Really new to the whole scene and need some recommendations....

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 12:54 AM

Hi,
I just spent some money to get some real nice equipment so I can work out at home. I plan on jogging every morning and then working out after I get home from work. I am 6'2 and I weigh 228 pounds. I would like to lose some weight and gain muscle mass while toning up. I only have about $100 to spend and I was looking at Xenedrine and a Whey Protein based mixture and something else?. I am really not sure if those mix well and what else I can use to help get me results. I'd just like your opinion on the best things I can get to accomplish my task... I a little over $100 is ok for the time being. What else would be good to get in the future after I have some more money to spend.
Thank you for taking the time to help someone new,

Brian

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 01:10 AM

Suggestion

EAS Simply Whey
Xenadrine
Prolab's Glutamine
30 grams+100 free for around 25 bucks at Bodybuilding.com

This should cost you around 100 bucks.

**superspider** · 08-24-2002, 01:12 AM

yep

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 01:17 AM

$85, anything else that would help

Brian

**superspider** · 08-24-2002, 01:18 AM

uhhhh creapure creatine(prolab)!

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 01:20 AM

It said Glutamine and Creatine compete for receptors and shouldn't be taken at the same time?

QUOTE:
Glutamine should not be taken at the same time as creatine because they compete for receptors to be absorbed. Take glutamine pre-workout and creatine post-workout.
ENDQUOTE

Brian

**superspider** · 08-24-2002, 01:22 AM

pffffffff thats ****
i mix both it in my shake!it works well!

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 01:23 AM

Find a good multivitamin in the Cyberstore and you're set.

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 01:24 AM

Thank you 97LT1

Do I just keep this up every month or?

Brian

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by yourHEAD
Thank you 97LT1 Do I just keep this up every month or?

Brian

Use the whey and glutamine throught your cutting cycle. Never stop taking the multi. Stop Xenadrine use after one month. How long do you plan to diet?

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 01:36 AM

What is a cutting cycle? I quit eating red meat like over a year and a half ago. Recently I do eat chicken but that is about it. I do not eat junk food anymore and I don't eat fast food. My ultimate goal is to be trim and toned. I do not want to be extremely huge but I would like large well developed muscles and a toned appearance.

Brian

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 01:42 AM

Cutting means to lose weight. Like you want to do.

How much do you want to lose?
Or is it just an appearance matter.

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 01:45 AM

Well, I'd like to lose the weight and gain muscle mass. I realize that I might weigh more if I keep working out and gain muscle mass. I was just curious what stack or mixture of things would give me the best results and be safe to take together. It is more of an appearance issue, BUT I am also aiming to get large muscles with good definition and increased strength... if what I said is understandable at all

Brian

PS. Thank you for your time, I am REALLY new to this and the only things I know I learned in highschool 7 years ago, and that wasn't much.

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 01:57 AM

I was you once. I would help me if i was 97LT1.

Huh?

Anyway, the stack you have would benefit from some flaxseed oil. The more good fats in any diet, the better. CLA is a fav sup of mine as well. Tends to concentrate it's effects around midsection fat. Adding Guggulbolic from Snytrax is also a good choice. It's a non stimulating fat burner. Last on the fat burning tip is my ultimate fav, LIPODERM-Y. This is a topical fat loss solution that works well below 15 percent body fat. Use it on problem fat areas.

As far as stength and size supps goes, ONE, 1AD and Trenabol X are widely used and reccomended on this board.

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 02:16 AM

Do I take them all at the same time? Or a "cut" cycle then a strength/size cycle?

Brian

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 02:24 AM

The latter deals with the strength issue. In no way should you take ALL of them as a stack!

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 02:36 AM

So take the Whey/Xenedrine/Glutamine/Flax Seed/Guggulbolic/CLA or skip the Xenedrine/Whey/Glutamine and take the rest... I guess I just don't quite understand which one. I do see that one cycle could be the strength one. But I am still confused as to which for the cutting cycle.
Thank,

Brian

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 02:52 AM

Take this as your revised stack:

Xenadrine
Guggulbolic and MM4
Flaxseed oil
Glutamine
Whey protein
CLA
Multivitamin

Remember, you really only need to take Xenadrine/protein/glutamine to see results. A multivitamin should always be taken.

Your diet and cardio routines must be in order to see the maximum results of these sups.

**97LT1** · 08-24-2002, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by yourHEAD

PS. Thank you for your time, I am REALLY new to this and the only things I know I learned in highschool 7 years ago, and that wasn't much.

I have a twin brother named Brian.(We were named after the actor, Brian Keith, who started in the tv show,"Family Affair". He is my "brothers keeper" and best friend. So, i guess i'm partial to helping members named Brian.

Keith

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 03:17 AM

Well thank you very much! I'm ordering those today and I'm looking forward to starting those in addition to the jogging and weights. Sunday is always my day off though.

Thanks again!

Brian

**Colin** · 08-24-2002, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by yourHEAD
It said Glutamine and Creatine compete for receptors and shouldn't be taken at the same time?

QUOTE:
Glutamine should not be taken at the same time as creatine because they compete for receptors to be absorbed. Take glutamine pre-workout and creatine post-workout.
ENDQUOTE

Brian

Brian,
Can you please give me the address of the page where you got that qoute from?I am trying to find out once and for all if glutamine,creatine and whey compete for absorption.

Thanks a LOT,
Colin

**John Benz** · 08-24-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Colin
Brian, Can you please give me the address of the page where you got that qoute from?I am trying to find out once and for all if glutamine,creatine and whey compete for absorption. Thanks a LOT, Colin

Colin, it has been said a lot. That doesn't make it so. Most of us here take them together, as does Jay Cutler, Dorian Yates and other pros, at least according to their advice columns.

**yourHEAD** · 08-24-2002, 07:05 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclegain.htm

Check the glutamine section

Brian

**superspider** · 08-25-2002, 12:16 AM

yep it doesn't matter!
hey if you want better gains(or workouts) trie 2 gr glutamine before training + your eca stack!it helps a lot tough!
then a shake with creatine(5gr)+glutamine(10/5gr)!

**superspider** · 08-25-2002, 12:17 AM

(that shake after training)!

**Pairunoyd** · 08-25-2002, 01:14 AM

Glutamine seems to be really popular these days. I read somewhere, I think it was at www.brinkzone.com (will brink), that glutamine was only good for saving muscle mass if you were on a very low carb diet. So if you're eating only a couple hundred calories below maintenance and your macros are Pro35%-Carb40%-Fat25%, it wouldn't be of much benefit if any, correct?

**97LT1** · 08-25-2002, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by superspider
yep it doesn't matter!
hey if you want better gains(or workouts) trie 2 gr glutamine before training + your eca stack!it helps a lot tough!
then a shake with creatine(5gr)+glutamine(10/5gr)!

It would be better to use 10grams pre and 5 grams post.

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