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    Persuasive speech on marriage (reps)

    I'm giving a persuasive speech on Monday on why NOT to get married. I can think of endless reasons for men, but am having some trouble coming up with reasons for women not to get married.

    Also, if any of you have any good ideas in GENERAL (for both men and women) I'd love to hear 'em.
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    - no sex

    - no sex

    - as in communism, your money goes into the collective pool and somehow ceases to exist

    - the goverment is on her side in the event of divorce

    - a 20% national paternity fraud rate

    - a 50% national divorce rate

    - you have no friends

    - your needs come last, if at all

    - your opinion doesn't count
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    Well there really isn't a reason for women not to get married because there is no risk involved this world favors women 95% of the time in a divorce.

    The guy loses most his stuff, and has to pay child support..what a deal.

    I'm not getting married without a prenup..end of story.
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    a women maybe will not be able to high powered career, if they have a family,
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    visit nomarriage.com, you'll find plenty of reasons.
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    lol are u guys all going after girls that are bums without jobs/arent in college?

    Times have changed a little and both men and women make money. It averages out to men probably make more than women, but the gap is closing fast.

    divorce rate of 50% isnt surprising- when we do polls in this section and the vast majority of guys would rather be with a really hot chick with no personality than an average chick with an awesome personality. Most guys go for the wrong girls, get ****ed over, and wonder why... Its not hard to figure out which girls are the type to **** u over and which ones arent. Yet guys consistently go for the wrong ones... hmm.

    You likely have a better chance of having to pay child support if u dont get married than if u do. Many random hook-ups over your life will probably lead to a child eventually. Id rather risk getting a divorce....
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    Originally Posted by paranoidxe View Post
    Well there really isn't a reason for women not to get married because there is no risk involved this world favors women 95% of the time in a divorce.

    The guy loses most his stuff, and has to pay child support..what a deal.

    I'm not getting married without a prenup..end of story.
    I can see if u made over 500,000 a year and your wife didnt work... there could be issues. But the reality is there probably wont be more than a 10-20 thousand dollar difference in salaries between most husbands and wives, so its not like she will be leeching all your money.

    Do u make every girl u hook up with sign an agreement saying if she gets pregnant... you wont pay child support? doubt it. Why be paranoid about one and not the other?
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    IF...and that is a big IF...I do get married...I don't care how head over heels in love I am... I AM GETTING PRE-NUP DAMN IT... I talk to a lot of guys at the office who have just gotten married (age 23-25) and ask them if they got pre-nups and they all laugh and shake their head no...WTF?
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    Originally Posted by HeartBraykKid View Post
    IF...and that is a big IF...I do get married...I don't care how head over heels in love I am... I AM GETTING PRE-NUP DAMN IT... I talk to a lot of guys at the office who have just gotten married (age 23-25) and ask them if they got pre-nups and they all laugh and shake their head no...WTF?
    as i said before dude, find a girl that is equally driven as u are career wise. Dont go for a girl that works at mcdonalds, and this isnt 1930 where women dont work. Many women out there will be making close to what u make. Is a pre-nup really necessary/.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    Is a pre-nup really necessary/.
    Suckers like you who fall for that trap. Do you really have no ambitions in life? You have NO IDEA what you will be making in terms of money. Why even take that chance?!?!?

    You're probably not going to get in a car accident... is insurance REALLY necessary?
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    For men

    Courts AREN't in your favor

    Higher uncertainty about pariental status unless tested, yet having to claim a child fairly quickly and not being able to "un-claim" a child.

    High divorce rates.

    Most women actually FILE the divorces.

    Are expected to buy engagement ring etc etc


    For women


    They have to look at you.

    They can't sleep with a bunch of guys and girls without your permission.

    They have to look at you.

    They have to endure conversation with you.

    They have to make less money then you do, or have your kids before they can divorce and take most of your stuff.
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    Originally Posted by Captain Harris View Post
    For men:



    - no sex

    - no sex

    - as in communism, your money goes into the collective pool and somehow ceases to exist

    - the goverment is on her side in the event of divorce

    - a 20% national paternity fraud rate

    - a 50% national divorce rate

    - you have no friends

    - your needs come last, if at all

    - your opinion doesn't count

    x2 - at least wait until your 50 or 60 before you surrender your balls.
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    There is no real reason for me to get married.

    I am no-one's property therefore I will not take anyone's name. A lot of men won't like this (particularly judging by the responses I've seen to that very question on here ) but it's my name and I'm proud of it. If I had a really awful name, I might consider it, but then legally I can call myself anything I want anyway.

    There's actually no longer any advantage to getting married nowadays unless you have children, and then the 'advantage' is that the father is automatically next of kin. All the other rights relate to if you split up - who gets pensions, property etc, but that's easy enough to sort out without being married.

    As I intend to have no children, they won't need their father's name

    Weddings are hideous. All that trauma and expense, bickering families, feuds and fuss over who's invited, who sits where, who wears what? Just so two people can proclaim to the world they love each other? No thanks, I wouldn't be able to stand the interference.

    My own family are a bloody nightmare I don't want to legally inherit another one

    I'm not actually against marriage at all - I have no real feelings either way but it's just not for me.
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    Why Women Shouldn't Get Married
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    Any self-respecting women who even pretends to support the concept of equal rights should dismiss marriage in it's current form.

    The tradition of marriage goes back for many, many years; and from a very young age women are taught to embrace the idea of marriage. It seems perfect enough, a beautify dress, being center of attention, having a man profess his love, those are all good things, right? But what else does marriage say about women?

    The underlying concept behind marriage (and this is still reflected in our modern laws) is that women are inferior to men. A dowry, traditionally was an amount of money or gift paid to the husband, typically from the father of the bride. Why would a father pay another man to marry his daughter? Because women were a burden. The man relieving the father of a mouth to feed and providing for his daughter. The concept of a woman providing for herself...UNSPEAKABLE!

    It doesn't end at something as simple as a dowry. Traditionally, it is the bride's family that pays for the wedding. Why? Again, because the man was expected to foot the bill for his wife for the rest of their lives. In exchange, he'd get to have post-marital sex (yes prostitution), a baby-oven, and a house keeper. The concept of splitting a bill equally for a wedding...was again, UNHEARD OF, because very notion of a woman being equal to man was equally unheard of.

    The concept of 'no sex' before marriage; while less and less common in modern times, was one of the primary motivational factors in a couple getting married in the past. Many would argue that this is trading sex and sexual favors for a life-time of financial support....(ahem, hookers...).

    Marriage has historically been a way for women to be provided for, because no women could provide for herself. To get a man to take care of her, sex was provided and money was provided from the bride's father. People argued that marriage was needed for society and shunned women who had premarital sex. The fear was that, without strong social pressure to get married, men would simply sleep with sluts and you'd have single, unwed mothers who can't possibly take care of themselves.

    Because of this fear, marriage has become a central part of our society. At the very center of this tradition, is the idea that women are weak, inferior, and need to be taken care of. Our laws reflect this. The concept of alimony shows this. Two equal people who lived together and then split up (like two men) both would simply go their separate ways. But when a man marries a woman, he is taking on the responsibility of providing for her (because she is weak and can't take care of herself). After a divorce, alimony is legal means of taking money from one person, giving it to another who can not provide for themselves, until that other person finds another spouse to provide for them. Don't believe for a second that alimony was created for any reason other than the idea that women are unable to support themselves. I challenge anyone to provide any statistics that suggest men receive alimony as often as women. You can't, because they don't.

    In conclusion, marriage is legally stacked in favor of women because the law feels it necessary to protect women. I can only speculate why modern women would support this institution. Perhaps women only want equal rights when it benefits them? I would expect for strong feminists groups to speak out against this sexist and archaic thinking; but, it seems they'd rather argue that female firefighters should have to carry less weight than a man (wait a second, that's not equal) than object to sexist laws when it benefits them.

    In today's modern society no women should support marriage; unless she truly feels that women are inferior to men, or if she's a money grubbing whore who will exploit the legal system.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    lol are u guys all going after girls that are bums without jobs/arent in college?

    Times have changed a little and both men and women make money. It averages out to men probably make more than women, but the gap is closing fast.

    divorce rate of 50% isnt surprising- when we do polls in this section and the vast majority of guys would rather be with a really hot chick with no personality than an average chick with an awesome personality. Most guys go for the wrong girls, get ****ed over, and wonder why... Its not hard to figure out which girls are the type to **** u over and which ones arent. Yet guys consistently go for the wrong ones... hmm.

    You likely have a better chance of having to pay child support if u dont get married than if u do. Many random hook-ups over your life will probably lead to a child eventually. Id rather risk getting a divorce....
    Women on average work less hours than men. They are significantly less likely to ask for a raise or negotiate their salaries. They also gravitate to low paying fields.

    In something like 75% of marriages the guy makes more money than the woman.

    In the event of children, women are far more likely to get custody of the children (and child support).

    My girlfriend has her undergraduate degree from college. She makes 1/3 of what I do. She majored in 'Horsey Science' while I majored in 'Computer Science'. She's not stupid, but she choose a field where there isn't any money, because she likes horses. Women are far more likely to do crap like that, then men.

    Even if your GF makes 60k and you make 80k. If you split everything 50/50 and you save that extra 20k a year....after taxes, you save an extra 15k a year. Stick it in an investment that earns you 6%. After 10 years of marriage, you've got 209k. But you earned it while married, so the law says half of it hers. She walks away with 104k dollars of your money.

    On the other hand, you could spend that extra 15k and have a nicer place to life, nicer things to own. But - oh noes - she grows accustom to a lifestyle she can't afford....and that means....alimony!

    Now you get to write her a check each month for however much some judge decides, until another man comes along to take care of her.
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