best feeling shoulder excersizes are bad for you?

[JTBull]

you always hear about how bad for your joints behind-the-neck militarys and upright rows are

yet i feel there some of the best feeling excersizes and i hate having to stay away from them...

maybe different genetics make them OK for some people?
measuring them by immediate discomfort, upright rows and behind the neck presses both feel solid when i do them, yet lateral raises which are accepted, cause me immediate joint pain even at low weight.

right now my shoulders are limited to shoulder presses and i want to add another excersize, my push routine consist of 3 chest excersizes, 2 triceps and only 1 shoulder iso.

[aqua-beowulf]

Keep upright rows to no higher than nipple level, and btn military presses to no lower than ear level, and you'll be fine in my opinion. I kind of have the same problem with lateral raises. My shoulders pops and creaks, no matter how light I go. Not really any pain involved, but they just feel awkward. I have less problems with lying laterals on an incline. They are more for the rear delts with less emphasis on the side, but still work pretty well.

[Bad Dog]

Please don't take this wrong but if you want to do exercises that have been proven to wreck the shoulders then do so.

There are many of us out here that have and had shoulder problems and we trace them directly to behind the neck presses..

I am not saying you should not do them I am saying that if you do them you might have shoulder problems in the FUTURE that you might have avoided.

As far as thinking you might be genetically predisposed to not having problems with behind the neck presses I can only say it happens in increments. So what was not worn out yesterday can be worn out tomorrow..

Like most games Bodybuilding is a thinking persons game so if you want to learn to play it well you adapt and take what you need and leave the rest.

Now someone can step forward and tell you that a behind the neck press becomes a safe front press in about ten inches so there is no need to do them but I am not gonna do that..
To hell I ain't..It becomes a front press in about ten inches..

[tiny.t]

Do whats comfortable for you.I do btns all the way down,i used to not be able to without a bit of pain but now i love them and see them as the only thing thats gunna get me wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiide.

[Ka$h]

i was always curious about this. IF you train the rotator cuff 3x a week, would it be ok to do BNT presses?

[$AJ]

btn is safe if you have shoulder girdle flexibility

upright row does not allow sufficient space for the greater tubercle to clear the acromium. and unless you're a mutant with bone/ligament/muscle structure/attachment different than everybody else on earth, that holds to you.

[SDFlip]

btn is safe if you have shoulder girdle flexibility
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i just thought of something - i used to do behind the neck presses and pulldowns a long time ago and had no problem. i stopped doing them because i heard they would wreck your shoulders. now i try to do them and can't.

it's possible that doing behing the neck movements actually increase shoulder girdle flexibility. am i on to something? or no?

[DiamondDelts]

i just thought of something - i used to do behind the neck presses and pulldowns a long time ago and had no problem. i stopped doing them because i heard they would wreck your shoulders. now i try to do them and can't.

it's possible that doing behing the neck movements actually increase shoulder girdle flexibility. am i on to something? or no?

Yep, I believe they do. Cause I know I got some SERIOUS flexibility in my shoulders now, that I never had before do behind the neck movements. I also personally feel they are better for building width.

[ExtremistPullup]

an Iron Cross will hurt your shoulders

[$AJ]

i just thought of something - i used to do behind the neck presses and pulldowns a long time ago and had no problem. i stopped doing them because i heard they would wreck your shoulders. now i try to do them and can't.

it's possible that doing behing the neck movements actually increase shoulder girdle flexibility. am i on to something? or no?

that's what shoulder girdle flexibility involves - doing the movement lightly, then gradually working up. it's dangerous when tards throw up 200pds on their first attempt because that's what they military press and don't want to take it lightly.

i'm not suprised you can't do it anymore; flexibility is like anything - you don't use it, you lose it.

[DiamondDelts]

that's what shoulder girdle flexibility involves - doing the movement lightly, then gradually working up. it's dangerous when tards throw up 200pds on their first attempt because that's what they military press and don't want to take it lightly.

i'm not suprised you can't do it anymore; flexibility is like anything - you don't use it, you lose it.

I hate to admit it. But I agree with AJ on this one. But don't get used to this. Because you will always be my exercise theory nemesis.

[MrSinister]

what exactly is the reason an upright row is dangerous to your shoulders?

[$AJ]

I hate to admit it. But I agree with AJ on this one. But don't get used to this. Because you will always be my exercise theory nemesis.

time + food

oh, wait, i thought somebody was asking a quesiton there

[DiamondDelts]

what exactly is the reason an upright row is dangerous to your shoulders?

Aj's shoulder impingement radar should be beeping off the charts right now.

[SDFlip]

what exactly is the reason an upright row is dangerous to your shoulders?

something about impingment and something about sufficient space between the tubercle...... i dont know.

[MrSinister]

something about impingment and something about sufficient space between the tubercle...... i dont know.

yeah ive heard it, and stopped them myself for this reason, cant say i ever personally felt any pain or discomfort tho.... maybe there is a safe way to do them tho, grip wise???

[JTBull]

agreed upright rows feel awsome when i do them
i go up to chin and hold close grip on a EZ bar
feels strange on the wrist butshoulder burn and feel great

guess ill forget them

lets discuss the advatages of these excersizes now to figure if there even worth it

exactly what parts of the shoulders do uprights and BTN work over regular militaries or dumbell presses?

[$AJ]

what exactly is the reason an upright row is dangerous to your shoulders?

read a few posts up

[JTBull]

bump

what prts of the sholders do each of these excersizes focus on?

do upright rows and BTN presses work different muscles then regular shoulder presses?

[Skwidward]

btn is safe if you have shoulder girdle flexibility

upright row does not allow sufficient space for the greater tubercle to clear the acromium. and unless you're a mutant with bone/ligament/muscle structure/attachment different than everybody else on earth, that holds to you.

Greater tubercle of....?

[W8isGR8]

Greater tubercle of....?

The acromion process, or simply the acromion, is an anatomical feature on the scapula.
It is a continuation of the scapular spine, and hooks over anteriorly. The acromion articulates with the clavicle to form the acromioclavicular joint which is a part of the shoulder joint.

[W8isGR8]

Couldn't you just do BTN presses on the Smith machine. That way you wouldn't have to worry about balancing the weight.

[Skwidward]

The acromion process, or simply the acromion, is an anatomical feature on the scapula.
It is a continuation of the scapular spine, and hooks over anteriorly. The acromion articulates with the clavicle to form the acromioclavicular joint which is a part of the shoulder joint.

Well, I'll give you an A for your description of the AC joint, but I think $AJ was on about the greater tubercle of the humerus; as this is the only bone in that area I can think of with a greater tubercle. I just wanted to check if that is what he was talking about, as I was trying to imagine the movement of the upright row and how the proximal end of the humerus would move in relation to the acromion. I was having a hard time picturing how the greater tubercle of the humerus would need to clear the acromion.

I'm not trying to be a smart-arse. I believe $AJ has superior physiological (and injuryological ) knowledge than myself when it comes to bbing.