I want to know if I am the only one that thinks THE V-DIET IS CRAZY!!!

[reefpicker]

Guys, you know I NEVER start a thread here, and I have rarely stired up controversy, but OMG what is this diet????????

Honestly, it worries me that people will take it, "modify" it, and then end up in a hospital somewhere!!

This diet works. But, IMO it most have grave physiological consequences!

Is it me??? Am I not "open-minded"?????

Anyone has positive testimonials??? any negative ones????

How long has this diet been around????? What do pro's think about it???

Astronauts do have a sort of liquid diet, so I guess it cant be that bad, but this v-diet is so BORING.... SAME THING over and over again...

I would not survive this diet! LMAO I would not!!!

I get tired of shakes sometimes, but this is just whey+water and whey+milk

Sounds awfully tiresome to me!



All sorts of comments are welcome in this thread. Negative or positive. In favor or against. i would prefer testimonials but with specifics.. how long did u dieted? how much weight lost? reached a plateau? do you eliminated fat? did it affect your GI in any negative way?

[-Aaron-]

Need attention much?

[matthor]

i agree. I find the whole thing pretty retarded.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by matthor

i agree. I find the whole thing pretty retarded.

Of course you do.

[matthor]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Of course you do.

i dont see the point in drinking so many shakes. Its not hard to eat meals of comparable caloric/macro value and actually be eating a meal. Not only would you be getting a far better amino profile by varying your sources, you'd also be actually eating

[Sibrek]

Lazy, easy way out, IMO. No different than 30 day grapejuice fasts, maple syrup diets, the "hollywood cookie diet, slimfast, etc. Slimfast actually makes a little more sense because you only starve yourself 2/3 of the day and then you eat something.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by matthor

i dont see the point in drinking so many shakes. Its not hard to eat meals of comparable caloric/macro value and actually be eating a meal. Not only would you be getting a far better amino profile by varying your sources, you'd also be actually eating

Good point, but the only difference with the V-Diet and actually eating is the thermic effect of food. You could argue the food would be a bit more "satisfying" but that's all relative.

Originally Posted by Sibrek

Lazy, easy way out, IMO. No different than 30 day grapejuice fasts, maple syrup diets, the "hollywood cookie diet, slimfast, etc. Slimfast actually makes a little more sense because you only starve yourself 2/3 of the day and then you eat something.

Slimfast worked, well too. As for your ridiculous "Lazy, easy way out" comment, I guess I'm lazy.

Edit: This is from a guy who said I'm not opened to new ideas.

[Duke309]

Originally Posted by matthor

i dont see the point in drinking so many shakes. Its not hard to eat meals of comparable caloric/macro value and actually be eating a meal. Not only would you be getting a far better amino profile by varying your sources, you'd also be actually eating

I don't see the point either. Is it really that hard to cook up some real, nutritious food?

[Sibrek]

I'd have the same thing against a diet that consists of 1300 calories of protein from whole foods...There's no need for it. It can not be healthy. And every time I see someone question you in the thread for it, you call them a troll...

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by Sibrek

I'd have the same thing against a diet that consists of 1300 calories of protein from whole foods...There's no need for it. It can not be healthy. And every time I see someone question you in the thread for it, you call them a troll...

I did that to the OP, why? Simply because he's trying to persuade people from doing it... Thus by definition, trolling. It's a question and answer thread, not a debate thread.

[Sibrek]

Really? I don't think that's trolling by definition.

Why not discuss the velocity diet in the velocity diet thread? Maybe you could ask a thread to relabel your thread "Velocity diet FAQ for those who are doing it or set on doing it" and then we can have a separate thread for the "debate", but as of now you're being as much of a troll by calling them trolls

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by Sibrek

Really? I don't think that's trolling by definition.

Why not discuss the velocity diet in the velocity diet thread? Maybe you could ask a thread to relabel your thread "Velocity diet FAQ for those who are doing it or set on doing it" and then we can have a separate thread for the "debate", but as of now you're being as much of a troll by calling them trolls

Here we go with a two-hour debate with you Sibrek...

The problem is, the OP never read any part of the thread before he started passing judgments. Not looking at successful people who've done it, the benefits of it, but fixated on one point and that was the calorie count. Then, only to come to the nutrition section where people refuse to accept new ideas. You know, the same thing you whined to me about.

People here follow a few studies like gold. Look at all the crap people believe to empirically true, when it's usually single/double blind placebo studies that are garbage to say the least; like the whole milk concept. Point is, you and majority of the people here refuse to look at new ideas and fixate on one nutrition plan, 40/40/20, and say that's the only thing that works. In reality, the only difference between this diet is whole foods have a thermic effect, where as the V-Diet has little. You're still getting enough fiber, enough vitamins with your multi, and obviously enough protein. This is no different that and a damn Low-Carb diet. It's simple science.

Call me a troll, I don't really care. My point is:

Is this diet effective? Yes. Is it safe? Depends.

[LayzieBone085]

Originally Posted by reefpicker

Guys, you know I NEVER start a thread here, and I have rarely stired up controversy, but OMG what is this diet????????

Honestly, it worries me that people will take it, "modify" it, and then end up in a hospital somewhere!!

This diet works. But, IMO it most have grave physiological consequences!

Is it me??? Am I not "open-minded"?????

Anyone has positive testimonials??? any negative ones????

How long has this diet been around????? What do pro's think about it???

Astronauts do have a sort of liquid diet, so I guess it cant be that bad, but this v-diet is so BORING.... SAME THING over and over again...

I would not survive this diet! LMAO I would not!!!

I get tired of shakes sometimes, but this is just whey+water and whey+milk

Sounds awfully tiresome to me!



All sorts of comments are welcome in this thread. Negative or positive. In favor or against. i would prefer testimonials but with specifics.. how long did u dieted? how much weight lost? reached a plateau? do you eliminated fat? did it affect your GI in any negative way?

are u just crying for attnetion or am i missing something?
read other v-diet threads mostly all of the questions are anwserd.. ive done something quite similiar and i lost quite a bit of weight.. about 50 lbs.. and it elimtinated about 10% BF.. and no it dindt effect my GI at all

[Sibrek]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Here we go with a two-hour debate with you Sibrek...

The problem is, the OP never read any part of the thread before he started passing judgments. Not looking at successful people who've done it, the benefits of it, but fixated on one point and that was the calorie count. Then, only to come to the nutrition section where people refuse to accept new ideas. You know, the same thing you whined to me about.

People here follow a few studies like gold. Look at all the crap people believe to empirically true, when it's usually single/double blind placebo studies that are garbage to say the least; like the whole milk concept. Point is, you and majority of the people here refuse to look at new ideas and fixate on one nutrition plan, 40/40/20, and say that's the only thing that works. In reality, the only difference between this diet is whole foods have a thermic effect, where as the V-Diet has little. You're still getting enough fiber, enough vitamins with your multi, and obviously enough protein. This is no different that and a damn Low-Carb diet. It's simple science.

Call me a troll, I don't really care. My point is:

Is this diet effective? Yes. Is it safe? Depends.

Haha don't group me with these people. I'm not for 40/40/20, thermic effect, etc. My main argument against this diet is the lack of calories. (Ignoring the fact that you're not learning how to eat properly, which is obviously the causes of many people in the LF section being overweight in the first place)

Has anyone ever posted failed attempts at the diet? Probably not because they feel too embarrassed or don't want to look like they ****ed up...

By the way, some people think vitamins in food are not absorbed as easily as vitamins from natural sources, but IDK much about that at all.
For the record, I'm against low-carb diets too...but at least they promote a high % of fat calories.

[alan aragon]

I've spoken with a dude who tried this diet, & he ended up peeing out of his A alot. Powerful butt squirts.

[CF10]

Originally Posted by alan aragon

I've spoken with a dude who tried this diet, & he ended up peeing out of his A alot. Powerful butt squirts.

So the velocity part is describing the speed of the explosive **** bursts it gives you, I see now.

[blai4754]

Originally Posted by CF10

So the velocity part is describing the speed of the explosive **** bursts it gives you, I see now.

lmao.

[justanothagirl]

i agree its a stupid diet. i mean it probably does work, and from what ive heard it works well for keeping mass as well. but theres better ways of doing it and im pretty sure you're hurting yourself doing this somehow.

[blai4754]

Originally Posted by justanothagirl

i agree its a stupid diet. i mean it probably does work, and from what ive heard it works well for keeping mass as well. but theres better ways of doing it and im pretty sure you're hurting yourself doing this somehow.

the part i don't get is ppl slowly eat themselves fat with junk and then want to proceed with a quick and easy fat loss diet so they look at the v-diet and go hey! its easy, i don't have to cook, i don't have to count my macros and calories in-depth. If you can eat yourself fat, im sure you can eat yourself healthy.

Not saying it does not work but there are better ways.

[PatMac]

How is this a cry for attention? He's asking for people's opinions..

Would I ever do it? Absolutely not, I'd rather actually eat

Do I think its stupid? Maybe but as with everything here if people want to do it go ahead, its their bodies so why do people care so much? Don't like it, don't do it.

[matthor]

will a diet that massively reduces calories let me lose weight?

ummmm - yes

[reefpicker]

Originally Posted by alan aragon

I've spoken with a dude who tried this diet, & he ended up peeing out of his A alot. Powerful butt squirts.

LMAO

Is this true?

[IraHays]

V-diet?

Link to this madness please.

[grapemaster]

Originally Posted by matthor

will a diet that massively reduces calories let me lose weight?

ummmm - yes

and recommends taking E/C stack or other semi potent stims, as optimal.

[matthor]

Originally Posted by grapemaster

and recommends taking E/C stack or other semi potent stims, as optimal.

lol

[reefpicker]

This seems to be where it comes from:
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....le=05-009-diet

This is the guy who developed or promotes it there:
Chris Shugart - The assistant editor of T-nation and a major contributor. Currently most notable for the Velocity Diet.
(got this from wikipedia)



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Interstingly, trying to get more info about the diet, I found the following study that seems to suggest the V-diet is a glorified liquid diet that has been around for ages... And it also hints that it can have the YO-YO effect that I suspected....

A comparison of two very-low-calorie diets: protein-sparing-modified fast versus protein-formula-liquid diet
TA Wadden, AJ Stunkard, KD Brownell and SC Day


This study investigated the acceptability of two very-low-calorie diets in 16 moderately overweight persons participating in a weight reduction program. Subjects were prescribed a 1000-1200 kcal balanced diet the first month and asked to complete appetite and mood scales on a weekly basis. They were then randomly assigned to either a protein-sparing- modified fast (PSMF) or a protein-formula-liquid diet, each of which provided about 400 kcal daily. Analysis of the appetite data showed that PSMF subjects reported significantly less hunger and preoccupation with eating than did liquid diet subjects during 2 of the 4 weeks on a very-low-calorie diet. Subjects in both conditions reported significant reductions in anxiety. Results are discussed in terms of possible advantages of PSMF.



From this website:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/3/533

The article is from 1985

[Basil08]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Need attention much?

Why are you wasting your time with those that have a dogmatic, narrow-minded view of nutrition?

[-Aaron-]

A lot of not knowing what they hell they are talking about in this thread...

Basil, it's no big deal bro. I live to debate, argue, etc...

Edit: A lot of kissing Alans ass here too.

[IronAbrams]

Originally Posted by reefpicker

This seems to be where it comes from:
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....le=05-009-diet

This is the guy who developed or promotes it there:
Chris Shugart - The assistant editor of T-nation and a major contributor. Currently most notable for the Velocity Diet.
(got this from wikipedia)



--------------

Interstingly, trying to get more info about the diet, I found the following study that seems to suggest the V-diet is a glorified liquid diet that has been around for ages... And it also hints that it can have the YO-YO effect that I suspected....

A comparison of two very-low-calorie diets: protein-sparing-modified fast versus protein-formula-liquid diet
TA Wadden, AJ Stunkard, KD Brownell and SC Day


This study investigated the acceptability of two very-low-calorie diets in 16 moderately overweight persons participating in a weight reduction program. Subjects were prescribed a 1000-1200 kcal balanced diet the first month and asked to complete appetite and mood scales on a weekly basis. They were then randomly assigned to either a protein-sparing- modified fast (PSMF) or a protein-formula-liquid diet, each of which provided about 400 kcal daily. Analysis of the appetite data showed that PSMF subjects reported significantly less hunger and preoccupation with eating than did liquid diet subjects during 2 of the 4 weeks on a very-low-calorie diet. Subjects in both conditions reported significant reductions in anxiety. Results are discussed in terms of possible advantages of PSMF.



From this website:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/3/533

The article is from 1985

Do you have access to the entire study? Just curious, as the V-diet relies a lot on flax seed which has essential fiber and Omega 3s that most liquid diets lack.

[reefpicker]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

A lot of not knowing what they hell they are talking about in this thread...

Basil, it's no big deal bro. I live to debate, argue, etc...

Edit: A lot of kissing Alans ass here too.

Alan is not just respected by us here at the Nutrition forum. He is a well respected PT and sports nutritionist. He has written a book, articles, and has given quiet a few talks if I am not mistaken.

I still want to see the answers to those questions that I posted. You do have a Q&A thread but ppl here are not familiar with it and it is mostly a Q&A

I saw your progress pics and you really have lost a lot of weight, but my point about the possibility of this becoming a yo-yo diet is still there....

You could take our concerns here and make a FAQ of how you think you can address those concerns....

I have said many times, I completely see how this diet works and how it can work. But what I want to see is long-term testimonials.

You have to understand that I am trying to provide a counter-point here. I do not want ppl to go all crazy about this diet, thinking "OMG this is IT, everyone is doing it", when in reality most of us here (as I have now realized), frown upon it and are doubtful about its long-term success.

This is nothing personal against you, Aaron. You have made great progress and I honestly whish you success!! But, I still disagree about you having shown to us that this is a good long-term alternative to weight loss.

Remember, there are a lot of ppl reading this discussions. We try to give the most responsible advice we can.