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    In Islam, is one allowed to shave/trim their chest hair?

    Pretty foward question really, I grow some hair on my chest, some on my shoulders and some on my traps, I would like to shave/trim it off but I've heard you're not allowed to cut anywhere except for your head and pubic regions.
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    hm... you might go to hell for shaving your chest...go for it.
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    No you can cut it.

    You HAVE to shave your pubic regions, which consists of, under your arm pits, genital region and anus.

    Everywhere else is upto you, although there are only certain styles of hair you can have, it is best to aspire to look like the prophet Muhammed as much as possible.
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    Originally Posted by nForce
    No you can cut it.

    You HAVE to shave your pubic regions, which consists of, under your arm pits, genital region and anus.

    Everywhere else is upto you, although there are only certain styles of hair you can have, it is best to aspire to look like the prophet Muhammed as much as possible.
    That's like saying that christians should aspire to look like Jesus. But I'm not about to grow my hair out, get a beard, and wear a robe and sandals.
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    Christians should aspire to look and be a pias as there prophet, why not?

    If you don't want to do that then don't... . I don't see the point of your post.
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    Originally Posted by nForce
    No you can cut it.

    You HAVE to shave your pubic regions, which consists of, under your arm pits, genital region and anus.

    Everywhere else is upto you, although there are only certain styles of hair you can have, it is best to aspire to look like the prophet Muhammed as much as possible.
    no way....
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    Originally Posted by nForce
    No you can cut it.

    You HAVE to shave your pubic regions, which consists of, under your arm pits, genital region and anus.

    Everywhere else is upto you, although there are only certain styles of hair you can have, it is best to aspire to look like the prophet Muhammed as much as possible.
    Excellent answer, it is disliked but permissible for a man to remove natural hair on the body (except for the portions you mentioned where it is mandatory).
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    Excellent answer, it is disliked but permissible for a man to remove natural hair on the body (except for the portions you mentioned where it is mandatory).
    wait so thats true? You have to shave your pits, pubes, and ass?
    I don't have a tuxedo that fits anymore because my chest and my biceps are too big.
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    Originally Posted by drewkowsky
    wait so thats true? You have to shave your pits, pubes, and ass?
    You don't have to shave, you can clip, trim, cut, as long as they are shortened often. The same is true about finger and toe nails.

    Hygiene in Islam is critical, and that's why God asks Muslims to take care of their bodies in this way.

    Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    You don't have to shave, you can clip, trim, cut, as long as they are shortened often. The same is true about finger and toe nails.

    Hygiene in Islam is critical, and that's why God asks Muslims to take care of their bodies in this way.

    Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.
    isn't that why pork is not eaten by muslims, because its "supposedly" a dirty animal (when they're actually relatively clean and smart).
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    ....Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.
    Wow....
    [QUOTE=belaglazov]...Glucose is the last thing a muscle would want to use.[/QUOTE]
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    You don't have to shave, you can clip, trim, cut, as long as they are shortened often. The same is true about finger and toe nails.

    Hygiene in Islam is critical, and that's why God asks Muslims to take care of their bodies in this way.

    Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.

    May I then assume that women must abide by this as well?










    p.s.-are women allowed to cut their hair short? (Like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens length)...................'bout shoulder length.
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    Originally Posted by TNCEKM
    isn't that why pork is not eaten by muslims, because its "supposedly" a dirty animal (when they're actually relatively clean and smart).
    Well, that actually is not the reason why. The reason is because God forbade the flesh of swine for consumption, and other substances are also impermissible to eat.

    For example, if you soaped down a piece of pig meat, boiled, cooked it, did whatever you wanted to sterilize it, it's still a major sin to consume it. It has nothing to do with the nature of the animal itself or how clean the piece of meat is.
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    Originally Posted by RU4A69
    May I then assume that women must abide by this as well?
    Yes

    p.s.-are women allowed to cut their hair short? (Like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens length)...................'bout shoulder length.
    A woman's hair is unique, actually, because it is part of her adornment and considered part of her femininity. She should avoid any hair styles that make her look masculine as it is a sin for men to imitate women and women to imitate men in looks and behavior.

    So while for a man, it is recommended that he either shave his head or grow his hair shoulder-length as these conditions were those of the Prophet's (pbuh) hair, a woman is recommended to grow her hair long.
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    You don't have to shave, you can clip, trim, cut, as long as they are shortened often. The same is true about finger and toe nails.

    Hygiene in Islam is critical, and that's why God asks Muslims to take care of their bodies in this way.

    Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.
    I'm curious... What about sickness... Like say you have a hacky phlegmy cough, and runny nose... Do these also count?

    I guess how in general does Islam look at illness etc...

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    Also is it hygiene or is it more about purity of body, which would include things like not smoking or drinking etc...

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    I like the informative nature of this thread.
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    You don't have to shave, you can clip, trim, cut, as long as they are shortened often. The same is true about finger and toe nails.

    Hygiene in Islam is critical, and that's why God asks Muslims to take care of their bodies in this way.

    Muslims also have to be extremely careful when it comes to urine or feces for example, even a drop on the body or clothes will invalidate prayers.
    Wow, I never knew that. Doesn't all the trimming seem somewhat superflous living in a first world country with all of our hygiene products?
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    Originally Posted by Nainoa
    I'm curious... What about sickness... Like say you have a hacky phlegmy cough, and runny nose... Do these also count?

    I guess how in general does Islam look at illness etc...

    ***
    Also is it hygiene or is it more about purity of body, which would include things like not smoking or drinking etc...

    ***
    I like the informative nature of this thread.
    Phlegm in Islam is not an impure substance, however, when you perform ablution (where you clean yourself before prayer) one of the integrals is that you must inhale water into your nostrils then exhale out any phlegm inside, and clear the nose.

    In addition, you have to gargle and clean your mouth, and also your teeth, as this is the passage way through which the Word of God will be recited.

    Perfume is also highly recommended, and wearing your best clothing, since you are presenting yourself to God in prayer.

    See: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=2809

    So God has specifically outlined what hygiene means and what things we should do to keep our bodies clean. But it isn't just about cleanliness, for example, you can be VERY clean, but you still have to perform ablution before you pray, which is the cleansing and washing shown below:

    http://english.islamway.com/flashpag...=782&hight=438

    As for smoking and drinking, these are not permissible, and alcohol itself is an impure substance which you would have to wash from your body and reperform ablution after coming in contact with it.

    So we should be clear on the fact that we're not talking about a vague concept of "purity". God is clear on what is pure and impure, and how we should clean ourselves, and the steps we have to take. It's not us who decide what being "clean enough" is, it's God.
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    Originally Posted by drewkowsky
    Wow, I never knew that. Doesn't all the trimming seem somewhat superflous living in a first world country with all of our hygiene products?
    But remember that the whole point of God revealing knowledge to us is that it directly addresses unchanging human needs and conditions. God created man, and knows the future, and knows exactly what will happen until the Day of Judgment, so nothing that He revealed 1400 years ago will become "unnecessary" because He has taken everything into account when He revealed it in the first place.

    This is a pitfall among many people who abandon religion based on how long ago it was revealed. They don't really estimate WHO has revealed it. Thus, they disbelieve in God and His intimate knowledge of man and the universe.

    They also had perfume and water 1400 years ago, but God still commanded Muslims to trim their hair. It eliminates body odor and makes it easier to clean that region from filth. If men are going to pick and choose what they want to keep in God's law, they would change His law a week after it was revealed in the name of "modernity" and "oh we don't need that anymore".

    Muslims don't change anything in what God reveals, and only in adhering fully to God's Word will they find success.
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    "God created man, and knows the future, and knows exactly what will happen until the Day of Judgment"


    that's great news, now I dont have to take any responsibilty for my life since its already foretold. Free will and pre determined destiny conflict eachother directly.
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    I would certainly agree that our spiritual needs are unchanging, and I can certainly recognize the trepidations of "updating" religion. I would say however the advent of certain leap forwards in technology might make an arguement for updating rituals. Of course God recognizes what our future will be, but if he told a prophet to make sure that noone ever drives their cars over 65, it wouldn't make sense for him to do that.
    However, I do realize the only reason I even argue this is because shaving all of those parts doesn't seem masculine in our culture.
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    Great set of posts, Syriankid. I've never really known much detail about this area of Islam before now. This little bit of insight is pretty cool.
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    Originally Posted by drewkowsky
    However, I do realize the only reason I even argue this is because shaving all of those parts doesn't seem masculine in our culture.
    but all the metrosexuals are doing it!
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    Originally Posted by KrushR
    but all the metrosexuals are doing it!
    Exactly my point!!!
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    So why did God give us hair in those places in the first place?
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    Originally Posted by honeybbqgrundle
    So why did God give us hair in those places in the first place?
    Dont cut your hair, dont trim your beard, dont trim your toe or finger nails then. Its a duty on you to be clean, Allah is pure and He only accepts what is pure.

    The wisdom behind removing, armpit hair, pubic hair, nail trimming, bathing, perfuming etc.. is apparent cleanliness. This is what we as human beings understand. Scholars have said removing pubic hair in particular is recommended because it prevents filth from getting stuck there etc. As SK mentioned having filth on you during prayer, invalidates it. It is also a sunnah of our Prophet (pbuh). Its recommended to trim every 7-15 days, at the latest 40 days.

    However as SK mentioned, it is disliked, but not sinful for men to shave their chest or leg hair.
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    Originally Posted by momod
    "God created man, and knows the future, and knows exactly what will happen until the Day of Judgment"


    that's great news, now I dont have to take any responsibilty for my life since its already foretold. Free will and pre determined destiny conflict eachother directly.
    God knows, but you don't, which is exactly why you are accountable for your faith and actions. Your ignorance of your own destiny forces you to actively determine it, but you will not be able to escape what is decreed for you by God, you will only realize that it is exactly what you purposely sowed with your willful intentions.

    Originally Posted by drewkowsky
    I would certainly agree that our spiritual needs are unchanging, and I can certainly recognize the trepidations of "updating" religion. I would say however the advent of certain leap forwards in technology might make an arguement for updating rituals. Of course God recognizes what our future will be, but if he told a prophet to make sure that noone ever drives their cars over 65, it wouldn't make sense for him to do that.
    I can't think of a single example where a change in technology would require a change in an integral of a religious rite.


    However, I do realize the only reason I even argue this is because shaving all of those parts doesn't seem masculine in our culture.
    Cultural practices and norms change all the time, and they are determined by men and geography, so they are relative. We only really care about them because of vanity and love of this world and self-worth. Divine values are not, of course, and that's the standard we will be graded by on the Day of Judgment.
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    Originally Posted by honeybbqgrundle
    So why did God give us hair in those places in the first place?
    Because some of us will follow God's laws with regard to our body while others will arrogantly disdain from them, belittling God's laws.

    In this way will men be sorted in ranks on the Day of Judgment.
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    Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
    But remember that the whole point of God revealing knowledge to us is that it directly addresses unchanging human needs and conditions. God created man, and knows the future, and knows exactly what will happen until the Day of Judgment, so nothing that He revealed 1400 years ago will become "unnecessary" because He has taken everything into account when He revealed it in the first place.

    This is a pitfall among many people who abandon religion based on how long ago it was revealed. They don't really estimate WHO has revealed it. Thus, they disbelieve in God and His intimate knowledge of man and the universe.

    They also had perfume and water 1400 years ago, but God still commanded Muslims to trim their hair. It eliminates body odor and makes it easier to clean that region from filth. If men are going to pick and choose what they want to keep in God's law, they would change His law a week after it was revealed in the name of "modernity" and "oh we don't need that anymore".

    Muslims don't change anything in what God reveals, and only in adhering fully to God's Word will they find success.
    If god didn't want humans to have pubic hair, wouldn't he just have created humans without such accessory?
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    God doesn't want us to commit sins, but he still gives us that choice.

    Same with shaving your pubic regions, cutting your fingernails and basic hygeine. If our fingernails didn't grow nor did we have pubic hair, then indeed we would already be in paradise.

    You can choose either a path of truth and purity or a path of misguidance. What would be the point of being here if God had already removed all things that could cause us to sin?
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja
    If god didn't want humans to have pubic hair, wouldn't he just have created humans without such accessory?
    That's what I was going to ask. If people are supposed to keep their finger nails trimmed, then why did he allow them to grow in the first place? Our fingers don't need to be trimmed or anything, so why fingernails?

    Crazy religion.
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