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    What on earth is a powerbuilder?!

    Powerlifting: sport
    Bodybuilding: beauty pageant (but at least its still competition)
    Powerbuilding: gymrat. In it for the chicks?

    I see this 'powerbuilder' term thrown around all the time. However I don't see any 'powerbuilding' competitions? My understanding is that powerbuilders are 'doing it for themselves' whatever that means. Getting stronger or looking bigger are a means to an end, not a reason in themselves.

    'Powerbuilders'.... please enlighten me.
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    a powerbuilder is someone who trains for strength and looks..

    pretty simple
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    Originally Posted by dirtpool View Post
    a powerbuilder is someone who trains for strength and looks..

    pretty simple
    For what reason are they training for strength and looks?
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    For what reason are they training for strength and looks?
    ummm' I don't know

    probably strength for function and looks for getting laid
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    Originally Posted by dirtpool View Post
    ummm' I don't know

    probably strength for function and looks for getting laid
    Yeah thats I thought. So basically its like the new lingo for 'gymrat' then.
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    Going to the gym can't be a hobby in the same way that so many other things are?

    It's more healthy and yields results on your most valuable asset, your body.
    I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by conscious endeavor. -- Thoreau
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    My understanding is that powerbuilders are 'doing it for themselves' whatever that means.
    What could you possibly have against someone doing it for themself? Your whole attitude with this thread has lost me...
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Powerlifting: sport
    Bodybuilding: beauty pageant (but at least its still competition)
    Powerbuilding: gymrat. In it for the chicks?

    I see this 'powerbuilder' term thrown around all the time. However I don't see any 'powerbuilding' competitions? My understanding is that powerbuilders are 'doing it for themselves' whatever that means. Getting stronger or looking bigger are a means to an end, not a reason in themselves.

    'Powerbuilders'.... please enlighten me.
    I think it was a term coined by that Doggcrapp dude Dante Bautista who has his ring of cronies over at intense muscle dot com. You basically say "hey i'm a bodybuilder", then train with getting stronger as your primary goal, live by your log book, eat like a t-rex, and consume 3 dog turds at every meal.
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    Whats the point in watching TV, going to a movie, hanging out with a friend all of them dont result in a "winner" so I suppose they are useless activities.

    /end sarcasm.

    Get real buddy, maybe they ENJOY going to the gym? Maybe they dont need a award given to them for self satisfaction.
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    Have to say i am a powerbuilder(or will be when i can bulk) working out is just fun . Who doesn't like pushing themselves to exhaustion for sheer satisfaction.
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    Originally Posted by SolidSteel86 View Post
    Going to the gym can't be a hobby in the same way that so many other things are?

    It's more healthy and yields results on your most valuable asset, your body.
    Originally Posted by Hat View Post
    What could you possibly have against someone doing it for themself? Your whole attitude with this thread has lost me...
    Originally Posted by WowWeakForum View Post
    I think it was a term coined by that Doggcrapp dude Dante Bautista who has his ring of cronies over at intense muscle dot com. You basically say "hey i'm a bodybuilder", then train with getting stronger as your primary goal, live by your log book, eat like a t-rex, and consume 3 dog turds at every meal.
    Originally Posted by Dukus View Post
    Whats the point in watching TV, going to a movie, hanging out with a friend all of them dont result in a "winner" so I suppose they are useless activities.

    /end sarcasm.

    Get real buddy, maybe they ENJOY going to the gym? Maybe they dont need a award given to them for self satisfaction.
    I didn't mean to come across with any kind of attitude.

    I also never said there was anything wrong with trying to look bigger or get stronger seemingly for no reason, although that may have been inferred with how I appeared to be coming across.

    The reason I made this thread is because from my point of view if you aren't training for a good reason (i.e. a sport) then I don't see how someone could keep up lifting for a long period of time (say 5+ years). When your feeling beat to crap, bored with your training and diet or injured the 'lifting for enjoyment' excuse won't convince yourself to keep going. Lifting for chicks won't keep someone motivated for years to come. Likewise, lifting for strength with no reason to apply that strength won't keep you motivated in the future.
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    I didn't mean to come across with any kind of attitude.

    I also never said there was anything wrong with trying to look bigger or get stronger seemingly for no reason, although that may have been inferred with how I appeared to be coming across.

    The reason I made this thread is because from my point of view if you aren't training for a good reason (i.e. a sport) then I don't see how someone could keep up lifting for a long period of time (say 5+ years). When your feeling beat to crap, bored with your training and diet or injured the 'lifting for enjoyment' excuse won't convince yourself to keep going. Lifting for chicks won't keep someone motivated for years to come. Likewise, lifting for strength with no reason to apply that strength won't keep you motivated in the future.
    There are some 60 year old guys (read: fit, strong 60 year old guys) that workout with the freeweights at the YMCA that I occasioanlly go to. I'm pretty sure they aren't there for a sport.
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    Im a powerbuilder as you call it, Ive been lifting for awhile. I really just find lifting things to be really fun. But at the same time, i dont want to get huge just so I can lift more. I also enjoy the social aspect of the gym, I have lots of friends there.
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    A powerbuilder combines the bodybuilding and powerlifting/strongman styles of training.

    There are a lot of people who train not for a sport. Why they do it is as varied as can be. From health or not being into team sports or just to physically improve themselves or pursue an ideal they have set. Like the old idea about the skinny guy wanting to bulk up and get stronger (like many of us.) and people just love it like any other activity and have a passion and love for what they do and that's the best reason. That will keep you coming back and going year after year to the gym or doing whatever you do for that matter.
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    The reason I made this thread is because from my point of view if you aren't training for a good reason (i.e. a sport) then I don't see how someone could keep up lifting for a long period of time (say 5+ years). When your feeling beat to crap, bored with your training and diet or injured the 'lifting for enjoyment' excuse won't convince yourself to keep going. Lifting for chicks won't keep someone motivated for years to come. Likewise, lifting for strength with no reason to apply that strength won't keep you motivated in the future.
    Let me enlighten you, no hard feelings, I just don't think you've had a lot of exposure. You're assuming that sport is a good reason while internal motivations are not. I assert the opposite. If you need some external force keeping you on course, maybe you don't really love it. Those with internal forces driving them need no such outside prodding.

    All that aside, I am not a powerbuilder, but I am one who simply loves moving heavy weights purely for the fun of it. I get off moving the iron - not the idea that I'm better than someone else at it. Even if there were no benefits such as strength and size and health, I would still lift because it is the lifting itself that I love to do. It's not a means to an end for me, but a means and an end in itself. Hope this makes sense.

    I've been at it more than half my life, 16+ years and have been through the gauntlet of injuries. I personally know competitive lifters who have quit with lesser injuries, never to return to the game. My motivation is greater. At 16 years experence I'm just hitting my stride...
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    I lift for looks for self satisfaction and I want to be absolutely massive and as strong as possible. I dont do competitions but I am absolutely completely dedicated. there is somthing wrong with this?
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    Part bodybuilder + part powerlifter = powerbuilder. I guess i'd classify myself as one because i love bodybuilding and powerlifting as well. Why not have the best of both worlds?
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    As pro Kai greene said you use low rep schemes such as 5-8 to gain mass while using 80%+ of your max and the user above said some one that lifts heavy ass weights and has a bodybuilders build
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    I can only answer for myself:

    I want to improve my appearance to some extent but want to do so in line with what I prefer on my frame or with my bodytype.(not the IFBB, so called natty bbers who always look thin and weak to me, or hardcorzzz juicemonkeys who dont look attractive to me or even 155lbs kids who think they look amazing bc they havezz teh 6 pack...). Personally my tastes run towards the larger framed more powerful builds that just have a masculine power look to them....over say a meterosexual uber lean look...of course that isnt meant as an insult just a matter of taste. I have little to no interest in ever dieting down below 10% bodyfat and may never even approach being that low....I simply dont think the male body looks better at sub 10% plus I couldnt ever diet that rigidly for an extended period of time to attain it with my bulky genetics. So obviously BBing isnt really for me...at least not competitive BBing.

    At the same time I want to get stronger....see improvement in my lifts, and eventually reach a certain level of competence in my lifts so that I feel like im "strong/powerful", but I want to do it my way without regard for equipment and without regard to what someone else is really doing or the technique they use bc then it becomes a game of leverage/lessening ROM and (IMHO) perverting the movements to such a degree that they become almost unrecognizable to a layman----that its basically just putting numbers on a board for numbers sake....which im not interested in.
    (This is basically PLing...which is cool and interesting but just not for me)


    In short I lift to be bigger/stronger and look better.....just like 70-80% of folks you see in an average gym do....and most 14 yr olds do when they pick up their first dumbells.
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    the earlier bodybuilders were powerbuilders ie steve reeves he trained with lots of compound stuff.
    if your not competing, a synthesis makes perfect sense why would you retrict your self from both things which have both benifits and drawbacks when you can just mix them as you see fit.
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    Originally Posted by Hat View Post
    Let me enlighten you, no hard feelings, I just don't think you've had a lot of exposure. You're assuming that sport is a good reason while internal motivations are not. I assert the opposite. If you need some external force keeping you on course, maybe you don't really love it. Those with internal forces driving them need no such outside prodding.

    All that aside, I am not a powerbuilder, but I am one who simply loves moving heavy weights purely for the fun of it. I get off moving the iron - not the idea that I'm better than someone else at it. Even if there were no benefits such as strength and size and health, I would still lift because it is the lifting itself that I love to do. It's not a means to an end for me, but a means and an end in itself. Hope this makes sense.

    I've been at it more than half my life, 16+ years and have been through the gauntlet of injuries. I personally know competitive lifters who have quit with lesser injuries, never to return to the game. My motivation is greater. At 16 years experence I'm just hitting my stride...
    This is a good reply and explains it better than any other I have seen. I lift because I love it as well.. the comps just give me something to focus on. Plus comp day is one of the most fun things one can do.

    However I do think that people such as yourself who can love it year in year out for a long period of time are quite rare.

    Anyway thanks mate.
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    This is a good reply and explains it better than any other I have seen. I lift because I love it as well.. the comps just give me something to focus on. Plus comp day is one of the most fun things one can do.

    However I do think that people such as yourself who can love it year in year out for a long period of time are quite rare.

    Anyway thanks mate.
    I should have added that a lot of people who do use competition usually love it just as much. I was really only giving my analogy to demonstrate how the logic can be used equally validly from both perspectives. I don't really believe you don't love it.

    I think it's great you love competitions. I'm a big fan of competitors in the strength sports. Keep at it!

    There's so many types of people and reasons to do anything. I just like to push the idea of openmindedness towards other ways of doing things whenever the opportunity presents itself. Once a person thinks they know it all and have everything neatly compartmentalized to fit a rigid belief set, they stop learning. There's no way to continually progress in the strength game if you have stopped learning. Everone has something to offer.

    No problem, man, that's what these boards are supposed to be for.
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    powerbuilders can set pr's and flex in mirror. what's wrong with that?
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Powerlifting: sport
    Bodybuilding: beauty pageant (but at least its still competition)
    Powerbuilding: gymrat. In it for the chicks?

    I see this 'powerbuilder' term thrown around all the time. However I don't see any 'powerbuilding' competitions? My understanding is that powerbuilders are 'doing it for themselves' whatever that means. Getting stronger or looking bigger are a means to an end, not a reason in themselves.

    'Powerbuilders'.... please enlighten me.
    Its about feeling strong and looking alpha. I like being alot stronger than I look, but still having a more shapley physique than a straight powerlifter. What keeps me going is the need to be much greater than my fellow man.
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    IMO a powerbuilder is somone who is training for aesthetics, but uses a powerlifting type program to build mass.

    I think a lot of people training for mass have found that conventional bodybuilding programs dont work for them. They have more sucess adding size and strength by using powerlifting lifts in a medium rep range.
    + powerbuilder sounds cool
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    I'm probably in the category. I train purely for personal challenge, to further myself. I associate "gymrat" with "meathead" - I'd rather call myself a training rat - I become obsessive about all types of physical training. I would be lying if I said I don't care about aesthetics - I do. I also care about increasing my numbers in the big lifts, mainly the squat and dead. And trying to maintain a reasonable ability to run and cycle for someone at my weight.

    To me it's the best of all worlds. Every month I'm running faster, squatting more, and maybe looking a bit better in the mirror. If I ever decide to compete in a particular area, well I'm sure the focus will shift to that training.
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    I think the term means either someone who trains for strength and looks, or more generally, someone who does strength training without participating in a strength sport.
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    In case you haven't noticed, most people who go to the gym train entirely to get girls.

    Powerbuilders are the next step up from that, and you can have a meaningful conversation about lifting with them, and they respect good lifts and the work that it takes. I'd basically say a powerbuilder is on a level much higher than your average gymgoer, and probably the most understanding out of all of them, as he/she (read he) has trained from both ends of the spectrum and understands the importance of both in achieving strength/aesthetics.

    A powerbuilder is basically training the way that people should train if they aren't training specifically for a sport.

    That being said, anything more than 5 reps is exhausting, bicep curls are the worst things in the world, and deadlifts make the world go round. (had to get my powerlifter card back)
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Powerlifting: sport
    Bodybuilding: beauty pageant (but at least its still competition)
    Powerbuilding: gymrat. In it for the chicks?

    I see this 'powerbuilder' term thrown around all the time. However I don't see any 'powerbuilding' competitions? My understanding is that powerbuilders are 'doing it for themselves' whatever that means. Getting stronger or looking bigger are a means to an end, not a reason in themselves.

    'Powerbuilders'.... please enlighten me.
    Someone training for size + strength who has no immediate plans to compete in BB or PL.

    I'm not a fan of the term personally but it's an easy way to describe someone with those goals.
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    If you're serious about being in the gym, and you don't waste time, or try to make small talk about stupid crap, I don't care what your motivation is. It's all good with me.
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