+ specific body types that genetically predispositions them to being better at gymnastics.
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+ They DON'T worry about leg mass and strength much at all.
So they have great upper body development from their training, and hardly any legs, which would only hold them back, if developed proportionally.
And Bally put you right, genetics plays a huge part:
They are usually short, with light bone structure. Their wrist size is mostly ligament and tendon development, not heavy bone. Short arms improve leverages, long muscle bellies in the upper body help to maximize pushing and pulling strength on a small frame etc......
+ They DON'T worry about leg mass and strength much at all.
So they have great upper body development from their training, and hardly any legs, which would only hold them back, if developed proportionally.
And Bally put you right, genetics plays a huge part:
They are usually short, with light bone structure. Their wrist size is mostly ligament and tendon development, not heavy bone. Short arms improve leverages, long muscle bellies in the upper body help to maximize pushing and pulling strength on a small frame etc......
The reason why lots of top gymnasts are short is basically because short people have to travel less distance in there moves (summersalt for example), makes it easier to do so (if that makes any sense, can't explain it better).
But anyway, there upperbody strength has to be awesome, and I would love to know what kind of training they did. How they would progress in exercises/movements, trained for static and dynamic strength ect..
I would love to follow a routine like that for my upperbody for a while, and train lower with weights. I think that would be fun to do, keeps lifting interesting, and being able to do bodyweight feats can be fun as hell to show off
Most people can relate more to certain bodyweight feats compared to heavy weights trhown around! So being able to rep 20+ pullups, dips, handstand pushups, planches, muscle-ups ect, would be awesome to do
No, the reason top gymnasts are shorter is because the shorter you are the more relative strength potential you have. (relative strength: how much strength you have for how much you weigh)
I am doing a lot of ring and planche training at the moment and I tell you it is killing me. I feel I get an awesome workout but when you are 34 with no gymnastic experience, 6 foot 2 and around 200lbs you know the laws of physics and general leverage principles are going to bite you in the a$$. I enjoy it but progress is slow.
Will be interesting to see how it goes in the course of a year or so.
I am doing a lot of ring and planche training at the moment and I tell you it is killing me. I feel I get an awesome workout but when you are 34 with no gymnastic experience, 6 foot 2 and around 200lbs you know the laws of physics and general leverage principles are going to bite you in the a$$. I enjoy it but progress is slow.
Will be interesting to see how it goes in the course of a year or so.
Great, how did you start your plache training? And I plan on doing this for starting 2008, till 2009, to see what kind of progress I make and for fun
Need to adjust my room though, and find out how to progress in exercises..
I got my gymnastic rings from a site called ringstrength or ringtraining ( just google it )- I will check later. There is a forum there and links to training articles and tutorials.
I found a series of progressions to follow from there. I will look for a link for you later if you like.
I used to do MMA/ BJJ and on the forum I used to frequent one of the members did planche work so I looked into it. It is very humbling and quite unlike anything I have done. Planche progressions are a lot slower than the lever. I have seen progress so this is encouraging.
Whoever made the comment about gymnasts not having leg strength is completely wrong. In fact one of the places we have the most strength is our legs. I was a gymnast for about 11 years. I am not trying to develop a bodybuilder shape and it's quite different. Ive noticed that one of the easiest things for me to advance in has been my leg strength because of gymnastics. I have been steadily able to increase on squats and leg presses. It would be hard for a bodybuilder to train like a gymnast because gymnastics is all based on muscle that is built by lifting your own weight. You basically use your own body weight as a barbell. Gymnasts do an intense amount of training that centers completely around using your body as a weight.
Some things that could help you that I still do:
1. Core strenghth: Doing hanging leg lifts (legs down to toes touching the bars) and the same thing put touching to the side. It is an intense core workout and if you do it correctly, slowly with absolutely NO swing then you'll develop great core strenght.
2. Planches: These take a lot of core strength as well, but you can work towards it. Work up to it by popping into it and trying to hold. I could do at least a 10 second hold by the time I was 9 :-p.
3. Ab work: V holds and V ups. hollow rolls, hollow holds with weights, side hollow rolls and hollow holds...
Genetics Plays A Minor Role In The Body Composition Of A Gymnast Although It Adds To The Advantages, Most Gymnast Are Short Because The Began Their Training At An Early Age, Between The Ages Of 3 And 7 Are Extremely Important, Its At This Age That Your Body Adjust Itself And Makes Alterations To Suite Your Daily Activities And Will Be The Major Factor As To How You Are Composed In Adult Hood. Your Muscle And Bone Structure All Adjust To Compensate On The Stresses You Put On Them In The Gymnast Case Is, The Speed Of The Rotation Of The Body. As They Get Better At Tumbling They Get Faster At It And More Explosive, The Body Compensates By Compacting The Individual, And Also By Keeping Their Bone Structure Light And Flexible And Protecting It With Muscle Mass, The Same Goes For Basketball Players And Other Sport Practitioners. Sports Are Categorized Just Look At The Athletes And Compare Them With Each Other And How Long They Have Been Playing Their Game, You'll Find That They All Are Similar In A Physical Shape. Depending On The Sport...swimmers And Basketball Players Become Taller Than Average Because Their Sport Emphasizes On Stretching The Body Continuously, Rock Climbers And Boxers Have Longer Arms Than Average Because Their Sport Emphisizes On Reach...if You Look At The Olympians Parents 9 Times Out Of 10, Their Body Composition Is Completely Different Then Their Athletes...denoting Genetics Completely. Look At How Many Gymnast Are Extremely Shorter Than Their Parents, Look At How Many Swimmers Are Extremely Taller Than Their Parents...and So On. I?m Not Saying Its Going To Add Or Take Away Feet From Your Growth But It Will Add Or Take Inches That You Should Of Or Would Have Never Had.
The Best Way To Have A Gymnast Body, Their So Easy Way Around It!!!
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Those guys are pretty strong, muscular and ripped, does anyone how their workouts are like?
What's there training frequency, volume ect like? Though don't train for muscle, Yuri sure isn't lacking any, he's a beast!
IS SIMPLY TO START DOING GYMNASTICS, SOME THINGS YOU'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER IS YOUR AGE, TIME AND LEVEL OF COMMITMENT AVAILABLE, YOUR BODY WILL CHANGE IT SELF ON ITS OWN AND TURN IN TO THE GYMNAST BODY THAT ONLY YOU CAN DEVELOP ONCE YOU ADD THESE FACTORS IN. SO JOIN A GYM IN YOUR AREA. AND TELL THEM YOU WANT TO IMPROVE OVER ALL FLEXIBILITY AND AGILITY AND YOU'LL BE ALRIGHT.
IS SIMPLY TO START DOING GYMNASTICS, SOME THINGS YOU'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER IS YOUR AGE, TIME AND LEVEL OF COMMITMENT AVAILABLE, YOUR BODY WILL CHANGE IT SELF ON ITS OWN AND TURN IN TO THE GYMNAST BODY THAT ONLY YOU CAN DEVELOP ONCE YOU ADD THESE FACTORS IN. SO JOIN A GYM IN YOUR AREA. AND TELL THEM YOU WANT TO IMPROVE OVER ALL FLEXIBILITY AND AGILITY AND YOU'LL BE ALRIGHT.
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haha but seriously, ive never seen a gymnast train but i would imagine that even just practicing for gymnastics is a GREAT workout. and considering how top gymnasts have to be training at least 2-3 hours a day almost every day, i can see how they get good physiques (also, they always have to have low bf so that they are as light as possible)
as for a gymnasts shortness, i think alot of that has to come from alot of stress on bones at an early age.
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haha but seriously, ive never seen a gymnast train but i would imagine that even just practicing for gymnastics is a GREAT workout. and considering how top gymnasts have to be training at least 2-3 hours a day almost every day, i can see how they get good physiques (also, they always have to have low bf so that they are as light as possible)
as for a gymnasts shortness, i think alot of that has to come from alot of stress on bones at an early age.
lol actually many of the TOP gymnasts will practice40+ hours/week...weird huh?
And as for the gymnasts shortness thing, there ARE tall gymnasts out there. I'm 5'11", I have a friend who's elite who 6', his brother is elite I think and 6'2"...a guy on Oklahoma is 6'3"..bunches of other guys on college teams my height or 6 foot even.
You only see the shorter guys because being shorter gives you an advantage in the sport. The sport itself doesn't USUALLY stunt your growth (but could if you are weird). Some places around the world will actually accept/deny you based on body dimensions. I know in China at some schools it's commonplace for coaches to inspect the dimensions of kids before being admitted (Li Xiaopeng's school <-- gold medalist...they will turn away people if their arm/leg/torso proportionality isn't good, not kidding)
Anyway, one of the best gymnasts of all time, Alexei Nemov, was 5'9" or 5'10" and he won two all around golds. The "all gymnasts are short" thing is pretty much BS. Now WOMEN'S is another story..never heard of one in women's above 5'8", which is kinda tallish for a woman in general anyway
lol why does gymnastics have to be so feminine? like in that video the dude does some badass stuff, but then as soon as he finishes the cool move and lands, he like rolls over and does some gay pose like a male cheerleader or something. lol sorry if i offend any gymnasts but some of the stuff they do is cool and some makes me want to stop watching. I would probably love gymnastics if it was a little more manly
lol why does gymnastics have to be so feminine? like in that video the dude does some badass stuff, but then as soon as he finishes the cool move and lands, he like rolls over and does some gay pose like a male cheerleader or something. lol sorry if i offend any gymnasts but some of the stuff they do is cool and some makes me want to stop watching. I would probably love gymnastics if it was a little more manly
haha..the 6'3" guy i have to admit is probably the most femme male gymnast i've ever seen, honestly..you hardly ever actually see anybody that femme doing the ****, honestly.
Anyway, the first guy, Nemov, was named to "The Most Beautiful Men in the World" list in 1997. Women who don't even pay attention to the sport know who he is. Even my sister, who doesn't give a **** about the sport, knows who he is. So women don't even care, even if he was a little bit feminine They send him requests to take off his shirt all the time, it's messed up (although he's retired now). He had to have gotten a lot of women before he got married
And I have to admit, in college..my warmups consisted of like planche pushups and basic gymnastics **** in the stretch area at the regular student gym. I used to have multiple women talking to me and flirting with me almost every workout. That never happened when I was benching, squatting, etc. For what it's worth, women LOVE the ****, not kidding you. In my experience, every girl i've ever met that finds out I do gymnastics seems to like me even more after they find it out
Anyway, this is about average though..it's really not that feminine or anything.
Keep in mind that when you are doing dips and pull ups, you are doing the very basic work that they do. They however have increased the difficulty of these basics through leverage.
Some of these gymnasts have truly amazing upper body development. This is attributed to hours of body weight training exercises every day.
Many of the exercises that are advocated here mimic those of gymnasts. Pullups, chinups, and dips come to mind. Gymnasts maneuver their own body weight around in a myriad of ways pushing and pulling. It's no wonder their back, chest, shoulders, and arms are developed so well. They have to be. Body builders can learn a lot from gymnasts.
you should also mention how after finishing a career (which often is as early as early 20's), their joints and tendons are absolutely shot.
Gymnastics training is hell on the body
+ They DON'T worry about leg mass and strength much at all.
So they have great upper body development from their training, and hardly any legs, which would only hold them back, if developed proportionally.
And Bally put you right, genetics plays a huge part:
They are usually short, with light bone structure. Their wrist size is mostly ligament and tendon development, not heavy bone. Short arms improve leverages, long muscle bellies in the upper body help to maximize pushing and pulling strength on a small frame etc......
just to add to this they do a lot of single leg work - pistols etc. and explosive excercises like this.
you should also mention how after finishing a career (which often is as early as early 20's), their joints and tendons are absolutely shot.
Gymnastics training is hell on the body
(Im talking about top gymnasts here of course)
agree, my wife was a young gymnastics and has had to have complete knee rebuilds due to lack of joint stability at the age of 29.
you should also mention how after finishing a career (which often is as early as early 20's), their joints and tendons are absolutely shot.
Gymnastics training is hell on the body
(Im talking about top gymnasts here of course)
Yeah, can you imagine the torque and stress the shoulder joints would have to endure from many of those high flying maneuvers?
Orthopedically it can't be good in the long run. Also, The landings on the knees and ankles have to take their toll after a while. You're right. It's not a sport for older people.
However, we still can take the good elements of gymnastics and apply them to body building.
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