Here we go again, Mittrione Suspended over 'Transphobic' comments about Fallon Fox

[Addthefun123123]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-ca...1067--mma.html

Mittrione's comments:

"Because she's not a he. He's a he," he said. "He's chromo****lly a man. He had a gender change, not a sex change. He's still a man. He was a man for 31 years. Thirty-one years. That's a couple years younger than I am. He's a man. Six years of taking performance de-hancing drugs, you think is going to change all that? That's ridiculous.

"That is a lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," Mitrione said. "And I mean that. Because you lied on your license to beat up women. That's disgusting. You should be embarrassed yourself. And the fact that Florida licensed him because California licensed him or whoever the hell did it, it's an embarrassment to us as fighters, as a sport, and we all should protest that. The woman that's fighting him, props to you. I hope you beat his ass, and I hope he gets blackballed and never fights again, because that's disgusting and I'm appalled by that."

UFC's response:

"The UFC was appalled by the transphobic comments made by heavyweight Matt Mitrione today in an interview on 'The MMA Hour.' The organization finds Mr. Mitrione’s comments offensive and wholly unacceptable and - as a direct result of this significant breach of the UFC’s code of conduct – Mr. Mitrione’s UFC contract has been suspended and the incident is being investigated. The UFC is a friend and ally of the LGBT community, and expects and requires all 450 of its athletes to treat others with dignity and respect."

I don't want this thread to be a discussion of whether or not what he said was right. The question should instead be, is the UFC being hypocritical and cherry-picking when they want someone to be in trouble for something they say?

Incidents like

Sonnen discussing Lance Armstrong's PED use as it relates to his cancer
Miguel Torres suspension over rape joke
Dana White's 'assassination... in prison.' rape joke
Ronda Rousey's Sandy Hook tweet
Joe Rogan's similar sentiment as Mittrione to Fallon Fox

Should the UFC be deciding who should get punished and who shouldn't? Or should free speech trump over everything and they shouldn't be punished for expressing their opinions?

Discuss.

[IAmBatman]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-ca...1067--mma.html

Mittrione's comments:



UFC's response:



I don't want this thread to be a discussion of whether or not what he said was right. The question should instead be, is the UFC being hypocritical and cherry-picking when they want someone to be in trouble for something they say?

Incidents like

Sonnen discussing Lance Armstrong's PED use as it relates to his cancer
Miguel Torres suspension over rape joke
Dana White's 'assassination... in prison.' rape joke
Ronda Rousey's Sandy Hook tweet
Joe Rogan's similar sentiment as Mittrione to Fallon Fox

Should the UFC be deciding who should get punished and who shouldn't? Or should free speech trump over everything and they shouldn't be punished for expressing their opinions?

Discuss.

Mittrione is uneducated dick. I are not surprised.

Yes the UFC has every right to suspend any employee for conduct detrimental to the company. I'm one of the greatest proponents for free speech on bb.com and this does not, in any way, limit his freedom of speech. He has not been suppressed by the state. He has been allowed to say what he wanted to say and he has a right to do, he does not have a right or entitlement to work for the UFC. Freedom of speech does not guarantee you an audience or acceptance.

[tudge]

He owned her.

And it's a known fact that Dana is not a big fan of Meathead to begin with.

[DFS200]

People would be singing a different tune if Meathead announced that he was turning into a woman tomorrow and will be making his Invicta debut in a few months. Aside from the sick freak part and the personal attacks (which get people riled up, not saying I disagree) he's 100% right.

[exothermic]

all this political correctness is getting to be a huge joke at this point, mitrione was right & many others have spoke out about it

i mean what so if you dont agree with someones life choice anymore you should just hold it in & just accept whatever crap someone/anybody wants to put onto you?.... give me a break

[Addthefun123123]

Mittrione is uneducated dick. I are not surprised.

Yes the UFC has every right to suspend any employee for conduct detrimental to the company. I'm one of the greatest proponents for free speech on bb.com and this does not, in any way, limit his freedom of speech. He has not been suppressed by the state. He has been allowed to say what he wanted to say and he has a right to do, he does not have a right or entitlement to work for the UFC. Freedom of speech does not guarantee you an audience or acceptance.

Fair point.

But I can't help but to think that if you can't suspend or fire an employee for discrimination, how would this not be considered discriminating against a person's right to free speech? Freedom of speech is essentially synonymous with freedom of religion, and you can't fire or suspend someone for their religion. After all, if he had made an agreeable statement as per the UFC's view, then he wouldn't have been punished.

[IAmBatman]

Fair point.

But I can't help but to think that if you can't suspend or fire an employee for discrimination, how would this not be considered discriminating against a person's right to free speech? Freedom of speech is essentially synonymous with freedom of religion, and you can't fire or suspend someone for their religion. After all, if he had made an agreeable statement as per the UFC's view, then he wouldn't have been punished.

Freedom of speech is not synonymous with freedom of religion.

What happens if he made an agreeable statement is a moot point, he made a disagreeable one. Imagine you started a company and your salesman was in the parking lot denouncing homosexuals to your customers during his break. That is conduct detrimental to your business and you have every right to penalize him as you see fit.

[greg_84]

I don't think "sick freak" was a stab at the trans community... I think he was saying it is sick that a biological man wants to get in a ring and fight women, like someone said, if Mitrione decided he wanted a gender change and started taking estrogen, then start fighting women in a year it would not be right...

[Trapezeus]

Well said Mitrione but it's sad that the UFC suspend him cause I like him.**** u UFC,Mitrione just said what everybody was thinking.

[cheerupemokid]

all this political correctness is getting to be a huge joke at this point, mitrione was right & many others have spoke out about it

i mean what so if you dont agree with someones life choice anymore you should just hold it in & just accept whatever crap someone/anybody wants to put onto you?.... give me a break

Yep. I didn't even know transphobic was a world. That's kind of ridiculous.

Is there a phobic for everything? What is the phobic I would be called for thinking people who tattoo their faces are weird?

Also, I find it more than a little disturbing that what appears to be really offensive is this guys comments and not that a guy who had a sex change and now wants to fight women is offensive. Especially, since in reading those comments the impetus behind his statements seemed to be concern about what would happen to females fighting that person. I think that's a legitimate concern.

[DiamondMaker]

It almost seems like the "UFC" didn't understand what his comment said. It wasn't that he was saying that the sex-change was ****ed up, he was saying it was messed up that the person lied so that he could beat up women, which is not all that far off from a guy wearing a wig or something just so he can fight women.
I'm not sure I totally agree with that or not, but there is clearly a reason why men and women do not fight each other.

Anyway ufc is just covering it's ass since they're becoming more and more mainstream.

[DFS200]

Also UFC is mad because they are inevitably going to sign Fallon Fox. For the love of god somebody kill this division before it lays eggs.

[balllsohard]

i think the suspension is unnecessary but I think dude's a dick for calling heshe out over it.

when you get a sex change you lose the testosterone and **** you undergo hectic hormone therapy and all that.



does that look like a male fighters physique to you? dont really know whats the big deal is.

[Addthefun123123]

Freedom of speech is not synonymous with freedom of religion.

What happens if he made an agreeable statement is a moot point, he made a disagreeable one. Imagine you started a company and your salesman was in the parking lot denouncing homosexuals to your customers during his break. That is conduct detrimental to your business and you have every right to penalize him as you see fit.

Imagine you're a white employee to a white employer in the south during the Jim Crow era and you spoke about how you supported the black civil rights movement and were fired for it.

Is it okay then too?

[ftwrestler]

good he deserves it

[IAmBatman]

Imagine you're a white employee to a white employer in the south during the Jim Crow era and you spoke about how you supported the black civil rights movement and were fired for it.

Is it okay then too?

Never lose track of your place in the grand scheme of things my friend.. we're not on the same level.

If you expected to trap me into supporting, through implication, reprehensible conduct that occurred in the past then you're unfortunately out of luck.

An employee has the right to say what they want within society, although with limitation, without fear of punishment from the state. An employer must only accommodate the rights of an employee to the extent that they do not cause undue hardship, which according to the SCOTUS is the most minimal of costs. If you understand that then you may apply it to whatever example you like but remember that a difference exists between moral and legal rights and obligations.

[John L]

"The UFC was appalled by the transphobic comments made by heavyweight Matt Mitrione today in an interview on 'The MMA Hour.' The organization finds Mr. Mitrione’s comments offensive and wholly unacceptable and - as a direct result of this significant breach of the UFC’s code of conduct – Mr. Mitrione’s UFC contract has been suspended and the incident is being investigated. The UFC is a friend and ally of the LGBT community, and expects and requires all 450 of its athletes to treat others with dignity and respect."

and expects and requires all 450 of its athletes to treat others with dignity and respect."

[IAmBatman]

Well said Mitrione but it's sad that the UFC suspend him cause I like him.**** u UFC,Mitrione just said what everybody was thinking.

Everybody who prefers to embrace their predispositions and not take the time to learn about the subject with which they were forming an opinion.



There's a name for people like that.

[Addthefun123123]

Never lose track of your place in the grand scheme of things my friend.. we're not on the same level.

If you expected to trap me into supporting, through implication, reprehensible conduct that occurred in the past then you're unfortunately out of luck.

An employee has the right to say what they want within society, although with limitation, without fear of punishment from the state. An employer must only accommodate the rights of an employee to the extent that they do not cause undue hardship, which according to the SCOTUS is the most minimal of costs. If you understand that then you may apply it to whatever example you like but remember that a difference exists between moral and legal rights and obligations.

So basically it would be okay to be fired in the situation I stated.

The only reason it was a 'trap' was because you realized there was hypocrisy if you had said that it would not be okay, but if you had said it would be okay, well then you'd be supporting the employer, which, although you supported the employer in the case where their views aligned with your own, you wouldn't support the employer whose views did not align with your own. Unless of course you do support the employer whose views did not align with your view, in which case you're supporting a person's right to fire someone, even if the person being fired was morally correct in their views.

It's a tricky situation, but you have to be consistent across the board, otherwise you're being subjective, and if you're being subjective, well then you leave yourself open to being wrong.

Edit: Oh... and btw... if you were somehow implying that I was beneath you in any way by stating that first sentence, what a classless thing to say.

[IAmBatman]

So basically it would be okay to be fired in the situation I stated.

The only reason it was a 'trap' was because you realized there was hypocrisy if you had said that it would not be okay, but if you had said it would be okay, well then you'd be supporting the employer, which, although you supported the employer in the case where their views aligned with your own, you wouldn't support the employer whose views did not align with your own. Unless of course you do support the employer whose views did not align with your view, in which case you're supporting a person's right to fire someone, even if the person being fired was morally correct in their views.

It's a tricky situation, but you have to be consistent across the board, otherwise you're being subjective.

You're so slow.

The employer has the right to fire anyone that causes undue hardship. That's the only objective portion of this discussion.

Whether the employer agrees with something or something is morally correct is completely subjective. It's not a tricky situation.

[chucksmanhood]

,Mitrione just said what everybody was thinking.

I certainly wasn't thinking what that bell was thinking.

[Addthefun123123]

You're so slow.

The employer has the right to fire anyone that causes undue hardship. That's the only objective portion of this discussion.

Whether the employer agrees with something or something is morally correct is completely subjective. It's not a tricky situation.

Okay, well at least you're consistent.

I'm consistent in the other way.

But the UFC has not been consistent because they haven't been suspending some of the 'bigger named' fighters for their views. On a human level, it's such a dick move to punish one person for doing something and not another for doing the same thing. You can't say that the lesser known fighter is punished because they caused more damage to the company, because surely a more well-known fighter would have a larger audience to voice their opinions to, causing more customers to become aware.

Edit: Oh and btw, you can never discuss anything with me on controversial topics without stooping to name-calling can you? Speaks more to your character than it does mine.

[chucksmanhood]

i think the suspension is unnecessary but I think dude's a dick for calling heshe out over it.

when you get a sex change you lose the testosterone and **** you undergo hectic hormone therapy and all that.



does that look like a male fighters physique to you? dont really know whats the big deal is.

Am I the only one on Bodybuilding.coms MMA forum that would get on the sexytime with Ms. Fox?

[IAmBatman]

Okay, well at least you're consistent.

I'm consistent in the other way.

But the UFC has not been consistent because they haven't been suspending some of the 'bigger named' fighters for their views. On a human level, it's such a dick move to punish one person for doing something and not another for doing the same thing.

The UFC is not obligated to set a precedent. They can act in whichever way they feel is most profitable.

Second, it's not simply stating a view on an issue. Meathead could have easily stated that he disagreed with it and he would have been fine. The complete lack of respect and really what amounts to hate and slander got him in trouble.

[IAmBatman]

Am I the only one on Bodybuilding.coms MMA forum that would get on the sexytime with Ms. Fox?

There's lot of bonuses. No chance of pregnancy, no PMS, had a dick for a long time so most likely knows her way around it better than any girl you're to meet...

[Nicolasl]

i think the suspension is unnecessary but I think dude's a dick for calling heshe out over it.

when you get a sex change you lose the testosterone and **** you undergo hectic hormone therapy and all that.



does that look like a male fighters physique to you? dont really know whats the big deal is.

lol

[Addthefun123123]

The UFC is not obligated to set a precedent. They can act in whichever way they feel is most profitable.

Second, it's not simply stating a view on an issue. Meathead could have easily stated that he disagreed with it and he would have been fine. The complete lack of respect and really what amounts to hate and slander got him in trouble.

If a fighter decides tomorrow that they wanna get their entire face and neck tattooed and someone says that he's disgusting, does that make it hate?


If we're supposed to judge a person by the content of their character, and they're the type of person that decided to do something by choice, such as fighting women when they were born a man... does that not allow us to say that we think that person is disgusting for what they DID and not who they ARE?

Of course it's okay, and that's why it's not hate.

[IAmBatman]

If a fighter decides tomorrow that they wanna get their entire face and neck tattooed and someone says that he's disgusting, does that make it hate?


If we're supposed to judge a person by the content of their character, and they're the type of person that decided to do something by choice, such as fighting women when they were born a man... does that not allow us to say that we think that person is disgusting for what they DID and not who they ARE?

Of course it's okay, and that's why it's not hate.

I don't even know what you're talking about. This is retarded. You are unable to separate your personal opinion from an employer's right.

[Addthefun123123]

I don't even know what you're talking about. This is retarded. You are unable to separate your personal opinion from an employer's right.

It's a very simple concept... we kill the b..

jk lol

No, I just like to point out the hypocrisy in society. 'Judge people for what they do... except if they decided to switch genders and beat up people for a living, then don't judge'

I realize you're probably consistent on employer's rights, so I'm not really arguing against you anymore, just against people that think like above, which apparently the UFC might.

[IAmBatman]

It's a very simple concept... we kill the b..

jk lol

No, I just like to point out the hypocrisy in society. 'Judge people for what they do... except if they decided to switch genders and beat up people for a living, then don't judge'

I realize you're probably consistent on employer's rights, so I'm not really arguing against you anymore, just against people that think like above, which apparently the UFC might.

It's not an issue of simply judging people. Joe Rogan and Kenny Florian have both been dismissive of Fallon Fax and stated they don't agree with it but they weren't punished by the UFC. There's a very blurry line between disagreeing and being hateful.

Had Meathead said the following, "I don't think Fallon Fox should be allowed to fight women, she has an advantage being born as a man and it creates an uneven playing field" there would have been no discipline and no one would have even noticed it.

However, he choose to talk about Chris Brown beating Rhianna and said "That is a lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak". This is generally considered hateful by the public and the UFC did what it felt was necessary to save face.

You can say you don't like something but you have to be careful of how you say it when other people are involved, especially marginalized social groups.