, it doesnt do a damn thing for your short game or accuracy though, you could be hitting the ball 500 yards into the woods.

    thats my point, is it cheating, sure, but it doesnt instantly make you a superstar.

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    PA are you still coming out with a PH-type product?
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    Originally Posted by TNCEKM
    Drol over SD for a good risk/benifit ratio?????

    believe it or not, yes.

    although anadrol is probably one of the approved steroids with the most side effects, it still seems to have less than superdrol. certainly less than M1T
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    Originally Posted by UberBerzerker


    Just who these modern chemists are is far from clear. They inhabit a murky underground that largely serves the sweaty gyms and fitness boutiques that have proliferated across the continent. But Ayotte says it's pretty clear the drugs are being sent to China to manufacture in bulk.
    --Toronto Star




    *UberBerzerker packs up his murky, underground basement laboratory and makes a few calls to 'clients' in China*

    Time to move the operation!!




    that quote is so ridiculous. Anyone with not much effort can find out who sells this stuff (****, and *******, and designer, and legal gear etc), and who the major suppliers of these compounds are in china. they advertise themselves for christ sake.

    the mystique of mystery is made up for good reason (couple of reasons)
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    i'm not here to talk about the past


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    Originally Posted by Cogar
    OK. No offense taken.

    Guys,

    get a room already
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
    believe it or not, yes.

    although anadrol is probably one of the approved steroids with the most side effects, it still seems to have less than superdrol. certainly less than M1T
    *puts down SD and heads on over to the Drol 50 *

    Yay

    Not in terms of liver toxicity though, right?
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    Originally Posted by SwingGuru
    Exack-a-lack-ly!!!

    That was just a stupid marketing scam.

    Red herring anyone?
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    Originally Posted by nni
    ok last thing ill say about "la grande choca rosa", roids can make you bigger, stronger, and recover faster, but it isnt going to enhance your skill. lets say rey ordonez a career .2something hitter, juices up, he isnt going to start hitting bombs, the skill has to be there, the power just takes you home.

    for example, in your sig, you say your a pro golfer, if you juice up, you will be able to hit the ball long off the tee, it doesnt do a damn thing for your short game or accuracy though, you could be hitting the ball 500 yards into the woods.

    thats my point, is it cheating, sure, but it doesnt instantly make you a superstar.

    sorry, rant over.

    you need the talent yes,

    however steroids can definitely decrease reaction time. And increase concentration. And they may even enhance spatial acuity (which may benefit the golfers).

    Goes far beyond just bulk and power.
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    Originally Posted by nni
    ok last thing ill say about "la grande choca rosa", roids can make you bigger, stronger, and recover faster, but it isnt going to enhance your skill. lets say rey ordonez a career .2something hitter, juices up, he isnt going to start hitting bombs, the skill has to be there, the power just takes you home.

    for example, in your sig, you say your a pro golfer, if you juice up, you will be able to hit the ball long off the tee, it doesnt do a damn thing for your short game or accuracy though, you could be hitting the ball 500 yards into the woods.

    thats my point, is it cheating, sure, but it doesnt instantly make you a superstar.

    sorry, rant over.
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    Originally Posted by avian
    PA are you still coming out with a PH-type product?

    Do you think now it would be a wise thing to do from the standpoint of mysefl? My company? The prosteroid industry in general?
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
    you need the talent yes,

    however steroids can definitely decrease reaction time. And increase concentration. And they may even enhance spatial acuity (which may benefit the golfers).

    Goes far beyond just bulk and power.

    When you mention reaction time, one baseball player comes to mind, and that's Sammy Sosa. Here we have a near 600 career homerun hitter, who can hardly make contact with a 80mph fastball. He has to be near the weight at which he was when he entered the league. A stark contrast from his 1998-2001 years, when he when as big as an ox. His bat speed is tremendously slow and his playing ability has dropped considerably.

    I won't speculate as to why this drastic change in playing ability has taken place, but this example does convey how relevant reaction time obvious is.
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    Originally Posted by TNCEKM
    *puts down SD and heads on over to the Drol 50 *

    Yay

    Not in terms of liver toxicity though, right?

    IF i am not mistaken, reports of liver enzyme results from users of SD have been quite concerning

    BTW, did you know that superdrol is made from anadrol? catalytic hydrogenation of anadrol yields superdrol
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    Originally Posted by Stuntdawg
    When you mention reaction time, one baseball player comes to mind, and that's Sammy Sosa. Here we have a near 600 career homerun hitter, who can hardly make contact with a 80mph fastball. He has to be near the weight at which he was when he entered the league. A stark contrast from his 1998-2001 years, when he when as big as an ox. His bat speed is tremendously slow and his playing ability has dropped considerably.

    I won't speculate as to why this drastic change in playing ability has taken place, but this example does convey how relevant reaction time obvious is.


    Obviously body bulk is going to interfere with speed. There has to be a balance

    Track athletes are a great example of steroid use to increase speed and reaction time. Track athletes of the past who have used steroids would take very small amounts compared to other sports. They needed the nervous system benefits and strength benefits but also needed to avoid the bulk which naturally would slow them down. So the right dosages would strike the perfect balance.

    The ironic thing about the use of steroids in many athletic events (such as track and even baseball) is that the amount taken for these sports is so small as to make the much ballyhooed dangers of the practice for these people pretty irrelevant. It is only when you get to the bulk sports that dosages get very unhealthy
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    Do you think now it would be a wise thing to do from the standpoint of mysefl? My company? The prosteroid industry in general?
    No...No it would not
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
    Do you think now it would be a wise thing to do from the standpoint of mysefl? My company? The prosteroid industry in general?
    How have things changed since you had decided to come out with a new PH?

    To answer your question...well I think that you did when you said that you were going to manufacture a new PH.

    So, what's the deal?
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
    Do you think now it would be a wise thing to do from the standpoint of mysefl? My company? The prosteroid industry in general?

    Originally Posted by cheezefacta
    No...No it would not
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    Originally Posted by quigs
    How have things changed since you had decided to come out with a new PH?

    To answer your question...well I think that you did when you said that you were going to manufacture a new PH.

    So, what's the deal?
    It doesnt look that good in my eyes, unfortunately. Been looking forward to this since the announcement, but its not up to us.
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    THings have changed since some DC reporter started questioning PA and everyone involved in the grey-area part of the industry. Now we have another article on the situation.
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    Not being rude.......

    I remember ALR saying he would never come out with a PH and it was just a cover as he was narking off companies. "Why would I nark if I am coming out with a PH myself?"

    Seems someone may have hit the nail on the head this time.
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    Originally Posted by BringnIt
    THings have changed since some DC reporter started questioning PA and everyone involved in the grey-area part of the industry. Now we have another article on the situation.
    No, they haven't. PA stated after the fact that he was contacted about the PH situation that he planned to still go forward with the new prosteroid. Dig up the thread...its on there.

    He's either messing with us now, or was messing with us in the first place.

    So, PA what's the deal?
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