ultimate shoulder exercise?

[iDarren]

I do the overhead press with a barbell. I hold it behind the head and use very good form. This is my favourite shoulder exercise.

My question is this... People always say side lateral raises are needed to build the "side head" muscle... but are they? Doesn't the overhead press build it just as well?

[dethmetalanimal]

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[iDarren]

if you want the answer to your question do this: go into your bathroom, look in the mirror, flash the lights on and off, and chant "I summon Diamond Delts" three times. then come back and check for replies.

OK

[mAssholio]

My question is this... People always say side lateral raises are needed to build the "side head" muscle... but are they? Doesn't the overhead press build it just as well?

not for a lot of people

[flangmasterj]

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God Candyman blew ass.

By the way do both exercises. Hit the shoulder from all the angles.

[PhilX]

I do the overhead press with a barbell. I hold it behind the head and use very good form. This is my favourite shoulder exercise.

Good form or not, any weights exercise that involves going behind the head is not good for your cervical vertebrae.
By this I mean exercises such as your favourite, the behind the head barbell press, and others such as lat pull downs behind the neck...

[genepool]

I do the overhead press with a barbell. I hold it behind the head and use very good form. This is my favourite shoulder exercise.

My question is this... People always say side lateral raises are needed to build the "side head" muscle... but are they? Doesn't the overhead press build it just as well?

the overhead press is more specific for the anterior(front) delt. the medial and posterior heads are involved as well, just to a lesser extent.

I prefer lateral raises to more specifically target the medial head.

[DiamondDelts]

I do the overhead press with a barbell. I hold it behind the head and use very good form. This is my favourite shoulder exercise.

My question is this... People always say side lateral raises are needed to build the "side head" muscle... but are they? Doesn't the overhead press build it just as well?

This question comes down to individual bone structure I believe. Those with straight clavices have a naturally good platform for pressing and often are able to get very good shoulder development from shoulder presses. Though doing both presses and laterals are needed for optimal gains in most people.

As for those with a curved clavicle they usually have to focus on iso's(laterals) to build up their delts. Sloped shoulders are just not a good platform for pressing and the medial delts just don't seem to be wired in as much during presses for guys with this type of bonestructure in my opinion.

[DiamondDelts]

I do the overhead press with a barbell. I hold it behind the head and use very good form. This is my favourite shoulder exercise.

My question is this... People always say side lateral raises are needed to build the "side head" muscle... but are they? Doesn't the overhead press build it just as well?

if you want the answer to your question do this: go into your bathroom, look in the mirror, flash the lights on and off, and chant "I summon Diamond Delts" three times. then come back and check for replies.

Ha,ha. Good one.

[Tyciol]

If you do the overhead press with elbows to the sides it can, but often they tend to travel to the front. I guess this is one risk avoided doing it behind the neck, even if it is awkward.

[dubano]

hmmm

DD, what do you think of Side press ??

[Big Arm Big Pay]

I honestly find that my best exercise for slapping on delts is front raises and dumb press

[DiamondDelts]

hmmm

DD, what do you think of Side press ??

I like them. Though stability becomes the largest obstacle as you go heavier. It gets to the point to where you are spending more energy focusing on stabilizing yourself rather than actually working the target muscle. That was my major frustation with them. Though I now do mine with a barbell to get around that issue.

[simclaire1]

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[iDarren]

This question comes down to individual bone structure I believe. Those with straight clavices have a naturally good platform for pressing and often are able to get very good shoulder development from shoulder presses.

That makes sense then as I have fairly straight clavicles, and I am sure I am getting width improvements on just the Overhead Press.

Though doing both presses and laterals are needed for optimal gains in most people.

I like the idea of finishing myself of with these (laterals), when I am fairly exausted, with light weights. An injury stopped me doing them, but I am getting back into them as of now.

[iDarren]

hmmm

DD, what do you think of Side press ??

What's the side press?

[deepaksikkan]

dumbell press has worked wonders for me .

[iDarren]

If you do the overhead press with elbows to the sides it can, but often they tend to travel to the front. I guess this is one risk avoided doing it behind the neck, even if it is awkward.

Yes, this makes sense to me based on how I do it (elbows to the sides) and the results I experience. It can be awkward, but if I use modest poundage and keep good form there is no awkwardness.

[LC_]

I've found lateral and front dumbell raises to be more effective than the overhead barbell press because in the latter, my triceps are the weak link and tend to give out before my delts are fully "smoked".

Raises isolate the delts and allow full fatigue. I like to do super sets with 8 lateral raises 8 front raises and 8 rear raises done in rapid succession followed immediately by dumbell presses which now work better given my delts are prefatigued.

[matt1001]

This question comes down to individual bone structure I believe. Those with straight clavices have a naturally good platform for pressing and often are able to get very good shoulder development from shoulder presses. Though doing both presses and laterals are needed for optimal gains in most people.

As for those with a curved clavicle they usually have to focus on iso's(laterals) to build up their delts. Sloped shoulders are just not a good platform for pressing and the medial delts just don't seem to be wired in as much during presses for guys with this type of bonestructure in my opinion.

this might be a really dumb question but how do i tell which one i have?

[iDarren]

this might be a really dumb question but how do i tell which one i have?

Stand in front of a miror and look at yourself, if the line across your shoulders from left to right side is straight (even/level) then they are straight. If not then you have some degree of curve.

[hjayss]

the overhead press is more specific for the anterior(front) delt. the medial and posterior heads are involved as well, just to a lesser extent.

I prefer lateral raises to more specifically target the medial head.

This question comes down to individual bone structure I believe. Those with straight clavices have a naturally good platform for pressing and often are able to get very good shoulder development from shoulder presses. Though doing both presses and laterals are needed for optimal gains in most people.

As for those with a curved clavicle they usually have to focus on iso's(laterals) to build up their delts. Sloped shoulders are just not a good platform for pressing and the medial delts just don't seem to be wired in as much during presses for guys with this type of bonestructure in my opinion.

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You must have done it right you brought out the vets on this matter...
Not to many presses hit the outter head but one I like is the arnold press really hits all three heads gotta keep the weight low to not risk injury ...other than that I love the seated military press hits both front and back of the shoulder girdle....

[redsox03]

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