1-AD Prohormone

**phoenix44** · 08-10-2005, 01:26 PM

Hi everyone, I`m a bodybuilder from Spain and I have the possibility to buy this product to UK until stock last. I�m 30 years old, i have been working for 10 years, only with the usual supplements: whey protein, glutamine, creatine,thermogenics, natural supplements....

Now I`m wondering to try a new product, but I`ve read all the post (I think so) about SUPERDROL, ORASTAN, FINIGENX, ETC, and all the new prohormones alternatives and I really don`t know what to do, alternative prohormones works like prohormones without side effects? also i make research about 1-AD at forums and i notice people have several side effects.

Even the side effects of 1-AD: hair loss, acne, headache, is the best product to gain size and muscle? what about the health of liver?

Thanks to BB and all the people of the forums.

**salmon sausage** · 08-10-2005, 02:36 PM

Run **** Max Lmg And Prostanozol Together For 8 Weeks.. Best Prohormone Out On The Market..

**Jimmorrison** · 08-10-2005, 03:18 PM

i have gained 10lbs in 3 weeks of e...max
I have hade some libido loss and some lower back pumps but so far it has been worth it.

**PSKlifter** · 08-10-2005, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by salmon sausage

Run **** Max Lmg And Prostanozol Together For 8 Weeks.. Best Prohormone Out On The Market..

this is just ignorant........

please explain to the user that this is just an opinion and a very uneducated and misinformed one at that.

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by salmon sausage

Run **** Max Lmg And Prostanozol Together For 8 Weeks.. Best Prohormone Out On The Market..

WTF?!?!?!?! First you are 17!! And second you have NO IDEA WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!

**RepubCarrier** · 08-10-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by phoenix44

Hi everyone, I`m a bodybuilder from Spain and I have the possibility to buy this product to UK until stock last. I�m 30 years old, i have been working for 10 years, only with the usual supplements: whey protein, glutamine, creatine,thermogenics, natural supplements....

Now I`m wondering to try a new product, but I`ve read all the post (I think so) about SUPERDROL, ORASTAN, FINIGENX, ETC, and all the new prohormones alternatives and I really don`t know what to do, alternative prohormones works like prohormones without side effects? also i make research about 1-AD at forums and i notice people have several side effects.

Even the side effects of 1-AD: hair loss, acne, headache, is the best product to gain size and muscle? what about the health of liver?

Thanks to BB and all the people of the forums.

Can you get transdermal 4-ad or are you willing to inject test prop? A nice cycle could be had with prop and 1-AD...

anyway, 1-ad is not harsh on the liver. it can be problematic in regards to acne and hair loss if you a prone to it. I would recommend going with a "safe" cycle like prop+1-AD over methyls, which are just bad news in general. I only use them because they are legal, but if you are in Spain, then do a real cycle.

**m3ds** · 08-10-2005, 05:32 PM

1-AD is considered to be the "safest" ph that was made, but it's also the weakest. Correct me if I'm wrong. Usually people don't bother taking it unless you can at least stack it with 4-AD, but it has been taken alone. And the side effects do not even compare to those of Superdrol or any other prohormone "alternatives" that are out right now, superdrol is much worse. However some friends of mine swear by taking 1-AD they love the gains that they get.

Again, anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

1-AD is considered to be the "safest" ph that was made, but it's also the weakest. Correct me if I'm wrong. Usually people don't bother taking it unless you can at least stack it with 4-AD, but it has been taken alone. And the side effects do not even compare to those of Superdrol or any other prohormone "alternatives" that are out right now, superdrol is much worse. However some friends of mine swear by taking 1-AD they love the gains that they get.

Again, anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Your wrong.

**m3ds** · 08-10-2005, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by dtrain13

Your wrong.

About what part of what I said?

EDIT: And by safest/weakest of ph's I meant out of the likes of M1T

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

About what part of what I said?

EDIT: And by safest/weakest of ph's I meant out of the likes of M1T

Originally Posted by sam32465

1-AD is considered to be the "safest" ph that was made, but it's also the weakest.

**Mikey1** · 08-10-2005, 05:37 PM

1-AD is junk.....ive got a whole crap load of it sitting here......if your gonna use it at least stack it with something worthwhile.....or better yet just do a real cycle......much better results with even less sides

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 05:38 PM

M1T is not a prohormone it is a steroid.

**m3ds** · 08-10-2005, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by dtrain13

M1T is not a prohormone it is a steroid.

I'm not trying to be an ass b/c you are my idol BUT how was it sold as a prohormone back in the day then?

**quigs** · 08-10-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

About what part of what I said?

1AD is neither the weakest nor safest PH. There are certainly others that would be considered "weaker" as 1AD (1-test) is most definitely a potent steroid. As far as sides? It certainly has its side effects...the most prominent probably being lethargy.

I've done both a 1AD/4AD cycle and a superdrol cycle. While I did gain a few more pounds on the superdrol, I experienced much less VISIBLE side effects than what I had had on my 1AD/4AD. I didn't have blood work done, so I cant speak for my lipids, etc.

1AD should definitely not be taken lightly.

**m3ds** · 08-10-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by quigs

1AD is neither the weakest nor safest PH. There are certainly others that would be considered "weaker" as 1AD (1-test) is most definitely a potent steroid. As far as sides? It certainly has its side effects...the most prominent probably being lethargy.

I've done both a 1AD/4AD cycle and a superdrol cycle. While I did gain a few more pounds on the superdrol, I experienced much less VISIBLE side effects than what I had had on my 1AD/4AD. I didn't have blood work done, so I cant speak for my lipids, etc.

1AD should definitely not be taken lightly.

Just thinking about what I said I realize that there are weaker ph's like DHEA I didn't even think of. BUT, 1AD is 1-androstenedione or 1-androstenediol not 1-testosterone, correct?

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

I'm not trying to be an ass b/c you are my idol BUT how was it sold as a prohormone back in the day then?

It was sold as a prosteroid but lumped into the same catagory as prohormones.
prohormone=conversion to active compound (ie 1-ad, 4-ad, 1,4-ad etc.)
steroid/prosteroid=no conversion needed as it is active in it original form (ie M1t, SD, Ergomax, M4OHN, MDHT etc.)

**quigs** · 08-10-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by dtrain13

M1T is not a prohormone it is a steroid.

So is 1AD if you want to be technical about it. There's no such thing as a "Prohormone" its a made up term so we wouldnt have to call them what they are--steroids.

Technically, Testosterone is a "PH" because it converts to DHT. Just to put it into perspective...

**dtrain13** · 08-10-2005, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

Just thinking about what I said I realize that there are weaker ph's like DHEA I didn't even think of. BUT, 1AD is 1-androstenedione or 1-androstenediol not 1-testosterone, correct?

Correct. 1-AD is converted to 1-testosterone via an enzyme conversion.

**quigs** · 08-10-2005, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by sam32465

Just thinking about what I said I realize that there are weaker ph's like DHEA I didn't even think of. BUT, 1AD is 1-androstenedione or 1-androstenediol not 1-testosterone, correct?

Technically yes. In reality, no. Think of it as 1-test with high oral bioavailability.

**RepubCarrier** · 08-10-2005, 05:55 PM

1-T cyp would be nice with test cyp, actually.

**quigs** · 08-10-2005, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by RepubCarrier

1-T cyp would be nice with test cyp, actually.

Well, yeah. Thats what 1AD/4AD is trying to mimick.

**Gizmosbro2** · 08-10-2005, 07:02 PM

1-ad works crazy good

**PSKlifter** · 08-11-2005, 11:01 AM

1ad was revolutionary in its time. Far from the weakest. Think of all the bs andros that came before it. Granted its not a steroid such as m1t, dmt, sdrol, etc, but when compared to other true ph's of its time it has its place.

**Arctic-Cat** · 08-11-2005, 11:14 AM

True

**phoenix44** · 08-11-2005, 04:14 PM

Hey, thanks very much to all for the answers, but in the same line of my ignorance, you are talking about M1T, in the same UK`s web site where still available 1-AD I can buy this:is the same you are talking about? and is better, insn`t it. In the web there is no description of ingredients, only '5 mg M1T' and the photo is for guidance only.

Thanks again.

**PSKlifter** · 08-11-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by phoenix44

Hey, thanks very much to all for the answers, but in the same line of my ignorance, you are talking about M1T, in the same UK`s web site where still available 1-AD I can buy this:is the same you are talking about? and is better, insn`t it. In the web there is no description of ingredients, only '5 mg M1T' and the photo is for guidance only.

Thanks again.

m1t is a steroid. i would avoid using that at this point if i were you. definitely not ready for that step.

**quigs** · 08-11-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by PSKlifter

m1t is a steroid. i would avoid using that at this point if i were you. definitely not ready for that step.

I don't mean to be an ass...but did you read his first post? Guy's been training for 10 years and is 30yrs old. If anyone's ready for steroids its someone like him. Now, I won't disagree that he needs to do much more research but physically I see no problem with him making the jump...

**dtrain13** · 08-11-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by quigs

Now, I won't disagree that he needs to do much more research

I know psklifter and this was his point.^^^^^^^

**m3ds** · 08-11-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by quigs

I don't mean to be an ass...but did you read his first post? Guy's been training for 10 years and is 30yrs old. If anyone's ready for steroids its someone like him. Now, I won't disagree that he needs to do much more research but physically I see no problem with him making the jump...

I think he was saying he's not ready as far as knowledge goes, if you don't know enough about M1T you shouldn't be taking it, it will f*ck your body up bad

**PSKlifter** · 08-12-2005, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by quigs

I don't mean to be an ass...but did you read his first post? Guy's been training for 10 years and is 30yrs old. If anyone's ready for steroids its someone like him. Now, I won't disagree that he needs to do much more research but physically I see no problem with him making the jump...

experience wise, i am not arguing that fact. he would be an ideal canidate. however, his knowledge base alone, i would strongly disagree. not to mention, one might want to acclimate himself to the anabolic would with a weaker compound to begin with. I just dont see m1t being a logical first step.

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