Next Step...

[FittGrrl27]

I am looking for any and all advice because Im ready to take the next step when it comes to my bodybuilding.

Ive gotten to the point where I am too big (way too big) for Figure, and too small for bodybuilding, BUT my passion and the physique I am chasing is a nice bodybuilding physique (think Britt Miller or Cindy Phillips) www.brittmiller.com OR www.cindyphillips.net
As you all know Ive used drugs before, including Anavar, Winny, EQ and Primo. Ive had the best results from Winny, but in order to keep getting results from it, Id have to increase my dose significantly. Ive been considering using something else, like the next step above these mild drugs, without heading into the land of no return. I will NOT use Test EVER, but Im looking for something that is relatively mild, low to moderate androgenicity etc - so far what Ive found is Deca...

Can anyone shed some light on this? For the women- have you had any experience with drugs other than what Ive listed? For the men- do you know of any fbb's who have used other drugs? Basically Id like to gain more size while maintaining my femininity... I think I might be a little over-sensitive to AAS- I get pretty much every side... except voice changes (but my hair grows like a weed, I get a bit of acne, oily skin... oh and I put on muscle like its no body's business LOL)

I appreciate any advice or articles I could take a look at

Thanks!!!

[bubba289]

what about turanabol? deca is a good option too i guess, thing is, its a long ester so if u run into sides u might be stuck with em. NPP would be a smarter option if u have access to it. i know there are charts somewhere that shows the anabolic/androgenic ratio's to every drug but i'm not sure where one is.

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by bubba289

what about turanabol? deca is a good option too i guess, thing is, its a long ester so if u run into sides u might be stuck with em. NPP would be a smarter option if u have access to it. i know there are charts somewhere that shows the anabolic/androgenic ratio's to every drug but i'm not sure where one is.

Thanks- Ive been searching for those damn charts too!!! Cant find them... Ill look up Turanabol and NPP... I wondered about Deca and sides

Thanks for the input!!!

[Vadim Beliaev]

Deca won't be any different than what you've currently tried. I hate to be saying this but if youre really trying to take it to the next level, you need Test. Its not as bad as you portray it, many girls i know did pretty well on 50 mg propionate once or twice a week, no real sides to be noticed. And if something you dont like starts to happen, its easy to get off the prop quickly.
I cant really think of anything less androgenic though that would give you effects you want.

Edit: just thought of something, you may want to try Andriol (test undecanoate in caps), its fairly useless when used by men, but it just might be on par when used by women, without the androgenic sides. Start off with something like 3-4 caps a day in regular intervals, and see where that takes you. (no thats not 160 mg of test/day , because the absorption rate is much lower, not to mention 2 hour half life).

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

Deca won't be any different than what you've currently tried. I hate to be saying this but if youre really trying to take it to the next level, you need Test. Its not as bad as you portray it, many girls i know did pretty well on 50 mg propionate once or twice a week, no real sides to be noticed. And if something you dont like starts to happen, its easy to get off the prop quickly.
I cant really think of anything less androgenic though that would give you effects you want.

Edit: just thought of something, you may want to try Andriol (test undecanoate in caps), its fairly useless when used by men, but it just might be on par when used by women, without the androgenic sides. Start off with something like 3-4 caps a day in regular intervals, and see where that takes you. (no thats not 160 mg of test/day , because the absorption rate is much lower, not to mention 2 hour half life).

Hi Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it, but Im just not willing to take Test... The likelihood that it will change my voice is much higher than using NPP. Ive spoken to several competitive FBB's who recommended NPP with either Winny or EQ and GH. Im going to try that combination and see what results I get. I know an FBB who used Test (Prop and Fina) and she has been clean for a few years and STILL suffers from coarse hair on her face, and a lowered voice. I want to be safe and smart about my use and not have any regrets- I would rather stay small with NPP than get big (and masculine) with Test

Thank you tho! I do appreciate it

[Vadim Beliaev]

Maybe look into peptides more, something like an IGF/MGF/slin stack, with EQ or NPP for the AAS component.
Oh and give d-bol a try, its just as androgenic as EQ, meaning if you used that you shouldnt have any problems with dbol.

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by FittGrrl27

I am looking for any and all advice because Im ready to take the next step when it comes to my bodybuilding.

Ive gotten to the point where I am too big (way too big) for Figure, and too small for bodybuilding, BUT my passion and the physique I am chasing is a nice bodybuilding physique (think Britt Miller or Cindy Phillips) www.brittmiller.com OR www.cindyphillips.net
As you all know Ive used drugs before, including Anavar, Winny, EQ and Primo. Ive had the best results from Winny, but in order to keep getting results from it, Id have to increase my dose significantly. Ive been considering using something else, like the next step above these mild drugs, without heading into the land of no return. I will NOT use Test EVER, but Im looking for something that is relatively mild, low to moderate androgenicity etc - so far what Ive found is Deca...

Can anyone shed some light on this? For the women- have you had any experience with drugs other than what Ive listed? For the men- do you know of any fbb's who have used other drugs? Basically Id like to gain more size while maintaining my femininity... I think I might be a little over-sensitive to AAS- I get pretty much every side... except voice changes (but my hair grows like a weed, I get a bit of acne, oily skin... oh and I put on muscle like its no body's business LOL)

I appreciate any advice or articles I could take a look at

Thanks!!!

HGH for sure - 1-2iu per day and possibly Trenbolone, although Tren is highly androgenic.

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by Npeart

HGH for sure - 1-2iu per day and possibly Trenbolone, although Tren is highly androgenic.

Thanks- Im using 2IU of GH every day Not touching Tren

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

Maybe look into peptides more, something like an IGF/MGF/slin stack, with EQ or NPP for the AAS component.
Oh and give d-bol a try, its just as androgenic as EQ, meaning if you used that you shouldnt have any problems with dbol.

Thank you Im going to start NPP and IGF-1 shortly... Didnt know D-bol was as androgenic as EQ, Ill look into that

[mavrick77]

Most women I have seen use deca, even in low doses have had some sides...but still very attractive. most have experienced the deep voice, or the enlarged clit.... I think there are 2 routes you could go... if you wanna do deca, do nandrolone phenylpropinate (durabolin)..its only in your system about a week, if that. so if something does go wrong, it will be out soon. I have seen many females use 25mg of test p. 2x per week with GREAT results and no to very little sides. hope this helps..

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by mavrick77

Most women I have seen use deca, even in low doses have had some sides...but still very attractive. most have experienced the deep voice, or the enlarged clit.... I think there are 2 routes you could go... if you wanna do deca, do nandrolone phenylpropinate (durabolin)..its only in your system about a week, if that. so if something does go wrong, it will be out soon. I have seen many females use 25mg of test p. 2x per week with GREAT results and no to very little sides. hope this helps..

Thank you- as per the advice of others on here, I started a run of NPP a few weeks ago My strength has gone up and I havent experienced any sides yet (my skin is a touch oilier and Im a bit moodier aka bitchier) but so far so good. Im running 150mg per week... seems to be fine for me (altho I would think this dose to be a little high for some women).

I dont want to touch test... Im not willing to sacrifice my looks to speed up gains, when I know I can get to where I want to be without it

[sandra D]

You're totally on the right track... and stick to your guns on the Test!!

Good Luck with your journey!

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by sandra D

You're totally on the right track... and stick to your guns on the Test!!

Good Luck with your journey!

Thank you so much!

I would NEVER touch Test, no matter what... my beauty and femininity are way more important than any amount of muscle

[Vadim Beliaev]

And you have plenty of both .

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

And you have plenty of both .

Thank you! Awww

[bdiesel]

do not use test!!! ever! you have a great and rare combination of muscularity while maintaining your feminine features. what you have been doing works great. i honestly have never been taken back by a female with muscle as i was a few minutes ago when i skimmed your bodyspace. there's not 1 pic in your progress photo's where you do not look great be it muscle tone/size or looks. if i were to see you in person i owuld be speechless - and that's a hard thing to render me.

any way...... many of the women i have dealt with stand by eq and use it 2-3x a week at pretty low doses (100-200mg weekly) and report increases in hunger and vascularity. and sex drive, fwiw. good luck.

[FittGrrl27]

Originally Posted by bdiesel

do not use test!!! ever! you have a great and rare combination of muscularity while maintaining your feminine features. what you have been doing works great. i honestly have never been taken back by a female with muscle as i was a few minutes ago when i skimmed your bodyspace. there's not 1 pic in your progress photo's where you do not look great be it muscle tone/size or looks. if i were to see you in person i owuld be speechless - and that's a hard thing to render me.

any way...... many of the women i have dealt with stand by eq and use it 2-3x a week at pretty low doses (100-200mg weekly) and report increases in hunger and vascularity. and sex drive, fwiw. good luck.

Hi! Thank you! Your post means a lot to me, its really nice to read that you are that impressed with my physique! To hear that you would be speechless if you saw me in real life means more to me than you know! Puts a smile on my face, thats for sure

I would never use test, no matter what happens, or where my bbing journey leads me- its just not something Im even willing to ever consider b/c I know the side effects would be terrible and irreversible AND I am in no rush to get there... I know that with minimal drugs and a solid diet/workout regime I can get the results I want!

Right now Im just using NPP- at 140mg per week, I was just told by a good friend who saw me in the gym (and knows about my use/progress etc) to slow it down b/c my results are coming quickly and he doesnt want me to ruin my physique. So Im going to decrease to 120mg or 100mg and see what happens I am hungrier, def more vascular, way stronger, with minimal sides- I really like this drug and will stick with it.

Thanks so much for your post, I appreciate it!